RedCafe All-Time Top-30 | Forwards | Results

[Synco]

1	Pelé	819
2	Lionel Messi	681
3	Cristiano Ronaldo	511
4	Alfredo Di Stéfano	508
5	Johan Cruijff	492
6	Ferenc Puskás	429
7	Eusébio	421
8	Roberto Baggio	368
	Ronaldinho	368
10	Ruud Gullit	346
11	Karl-Heinz Rummenigge	336
12	Rivaldo	311
13	Hristo Stoichkov	274
14	Thierry Henry	263
15	Oleg Blokhin	237
16	Dennis Bergkamp	156
17	Raúl	122
18	Francesco Totti	115
19	Zbigniew Boniek	113
20	Kevin Keegan	105
21	Omar Sívori	103
	Kenny Dalglish	103
23	Enzo Francescoli	99
24	Eric Cantona	95
25	Flórián Albert	91
26	Alessandro Del Piero	89
27	José Manuel Moreno	87
28	Tostão	85
29	Mario Kempes	79
30	Nándor Hidegkuti	73
31	László Kubala	72
32	Zizinho	56
33	Jairzinho	54
34	Dejan Savićević	48
	Neymar	48
36	Guiseppe Meazza	46
	Thomas Müller	46
38	Héctor Scarone	40
39	Fritz Walter	34
40	Allan Simonsen	32
41	Kylian Mbappé	24
42	Adolfo Pedernera	22
43	György Sárosi	19
	Mohamed Salah	19
45	Gianfranco Zola	16
46	Carlos Tévez	14
47	Jupp Heynckes	13
48	Matthias Sindelar	12
	Gareth Bale	12
50	Ole Gunnar Solskjaer	9
	Dimitar Berbatov	9
52	Bernard Vukas	8
53	Sadio Mané	7
54	Pedro Rocha	5
55	Bebeto	3
	Predrag Mijatović	3

Spoiler: ORIGINAL OP

Post your list of the 30 greatest forwards of all time. This thread will be open until July 4th (unless we decide to extend the vote).

The remaining players have been grouped into three positions*. Please use the middle column for voting in this thread:

Spoiler

Wingers/Wide Mfs​	Forwards​	Strikers​
Figo​	Pelé​	G. Müller​
Beckham​	Messi​	Luis Ronaldo​
Best​	Cruyff​	van Basten​
Giggs​	Cristiano​	Romario​
Matthews​	Ronaldinho​	Seeler​
Finney​	Eusébio​	Law​
Garrincha​	Puskás​	Elkjær​
Overmars​	Di Stéfano​	Suarez​
Keizer​	Blokhin​	Kocsis​
Džajić​	Rummenigge​	Greaves​
Nedvěd​	Gullit​	Nordahl​
Rensenbrink​	Jairzinho​	Batistuta​
Rahn​	Kubala​	Shevchenko​
Corso​	F. Walter​	Bican​
Grabowski​	Rivaldo​	Fontaine​
Rep​	Moreno​	Deak​
Lato​	Zizinho​	Vava​
Gadocha​	Pedernera​	Inzaghi​
Johnstone​	Hidegkuti​	Streich​
Robben​	Sívori​	Villa​
Ribery​	Rocha​	Larsson​
Conti​	Savicevic​	Ademir​
Causio​	Simonsen​	Erico​
Czibor​	T. Müller​	Klinsmann​
Julinho​	Ivanov​	Piola​
Gento​	Arshavin​	Riva​
Hamrin​	Hoeneß​	Charles​
Pepe​	Baggio​	van Nistelrooy​
Zé Roberto​	Henry​	Papin​
Amancio​	F. Albert​	H. Sanchez​
Littbarski​	Neymar​	Lewandowski​
Barnes​	Stoichkov​	Rooney​
Pires​	Bergkamp​	Weah​
Futre​	Bene​	Lineker​
Di Maria​	Kempes​	Völler​
Joya​	Del Piero​	Eto'o​
Cubilla​	Totti​	Spencer​
B. Laudrup​	Griezmann​	Drogba​
Donadoni​	Salah​	Careca​
Ginola​	Mané​	Shearer​
Ghiggia​	Bale​	Vieri​
Moulijin​	Streltsov​	Agüero​
Waddle​	Heynckes​	Torres​
Chislenko​	Francescoli​	Rush​
Jair​	Keegan​	Trezeguet​
​	Dalglish​	Crespo​
​	Boniek​	Rossi​
​	Vukas​	Krankl​
​	Van Himst​	Kluivert​
​	Zola​	​
​	Tostão​	​
​	Raúl​	​
​	Bebeto​	​
​	Tevez​	​

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Please regard the following rules:

• You can post less than 30 names, but not more. Minimum list size is 10 players.
• Players included in the other positional shortlists (including earlier ones for other positions*) are ineligible for this vote. Unlisted players can be included if they fit the position. You can also name missing players in the discussion thread.
• Please only include players with at least one season after the 1950 World Cup. (Wingers & forwards shortlists are already vetted accordingly, strikers will be too.)

Lists should be posted in this format:

1. J. O'Shea
2. P. Jones
3. etc.

All discussion goes into this thread: http://www.redcafe.net/threads/redcafes-top-20-by-position.448431/

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* you can find all previous positional votes here and here.

 

[paulscholes18]

1 Eusebio
2 C. Ronaldo
3 L. Messi
4 Pele
5 J. Cruyff
6 Di Stefano
7 Ronaldinho
8 King Eric
9 Del Piero
10 R. Baggio
11 Di Stefano
12 Puskas
13 R. Gullit
14 Rivaldo
15 T. Henry
16 Neymar
17 K. Daglish
18 K. Keegan
19 K. Mbappe
20 G. Bale
21 M. Salah
22 F. Totti
23 D. Bergkamp
24 K-H Rummenigge
25 M. Kempes
26 Zizinho
27 C. Tevez
28 G. Zola

 

[BlackShark_80]

1. Pele
2. L. Messi
3. J. Cruyff
4. A. Di Stefano
5. C. Ronaldo
6. F. Puskas
7. Eusebio
8. J. Moreno
9. K. Rummenigge
10. R. Baggio
11. Rivaldo
12. L. Kubala
13. T. Henry
14. O. Sivori
15. F. Walter
16. F. Albert
17. H. Stoichkov
18. N. Hidegkuti
19. D. Bergkamp
20. F. Totti

 

[Isotope]

1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Di Stefano
4. Ronaldo
5. Cruyff
6. Eusebio
7. R. Baggio
8. Puskas
9. Ronaldinho
10. Rummenigge
11. Rivaldo
12. Blokhin
13. Stoichkov
14. Gullit
15. Francescoli
16. F. Albert
17. Keegan
18. Neymar
19. Raul
20. Totti
21. Del Piero
22. T. Muller
23. Bergkamp

 

[Invictus]

1. Pelé
2. Lionel Messi
3. Alfredo Di Stéfano
4. Cristiano Ronaldo
5. Johan Cruyff
6. Ferenc Puskás
7. Giuseppe Meazza
8. Eusébio
9. Roberto Baggio
10. Ronaldinho Gaúcho
11. Ruud Gullit
12. Héctor Scarone
13. Zizinho
14. José Manuel Moreno
15. Rivaldo
16. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge
17. Omar Sívori
18. Hristo Stoichkov
19. Oleg Blokhin
20. Thierry Henry
21. György Sárosi
22. Fritz Walter
23. Matthias Sindelar
24. Dennis Bergkamp
25. Enzo Francescoli
26. László Kubala
27. Francesco Totti
28. Raúl González Blanco
29. Nándor Hidegkuti
30. Mario Kempes

 

[harms]

1. Pelé
2. L. Messi
3. A. Di Stéfano
4. Cristiano Ronaldo
5. J. Cruyff
6. F. Puskás
7. R. Gullit
8. K.-H. Rummenigge
9. Eusébio
10. Ronaldinho
11. R. Baggio
12. Rivaldo
13. T. Henry
14. O. Sívori
15. O. Blokhin
16. H. Stoichkov
17. Raúl
18. M. Kempes
19. D. Bergkamp
20. F. Totti
21. D. Savićević
22. A. Del Piero
23. K. Keegan
24. E. Francescoli
25. Z. Boniek
26. E. Cantona
27. K. Dalglish
28. F. Albert
29. L. Kubala
30. N. Hidegkuti

 

[Physiocrat]

@Invictus Zico was on the 10s list

 

[Šjor Bepo]

1. Messi
2. Pele
3. Di Stefano
4. Cruyff
5. Ronaldo
6. Puskas
7. Gullit
8. Rummenigge
9. Eusebio
10. Ronaldinho
11. Baggio
12. Rivaldo
13. Stoichkov
14. Blokhin
15. Henry
16. T. Muller
17. Tostao
18. Hidegkuti
19. Bergkamp
20. Mbappe
21. Savicevic
22. Dalglish
23. Boniek
24. Mane
25. Totti
26. Albert
27. Sivori
28. Mijatovic
29. Tevez
30. Keegan

 

[Gio]

1. Messi
2. Pele
3. C. Ronaldo
4. Cruyff
5. Di Stefano
6. Eusebio
7. Puskas
8. Rivaldo
9. Ronaldinho
10. Baggio
11. Gullit
12. Rummenigge
13. Henry
14. Stoichkov
15. Moreno
16. Zizinho
17. Blokhin
18. Albert
19. Dalglish
20. Raul
21. Kempes
22. Neymar
23. Bergkamp
24. Hidegkuti
25. Sivori
26. Keegan
27. Tostao
28. Totti
29. Francescoli
30. Del Piero

 

[2mufc0]

1. Pelé
2. Ronaldo
3. ADS
4. Cruyff
5. Messi
6. Eusebio
7. Baggio
8. Ronaldinho
9. Gullit
10. Rummenigge
11. Puskas
12. Henry
13. Stoichkov
14. Cantona
15. Rooney
16. Rivaldo
17. Blokhin
18. Jairzinho
19. Bergkamp
20. Del Piero
21. Boniek
22. Raul
23. Solskjær
24. Tostao
25. Tevez
26. Totti
27. Kempes
28. Keegan
29. Bebeto

 

[berbasloth4]

1. C. Ronaldo
2. Messi
3.Cruyff
4. pele
5 . Di stefano
6. ronaldinho
7. puskas
8. henry
9. Cantona
10. Bergkamp
11. Guillt
12. Baggio
13. rooney
14. rumminge
15. dalglish
16. larsson
17. keegan
18. stoichkov
19. rivaldo
20. Boniek
21. del piero
22. kempes
23. Zola
24. berbatov
25.muller
26. simonsen
27. salah
28. albert
29. francescoli
30. totti

 

[Synco]

1. Pelé
2. Messi
3. Di Stéfano
4. Cruijff
5. Puskás
6. C. Ronaldo
7. Eusébio
8. Gullit
9. Baggio
10. Rivaldo
11. Rummenigge
12. Ronaldinho
13. Kubala
14. Stoichkov
15. Blokhin
16. Sívori
17. Jairzinho
18. Henry
19. Albert
20. Raúl
21. Walter
22. Neymar
23. Bergkamp
24. Totti
25. Boniek
26. Keegan
27. Hidegkuti
28. Dalglish
29. Tostão
30. Del Piero

Moreno, Zizinho, Pedernera, Wilkes should probably be in, but can't honestly rank them.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I'll do this wed or thu.


Neymar and Salah!

 

[Enigma_87]

1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Cruyff
4. ADS
5. C. Ronaldo
6. Ronaldinho
7. Eusebio
8. Puskas
9. Rummenigge
10. Henry
11. Baggio
12. Rivaldo
13. Gullit
14. Stoichkov
15. Blokhin
16. Boniek
17. Del Piero
18. Raul
19. Sivori
20. Bergkamp
21. Kubala
22. Keegan
23. Tostao
24. Dalglish
25. Totti
26. Savecivic
27. Kempes
28. Francescoli
29. Zola
30. T.Muller

 

[Joga Bonito]

1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Di Stefano
4. Cruyff
5. Puskas
6. C. Ronaldo
7. Baggio
8. Eusebio
9. Rummenigge
10. Rivaldo
11. Ronaldinho
12. Gullit
13. Blokhin
14. Stoichkov
15. Henry
16. Tostao
17. Kempes
18. Raul
19. Savicevic
20. Totti
21. Dalglish
22. Simonsen
23. Del Piero
24. T. Müller
25. Bergkamp
26. Neymar
27. Boniek
28. Albert
29. Hidegkuti
30. Sivori

 

[Physiocrat]

1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Di Stefano
4. Cruyff
5. Puskas
6. C. Ronaldo
7. Eusebio
8. Gullit
9. Ronaldinho
10. Rivaldo
11. Baggio
12. Blokhin
13. Stoichkov
14. Rummenigge
15. Albert
16. Tostao
17. Sivori
18. Henry
19. Totti
20. Raul
21. Cantona

It become very much of a toss up from 16th place downwards

 

[Michaelf7777777]

1. Pelé
2. Alfredo Di Stéfano
3. Lionel Messi
4. Johan Cruyff
5. Cristiano Ronaldo
6. Eusébio
7. Ferenc Puskás
8. Ruud Gullit
9. Roberto Baggio
10. Ronaldinho
11. Hristo Stoichkov
12. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge
13. Oleg Blokhin
14. Enzo Francescoli
15. Rivaldo
16. José Manuel Moreno
17. Zbigniew Boniek
18. Jupp Heynckes
19. Thierry Henry
20. Adolfo Pedernera
21. Allan Simonsen
22. Zizinho
23. Mario Kempes
24. Kevin Keegan
25. Omar Sívori
26. Thomas Müller
27. Flórián Albert
28. Pedro Rocha
29. Mohamed Salah
30. László Kubala

 

[Jim Beam]

1. Pelé
2. Lionel Messi
3. Alfredo di Stefano
4. Cristiano Ronaldo
5. Johan Cruyff
6. Ferenc Puskás
7. Eusébio
8. Ruud Gullit
9. Ronaldinho
10. Roberto Baggio
11. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge
12. Oleg Blokhin
13. Hristo Stoichkov
14. Rivaldo
15. Thierry Henry
16. Enzo Francescoli
17. Nandor Hidegkuti
18. Tostao
19. Flórián Albert
20. Francesco Totti
21. Kenny Dalglish
22. Raul
23. Bernard Vukas
24. Kevin Keegan
25. Dennis Bergkamp
26. Thomas Müller
27. Dejan Savicevic
28. Zbigniew Boniek
29. Eric Cantona
30. Mario Kempes

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

1. Pelé
2. J. Cruyff
3. L. Messi
4. A. Di Stéfano
5. C. Ronaldo
6. Eusébio
7. F. Puskás
8. Kh. Rummenigge
9. Ronaldinho
10. R. Gullit
11. O. Blokhin
12. Rivaldo
13. R. Baggio
14. H. Stoichkov
15. D. Bergkamp
16. Jairzinho
17. E. Francescoli
18. T. Henry
19. K. Keegan
20. E. Cantona
21. K. Dalglish
22. Z. Boniek
23. N. Hidegkuti
24. D. Savicevic
25. A. Simonsen
26. M. Kempes
27. Raúl

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Cruyff
4. Di Stefano
5. Puskas
6. Cristiano
7. Eusebio
8. Ronaldinho
9. Baggio
10. Henry
11. Gullit
12. Stoichkov
13. Rummenigge
14. Rivaldo
15. Blokhin
16. Bergkamp
17. Totti
18. Hidegkuti
19. Boniek
20. Jaizinho
21. Tostao
22. Cantona
23. Kubala
24. Keegan
25. Dalglish
26. Raul
27. Del Piero
28. Francescoli

 

[harms]

anto's

1. Pelé
2. Lionel Messi
3. Ferenc Puskas
4. Alfredo Di Stéfano
5. Johan Cruyff
6. Cristiano Ronaldo
7. Eusebio
8. Ronaldinho
9. Giuseppe Meazza
10. Héctor Scarone
11. José Manuel Moreno
12. Roberto Baggio
13. Ruud Gullit
14. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge
15. Enzo Francescoli
16. Hristo Stoichkov
17. Raúl González Blanco
18. Laszlo Kubala
19. Zibigniew Boniek
20. Adolfo Pedernera
21. Oleh Blokhin
22. Gyorgy Sarosi
23. Zizinho
24. Rivaldo
25. Thierry Henry
26. Omar Sívori
27. Matthias Sindelar
28. Fritz Walter
29. Pedro Rocha
30. Francesco Totti

 

[Synco]

And the results are up!

 

[Physiocrat]

The top 2 were nailed on but I'm surprised CR7 got third - he never made a big enough overall impact on the side for me to be top 3.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

The top 2 were nailed on but I'm surprised CR7 got third - he never made a big enough overall impact on the side for me to be top 3.

I wonder if the intervening period might have made a difference to the standings. Certainly, Messi's World Cup might have brought him closer to Pele points-wise. Ronaldo's recent behaviour will have done him no favours if this is ever revisited, and unfair as it may be holding his declining years against him, you could argue that they've only amplified flaws in his overall game and attitude that were already there to some degree.

 

[Jim Beam]

Where is Rashford?

 

[Physiocrat]

I wonder if the intervening period might have made a difference to the standings. Certainly, Messi's World Cup might have brought him closer to Pele points-wise. Ronaldo's recent behaviour will have done him no favours if this is ever revisited, and unfair as it may be holding his declining years against him, you could argue that they've only amplified flaws in his overall game and attitude that were already there to some degree.

I think you're right on both counts. Messi would be closer to Pele and CR7 would be lower. I do think that is unfair on CR7's actual performances - I don't rate his peak as high as some do but his later antics and his decline shouldn't detract from his peak.

 

[harms]

I wonder if the intervening period might have made a difference to the standings. Certainly, Messi's World Cup might have brought him closer to Pele points-wise. Ronaldo's recent behaviour will have done him no favours if this is ever revisited, and unfair as it may be holding his declining years against him, you could argue that they've only amplified flaws in his overall game and attitude that were already there to some degree.

Absolutely. Messi would be more or less equal with Pelé, Cristiano would probably drop down below Cruyff (probably not lower but I wouldn’t be too surprised!) and Mbappé would rise up into the 20’s.

 

[Synco]

Ronaldo's recent behaviour will have done him no favours if this is ever revisited, and unfair as it may be holding his declining years against him, you could argue that they've only amplified flaws in his overall game and attitude that were already there to some degree.

Think all of this is spot on.

He's a weird case, as in many ways he's been totally imperious and abnormally productive, but at the same time I felt there was some kind of trade off involved. I never really liked the balance between individual and team focus in his game, despite admiring the brilliant stuff he could do.

 

[General_Elegancia]

I wonder if the intervening period might have made a difference to the standings. Certainly, Messi's World Cup might have brought him closer to Pele points-wise. Ronaldo's recent behaviour will have done him no favours if this is ever revisited, and unfair as it may be holding his declining years against him, you could argue that they've only amplified flaws in his overall game and attitude that were already there to some degree.

The rankings might be changed in some orders for sure, and yes CR7 points will be dropped a bit( or even a lot, who knows) if we vote on this again. Anyway, he deserves at the top5 for sure.