ffsGascoigne (as per Sjor's decision)
I deleted the obvious ones, even though not all of them. All DM/B2B.@harms where are Souness, Keane, Vieira etc.? I assume all in DM/B2B
Think that might create a problem - either we should delete all the obvious ones or list all the eligible players to comprise 90% of everybody's top 30s. Possible doubtful ones from recollection:I deleted the obvious ones, even though not all of them. All DM/B2B.
Right, it looks like DMs and B2B; playmakers and 10s is the winner.
So I think sorting the edge cases needs to be done between B2B and playmakers.
Ones I think could be an issue are -
Falcao
Schweinsteiger
Younger Scholes
Anybody got others?
I think Modric was brought up too
Think the only issue is where you place complete midfielders, the likes of Falcao, Seedorf, De Bruyne, Overath etc.
Schweinsteiger's both version fit in DM/B2B category
Young Scholes is a b2b
Modric with complete midfielders wherever they go.
I'd probably split the complete central midfielders based on prioritisation between on and off the ball. So basically what was their biggest strength. On that basis would put Modric and Falcao into the #8s.
Midfield Playmakers:
Paulo Roberto Falcão* - I think that's fair given his overall style and technique.
It's not a comparison. Ballack falls in the Neeskens category too. Attacking B2Bs. Doesn't mean it's a comparison. Come out of the draft mode will youAnyone else agrees? Although comparing him to Neeskens in terms of his defensive workrate is simply blasphemy
DoneAdd the numbers, please @paulscholes18
For me Falcao was more than just a playmaker, he was defensively good enough to be classified as a B2B. Though he was complete that he could go in both categories.@GodShaveTheQueen @2mufc0 this is the discussion thread. I've put both to playmaking category, but if the public opinion demands, we can put both to B2B.
Yeah, of course, no one questions his defensive capabilities as he was one of the most all-rounded midfielders ever, but we jointly decided to put him in the playmaking category. There's never going to be a full consensus on all of the players.For me Falcao was more than just a playmaker, he was defensively good enough to be classified as a B2B. Though he was complete that he could go in both categories.
If I could I would put him no. 2 b2bYeah, of course, no one questions his defensive capabilities as he was one of the most all-rounded midfielders ever, but we jointly decided to put him in the playmaking category. There's never going to be a full consensus on all of the players.
Looking at the lists already submitted - ooft this is a stacked category.30 is not enough
its insane how many great players you have to leave out....saying that, saved one no matter what!Looking at the lists already submitted - ooft this is a stacked category.
Redondo wouldn't look out of place as a DM in any formation. Falcao would.What’s the logic in Redondo being eligible but Falcao not - think they’re quite similar in terms of being a playmaker.
You would have a point if it was a DM list but it’s not - it’s a DM and B2B midfielder list. Falcao wouldn’t “look out of place” as a B2B midfielder.Redondo wouldn't look out of place as a DM in any formation. Falcao would.
I don't have a good argument against Falcao in the B2B list. I don't mind having him there at all, but Redondo is more well rounded for unquestionable presence while Falcao is understandably still under discussion.You would have a point if it was a DM list but it’s not - it’s a DM and B2B midfielder list. Falcao wouldn’t “look out of place” as a B2B midfielder.
They’re both comparable as playmakers.
its insane how many great players you have to leave out....saying that, saved one no matter what!
I agree and would have him in with the other group.What’s the logic in Redondo being eligible but Falcao not - think they’re quite similar in terms of being a playmaker.
They’re not comparable as playmakers, come on! Redondo is great, but he’s not that great.You would have a point if it was a DM list but it’s not - it’s a DM and B2B midfielder list. Falcao wouldn’t “look out of place” as a B2B midfielder.
They’re both comparable as playmakers.
They definitely are similar in the sense that playmaking is a fundamental but only partial aspect to their game - don’t see a big difference at all. Agree Falcao is more technical but it’s not a chasm and Redondo would be better on the ball than some playmakers who are in that group by virtue of being specialists.They’re not comparable as playmakers, come on! Redondo is great, but he’s not that great.
I originally put Redondo as a playmaker though.
we are finished, goodbye.That was tough. On another day some would be switched around but pretty happy with my list.