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This is clearly not libel. If you and your associates are sharing confidential information that people have the ability to pay for for early access or a sneak peak of then they do deserve to know they are potentially breaking the law in doing so. Potential criminal activity is not muppetry.
Are you classing these as business expenses and if so are you registered as a business? Or are you a charity? Or are you just operating outside of any kind of traditional structure because a case could be made for these “donations” to be considered business earnings.
If you offer a paid service “tidbits” then people need to know the risks.
If you offer a paid service “tidbits” then people need to know the risks.
If you are getting any insider information at the rate you claim it’s nigh impossible to not have very clear and direct links to most major clubs. I’m all for muppetry but don’t claim this is a purely altruistic venture as your hope to “pay content writers” implies there is some sort of business plan. Will this be taxed?
Again. We are given the info. None of the sources have mentioned any NDAs or legal reason for them to not tell it to us, but if there is some form of legal reason then that would be on them, not us.
We do not force people to pay for exclusive info. I cannot stress this enough. We only very rarely put things in there, its not like every damn thing.
I put it to some of the patreon subscribers and four of the 6 respondents said that they have subscribed to support the community. One cited access to a quieter chat room, and one said for the early info.
I'm really not sure why you're so obsessed with 'business expenses' and such. Have you posed the same questions to the admins of this site? Where does their ad money go? Are they set up as a PLC?
To be fair, the best plane tracking muppetry I have ever seen happened recently on the muppetiers subreddit. They have some real pros over there in this regard.
I’m sure at the very least data protection laws are being breached by your sources and payment for that info even through a 3rd party is potentially illegal.
Ignorance of the law isn’t a viable defence.
Ive never claimed you do force people to part with money but you do offer a service for money. This currently is completely unregulated and not part of any kind of business so of course the legitimacy and safety of this venture for others is absolutely worth questioning and highlighting especially when your client base is likely to be younger more impressionable people.
I’m not obsessed at all merely highlighting that if you have plans to hire people even on a freelance basis there will need to have been some monetary benefit to yourselves.
This site does not offer any incentive for me to pay to use it to gain extra access so an acceptable trade off is that I’ll be advertised to. There is no need for you to take money unless you wish to create a small business out of it. At which point I believe you should be open with your fan base about your goals.
If you want to eventually be content creators, with a small team of writers around insider info then they is admirable but being disingenuous about your motives is not.
I would be much more willing to be less
One of the higher-rated ones has hung his/her hat on tomorrow as the day it's supposed to happen.
Again, we do not require payment for info.
That doesn't even come close to answering my question. I asked if you're as concerned about where the ad revenue goes as you seem to be about our thing. I don't see you berating the admins here, asking where that revenue goes.
I have been nothing but honest about our motives? You can't just decide I'm lying, or hiding the truth. That's not how this works. We are not planning to line our own pockets with this, whatsoever.
Random question - Didn't know where else to ask it...
Remember 7 years ago when Ed Woodward left our pre-season tour of Australia on "urgent transfer business"?
Was it ever revealed what that transfer business was? Who we were trying to sign?
Remember 7 years ago when Ed Woodward left our pre-season tour of Australia on "urgent transfer business"?
Was it ever revealed what that transfer business was? Who we were trying to sign?
I had a bit of look on Reddit to see what the fuss was about. They've all said at some point or another that it's deal agreed, when it clearly isn't. People still think they are ahead of the media cycle, and claimed that this is just like the other deals where the media have said it isn't done as though its proof that is done. On the previous media cycles the deal wasn't done but did eventually get done.
The way people hand on the words of Rhodes is very uncomfortable reading, like he's a cult leader. Hopefully not his intention.
It the same with the majority of the Internet ITK's they just follow the news and gamble on what going to happen next.
Wanted to sign Bale and Fabregas.
I’ve never said you require it. However you by your own admission occasionally give access to info “tidbits” to those who have paid you.
I’m not at all concerned about a completely free to use site. There is a distinct difference between selling info or exclusive access and having advertising revenue generated from a free site. Reddit already operates from advertising revenue and so does RedCafe. What you are offering as even a small service isn’t the same. One has a degree of regulation behind it the other can be used to exploit the gullible. To be clear I love the muppetry itself I think it’s funny and it’s nice to get caught up in it. But charging people for a more exclusive chat or community you are then getting into murky waters for my liking.
I as a critical thinking and free minded individual at perfectly entitled to think and express how I feel. You cannot dictate how your practices are interpreted and you should be glad that people are wanting to make sure they are fully informed of the risks involved in engaging in a potentially paid for service even if it is only a small percentage that does so.
I believe you have the long term ambition of expanding this muppetry into a small scale operation where you have freelance writers? As per your previous post. I admire you greatly for this openness by the way and so please don’t see this as an attack more an unbiased and cautionary note for all that use your service.
It is absolutely admirable to want to expand and also to offer podcasts and video sessions and I absolutely think there is a market for it. However until you admit that as your long term goal I don’t feel I can support what you’re doing.
Holy shit. You may be "a critical thinking and free minded individual", but your reading comprehension is absolutely non-existent.
It seems like, when I said earlier "A couple of tidbits get chucked to the patreon subscribers a little bit early" you stopped reading at the word "subscribers".
There is no 'exclusive' information for patreon subscribers. We do not sell information.
What we do do is (extremely rarely, and never from our list of core, reliable, and verified ITKs), give them a bit of a heads up on something. Slightly early, like a day. That is absolutely it.
It's not advertised as the main patreon benefit, and a majority of the patron subscribers aren't even that bothered about it.
This is perhaps the funniest thing I have ever read.
Essentially, "I admire your honesty, but you are not being honest"? Right.
As you so astutely note in the first of those two paragraphs, I am being open about this.
We are doing a podcast and have been for a while, there are live videos, and we want to post some articles on the website - to do all of these things we need money. As I said earlier, any excess goes in to things like kit giveaways. This is not being treated as a money making business.
The second paragraph is where it all falls apart. You just congratulated on my admission that this is the aim, and then said "you need to admit that this is your aim". I really don't understand.
Yes clearly me not fully endorsing your questionable practices and not encouraging people to throw money at ITKs on the Internet is just me being stupid...
My comprehension is absolutely fine. You just don’t like for some reason people prying into your practice or casting an informed and critical eye over it.
Early access to confidential information even if it is then provided free later on is still paying for said info. I’m not sure if you’ve ever had to set up a business or deal with confidential information before but you have a worrying lack of understanding of how the patrons may be implicated by paying for any information or the perception of it.
Do you give info to people early? Yes. Do you only do this if they have paid a subscription? Yes. Therefore by definition there is a degree of exclusivity. They see it first ergo it’s exclusive to them for a period of time.
I do genuinely appreciate you taking the time to justify yourself but you are now coming across as unnecessarily rude towards someone who has the best intentions towards those who may wish to subscribe to you. Firstly you are I assume operating anonymously. You are not operating within normal business practices or structures and are clearly (if all your sources are legit and this is the best case scenario where this isn’t a complete scam) not dealing with confidential information correctly.
Is this being geared towards becoming a business? You say no but will the writers be paid for their articles? Or is this all just an altruistic venture where you’re giving away free info with no expectation of reward?
If you don’t understand my second paragraph perhaps your comprehension is the one to be questioned.
I just think it’s incredibly odd that someone randomly on the Internet claims to have ITK sources that they collate and act as admin for and wants to expand on how they operate which requires money but doesn’t see this as a small business venture?
So what is it in your eyes what do you believe you are?
I have absolutely zero issue with people asking questions about it all, or constructively criticising us.
What I have a problem with is the repeated suggestion that we sell info, which is *completely* untrue.
You claim that you have best intentions, however you've come across as kinda hostile, repeating the same attack lines, no matter how many times I answer them, and it led me to get frustrated with this whole conversation. It was never my intention to be rude, however my frustrations have obviously shone through, and for that I apologise.
It is absolutely not being geared towards becoming a business. Obviously I can't promise it will *never* become a business, but there are zero plans for that whatsoever. I cannot stress that enough. It's merely a hobby, as lame as that may sound.
As for why we're doing it? Personally, I absolutely loved all the ITK stuff and muppeting on the reddevils subreddit. I didn't want it to end, nor did a lot of other users, so we figured out a way to continue it in a hopefully controlled and productive way. Just because its not something that *you* would want to do, doesn't mean that others all feel the same way.
I refer you to my previous comment about this very website. It's not a business venture, but it requires revenue to run, hence the adverts. We obviously can't do adverts on discord or reddit, and the website doesn't generate enough traffic for ads to be worth it, so we figured out an alternative method.
Edit: Forgot to answer your final question. What are we? A large community, I guess? Not too different to this one. Only difference is the format (discord/reddit vs forum) and the fact that we want a bit more of our own content (podcast and articles)
Also I want to stress we're not 'hiring' writers. I don't think anyone is doing it for the paycheck, and they'd likely all do it for free, but we want to pay them for their time and effort, 'cause we try to be nice
In that case. Muppet on good fellow. Muppet on.
‘Thank you for this post. That is the idea behind this thread. I hope the long winded criticisms are over here now.
It‘s so frustrating checking in here and just seeing essays posted as to why everything ITK is BS. See the yellow banner.
@ubergorp what happens when things aren't called right by some of the ITKs? Going off the updates I've just read on Sancho from July 20th/21st, a couple put their neck on the line and got it horribly wrong.
I guess ITKs can always say, "it got stuck at other department to where my source works" or if it falls through in the end, the old favourite, "Ed pulled the plug."
People should see it as bit of fun and carry on the muppetry. No need to get too invested.
There is some merit to this concern. While we all like it as a bit of fun, it becomes less fun if the biggest claims always end up being wrong.
Yup that's there.
Basically this. The thing is, its entirely possible that it got stuck in another department, or it could be all agreed and this is all some big media ploy, and the ITKs are right. Looking unlikely, but we'll never know. Thing that gets me is that they all agreed without knowing that the others had also messaged the same (or similar) thing. Maybe it's all a big conspiracy and we're being trolled by someone with far too much time on their hands.
As I've said above, we will do a post transfer breakdown after its all over, see what went wrong and where. We will be doing an internal one with the ITKs too, see what reasons they come up with.
Some ITKs have literally been quoted as staking their entire reputation on this, lets hope they can redeem themselves before it all finishes.
Thanks for the reply, I guess it is a hard one to call as like you and @The Man Himself said, they can just palm it off as it getting the plug pulled.
I'm not criticising or the like as some have on here, I find it as a bit of fun like the others on here.
The beauty of the internet and associated anonymity, is you cant actually stake your reputation, as it's not a real reputation in the first place. You cant have a reputation if nobody knows who you are. That, and you can always just respawn as another ITK means the whole reputation thing is meaningless.
I enjoy it as a bit of harmless fun nonetheless, so keep it up.
I am wondering what those ITKs get from it. If there isn't money or any gain involved, at best they are too 'benevolent' and at worst they are risking it for themselves or for the source if they really have info and it becomes clear who within the club is behind the leaks. Also "staking reputation" for an unknown person sitting behind keyboard means nothing. Unless they actually get something from this and hence want to be correct in long run
That's why I said it is OK as a fun without getting too invested but then if in the end it is bit of refined indykaila like, where it is just guessing then people will get bored.
Well, if you see how many players that are falsly linked to United and how much stick Woodward and Judge get, the combination of that sometimes get the twitter hate going. I guess maybe they care about the club enough to want to give fans as much correct info as they can , to make the transfer window abit less frustrating as a United follower.I am wondering what those ITKs get from it. If there isn't money or any gain involved, at best they are too 'benevolent' and at worst they are risking it for themselves or for the source if they really have info and it becomes clear who within the club is behind the leaks. Also "staking reputation" for an unknown person sitting behind keyboard means nothing. Unless they actually get something from this and hence want to be correct in long run
That's why I said it is OK as a fun without getting too invested but then if in the end it is bit of refined indykaila like, where it is just guessing then people will get bored.
Far-fetched theory I know
What are the latest ITK rumblings? This thread has too much Caf drama to go through 
Same as usual.What are the latest ITK rumblings? This thread has too much Caf drama to go through
If "tier one" journos are reporting interest in someone, they report it as fact and pretend to know what's happening.
If "tier 2-4" journos mention something, they will throw the name in but say "but we are awaiting confirmation", or some such.
Rinse and repeat.
And that’s why I’m out.
People on the discord are starting to realise it's bullshit because they said Sancho was done and it's evidently not and other posters are shouting them down.What are the latest ITK rumblings? This thread has too much Caf drama to go through
I genuinely think that there's at least some truth to the majority of players we get linked to (even by papers who are better used as bog roll), whether it be that we've scouted them, contact the agent to check availability as a contingency, or otherwise.Well, if you see how many players that are falsly linked to United and how much stick Woodward and Judge get, the combination of that sometimes get the twitter hate going. I guess maybe they care about the club enough to want to give fans as much correct info as they can , to make the transfer window abit less frustrating as a United follower.
Far-fetched theory I know
Massive meltdown today on the subreddit as no word of any Sancho announcement has been close to being made. Predictable outcome I suppose.
So, same as the caf.
There is no harm, people just can't control themselves.
At least they don't meltdown every day like the Caf does. Match day threads are symbolic of this.
Why am I going into this thread and not seeing any ITK stuff?!
Remember you did that last season and it was all a load of fecking shite?
Even Spoofex was giving himself +1 because things he said were done deals but didn’t happen had rumours in the media. That jroades guy was one of the worst but he seems to be all over it this year.
I think this thread is perfectly legitimate for what it is, and I think people who believe the stuff should be able to post that they believe the ITKs in here.
We do have some posters saying the ITKs have been totally right about Sancho up until now, however. The reality seems to be they are all bang wrong as most were claiming some kind of done deal weeks ago.
I think it’s fair enough there should be a discussion, but if transfers are so finely balanced is there really any point to this ITK stuff?
If four weeks after an ITK says a deal is done the club seem to be saying talks have broken down, where is the value in any of it?
I don’t really understand where the fun is to be honest.
I do love the suggestion that the deal was done but has been held up at the Tea Lady because Sancho hasn’t advised if he’s lactose intolerant or not.
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I've heard Sancho joins on the 12th.
We're in for Kouliaby but the deal is difficult, so it may happen, but it may not.
Grealish has been done since December, we're just waiting to sell a few players
If none of this comes true, well, then I guess, things changed behind the scenes!
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