Refs mistakes- can't wait VAR

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Hopefully the number of them will be less though.
Yep, that should happen especially with the blatant mistakes by the ref.

Issues in the future will be like the one we saw tonight, where people cant come to a consensus even when looking at the exact same footage. BBC pundits watched the same footage as the VAR official and they said it was a pen.
 

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Based on yesterday, offside was given, but the player finished it off. The ref then gives the goal.

So what happens if a player is given offside, the player continues and scores (but the opposition stops playing). and its shown to be not offside. Do they give the goal?
And if he is indeed offside, does he get booked for kicking the ball away?

How long after hes given offside does he have to finish the chance?

Any, regarding tonight, I thought Willians was a penalty. Who are these people that review the decisions? And are they always the same set of people every time? Is it one person or a panel?
I have soooo many questions doh
 

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Based on yesterday, offside was given, but the player finished it off. The ref then gives the goal.

So what happens if a player is given offside, the player continues and scores (but the opposition stops playing). and its shown to be not offside. Do they give the goal?
And if he is indeed offside, does he get booked for kicking the ball away?

How long after hes given offside does he have to finish the chance?
Yeah I was thinking about this too. I think the linesman shouldn't flag until the player has a shot on goal because otherwise it would be unfair on the striker. If the goal is scored then go back and check if its offside or not if theres any doubt. Although this would basically make linesman useless.
 

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Yeah I was thinking about this too. I think the linesman shouldn't flag until the player has a shot on goal because otherwise it would be unfair on the striker. If the goal is scored then go back and check if its offside or not if theres any doubt. Although this would basically make linesman useless.
The whole thing is weird, like its been employed but they havent really thought it through.
 

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The whole thing is weird, like its been employed but they havent really thought it through.
Yeah, but I think the only way to see the issues with it is by testing it in some games. I think on the whole VAR will be a big benefit, but we will need to be patient to see those. We're only at the start of the process.
 

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Yeah, but I think the only way to see the issues with it is by testing it in some games. I think on the whole VAR will be a big benefit, but we will need to be patient to see those. We're only at the start of the process.
Oh I agree, it will be beneficial. I think it should have come in place a few years ago and should be close to its best right now.
I am wondering if stuff like who are the people reviewing it is published. Are they just random suits or people who dont support teams? Imagine you find out that somebody on the VAR team is a fulham or norwich fan, rofl.
 

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Well, even they admit that it should have been a penalty to Willian. Bit of a shambles really.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...overturned-willians-yellow-diving-could-have/

The competence of the Premier League’s panel of Video Assistant Referees was called into question on Thursday after it emerged a review had been botched during Chelsea’s FA Cup win over Norwich City.

As revealed by Telegraph Sport, Mike Jones’s failure to watch a super slow motion replay of a penalty incident involving Willian meant a booking for diving issued to him was wrongly allowed to stand during extra-time of Wednesday night’s third-round replay.

Jones’s bosses at Professional Game Match Officials Ltd are also understood to accept it would not have been wrong for a penalty to have been awarded either for Timm Klose’s tackle on Willian.

Jones allowing Graham Scott’s on-field decision to stand infuriated Chelsea manager Antonio Conte, with Willian adamant he was fouled and even Klose admitting he should have been penalised for his challenge.

The VAR blunder emerged when the BBC, which was covering the match live, showed a super slow motion replay proving there had been contact between Klose’s leg and Willian’s right foot.

Despite watching the incident 10 times, including from the decisive angle, Jones failed to slow down his own footage to the same speed and was, therefore, under the misapprehension no contact had been made and Willian had dived.


He duly decided Scott had not made a ‘clear and obvious error’ both in not awarding a penalty nor in booking the winger. Had he slowed the footage down, it is understood he would have been within his rights to reach a different conclusion.

It is also understood the decision to book Willian is considered by PGMOL to have been absolutely the wrong one and should definitely have been overturned. That would have meant the game being restarted with a drop ball in the area had a penalty not been awarded.

Jones took 44 seconds to review the incident and it is understood VARs could be instructed to spend more time looking at replays at both normal speed and super slow motion to avoid a repeat of Wednesday night’s error.

Willian has no right of appeal against his yellow card, which can only be rescinded in the immediate aftermath of a booking for diving in the box.

One of the architects of VAR, former Premier League referee David Elleray, last night admitted “teething problems” were inevitable during what have been live trials of the technology which began last week.

The technical director of the International Football Association Board told The Telegraph: “This is only the fourth time in a competitive match that it has been used in England and there will always be teething problems.


“We must remember that, we, in England are in the very early stages of getting used to this. But what it also highlights is that there are some decisions that are neither clearly black nor white.

“And, in principle, the original decision stands unless it is shown to be clearly and obviously wrong.”

PGMOL declined to comment on Wednesday’s mistake but is also understood to feel such teething problems are part of the process of perfecting VAR ahead of its expected rollout next season.

Jones was also the VAR for Leicester City’s third-round replay victory over Fleetwood Town on Tuesday night in which he correctly overturned the disallowing of a goal for offside. It is also a matter of fact that had Wednesday’s game not been part of the VAR trial, Willian would still have been booked for diving.

Jones’s mistake, and those made elsewhere during similar experiments conducted in other countries, will not prevent VAR being adopted into the Laws of the Game in time for the World Cup.

A decision in principle on the matter will be taken at Monday’s IFAB annual business meeting ahead of formal ratification at its annual general meeting in March.

A well-placed source told The Telegraph the clamour for VAR was growing, pointing out the reaction to Watford’s handball goal in their Premier League draw against Southampton.


He said: “You only need to go back to last Saturday and the Watford game and the headlines everywhere, ‘Where was the VAR when you wanted him?’

“And that’s what people would say if football didn’t go ahead with it.”