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Not the same thing.That’s absolute nonsense though. We had a penalty given this season after the final whistle. Peter Walton talks absolute shite.
Not the same thing.That’s absolute nonsense though. We had a penalty given this season after the final whistle. Peter Walton talks absolute shite.
Yep, referee error. Nothing was gained by blowing so earlyApologies, I get what you’s are saying now. He blew before the ball hit the net.
Fair point.Maybe thought it was one of his own players?
Apart from a zillion penalties and a bunch of red cards this season.Ref got both big decisions wrong but they are exactly the kind of decisions that VAR never over turns whichever way they are given. It’s essentially redundant for those kind of incidents as whatever ref decides is final, whether it’s right or wrong.
Should have happened years ago, would also hold players accountable for their disgusting language or abuse of refs.They should mic up refs and VAR like rugby, too cowardly to do it, might actually have to explain decisions.
He’s absolutely shite at dominating his box. Always been a weakness but regressed horribly in the last couple of years. He was clearly fouled in this instance but a stronger, braver more committed keeper would have ridden that challenge and still got a fist to the ball.Fair point.
I didn't think it was much of a foul at first... Now I've seen it a hundred times I think it is one... But I still think De Gea can be stronger in that situation, because even without the push I'm not even sure he's getting there.
Should be pressuring the ref anyway. Naive not to.To be fair to De Gea, he’s in the melee and won’t have the first idea of who made contact with him from behind.
He said the referee was wrong to blow early. Not sure what you are watching.What is the point in having a ref in the studio? They always just agree with the ref's decision no matter what and look out for their own.
That’s a legitimate excuse!Let’s be honest the VAR cluster feck is exactly what we should have expected. These idiots have been making stupid decisions for years and hidden behind the fact it happens in real time as their excuse.
All Var has really done is shown that to be the lie we knew it was.
That describes the foul on De Gea too. Except the SU player, unlike Maguire, made absolutely no attempt to try and play the ball.The push was probably deemed not hard enough as it didn't affect De Gea's jump too much and the fact that he showed no response of being fouled.
Maguire one looks like a foul to me. One player reaches the ball, other makes contact with the player only and didn't come close to heading it.
Maybe my stream froze because I don't remember him saying that - I only heard him say it wasn't a foul on De Gea, but was a foul on Ramsgate which is bollocks - Sharp wasn't even going for the ball and Maguire was.He said the referee was wrong to blow early. Not sure what you are watching.
Totally disagree. They are comparable events. If anything the push on De Gea is more obvious and pronounced.The push was probably deemed not hard enough as it didn't affect De Gea's jump too much and the fact that he showed no response of being fouled.
Maguire one looks like a foul to me. One player reaches the ball, other makes contact with the player only and didn't come close to heading it.
It’s not easy, but that doesn’t mean that it excuses everything and the standard has been significantly below par for many years.That’s a legitimate excuse!
Refereeing is bloody difficult and they’re generally good at their job. We got pissed off because multiple replays from assorted angles highlight the human fallibility (just like it highlights bad mistakes by very talented footballers) and we couldn’t cope with that reality, for some strange reason.
It’s us that was the problem, not the referees.
Well we’ve got what we deserved...
The main issue with VAR as it stands is because it’s shite and unworkable system. They’re only supposed to correct clear and obvious errors, which is impossibly vague. The ref on the pitch is generally supposed to let play continue when VAR might be needed but they also have to blow for what they think are obvious fouls, or we’ll have so many VAR adjudicated incidents there will be double digits injury time every half. Knowing when and when not to involve VAR is subject to the same human fallibility as life before VAR. The offside rule has become ludicrously over-egged and changes multiple times per season. As for fecking handball, don’t get me started.It’s not easy, but that doesn’t mean that it excuses everything and the standard has been significantly below par for many years.
As highlighted by referees still getting decisions wrong with the benefit of super slow mo and numerous angles.
That's completely different though. The Brighton incident that was reviewed happened while the ball was in play. It's like saying a pen couldn't be given for the previous attack because the ball went out for a throw in and is out of play.That’s absolute nonsense though. We had a penalty given this season after the final whistle. Peter Walton talks absolute shite.
Already commented on it.That's completely different though. The Brighton incident that was reviewed happened while the ball was in play. It's like saying a pen couldn't be given for the previous attack because the ball went out for a throw in and is out of play.
It only works if you can get refs to run with a narrative that supports your teams tactic, such as telling the ref not to protect De Gea and then targeting him. I swear this young new ref was guided from other instances on how to approach this game for a spectacle. It makes no sense that they can get away with it when you have VAR, disallowing goals for no reason at will and ignoring clear and obvious fouls against United. Apparently it is random that we get a lot of decisions against us after Klopp created a narrative for refs to hide behind.We should have a player just run into the keeper from behind as he's about to jump, he doesn't even need to challenge for the ball. It's a foolproof strategy.
Spot on, they can hide behind ‘oh but VAR isn’t allowed to call that’, but it’s a load of rubbish.Billy sharp basically rugby tackles De gea while De Gea is mid air and moves him out of the path of the ball. He makes no attempt to play the ball hes not even looking at it he is there to do one job disrupt de Gea and he does illegally.
Maguire moves infront of ramsdale to challenge for the ball, hes more then entitled to do that as long as he doesn't make a huge amount of physical contact with ramsdale and he doesn't he just stands his ground. Ramsdale makes a mistake In dropping a ball that he should catch gets bailed out by an over zealous referee.
I thought VAR was bought in to sort these daft calls out, but they seem to be obsessed with the clear and obvious thing rather than just getting the decision right. The problem is there idea of clear and obvious is miles of everyone else's idea of clear and obvious, they think they are protecting there mates by not calling on there mistakes but there just making themselves look more and more incompetent as the weeks go on.
The more I see the first goal the more infuriating it is because in real time you cant see much in the mess of bodies, but on the replays what sharp does is obvious he waits for de Gea to jump and then just drops his shoulder and charges him and it literally pushes de Gea out of the path of the ball. It's exactly the sort of thing VAR should pick up on as the ref is going to struggle to see it in real time.Spot on, they can hide behind ‘oh but VAR isn’t allowed to call that’, but it’s a load of rubbish.
Hilarious isn’t it, what a shock no one mentions this.The ref was shite last night. If you allow one of those goals you have to allow the other, massively inconsistent, it has cost us big time as awful as we were. I doubt there will be any mention of that when people are wheeling out the United get special treatment from referees memes and hilarious jokes.
Does intention matter? He is basically rugby tackling the keeper regardless.After watching it a few times, it has become obvious to me that it is not actually a push. Not an intended one, anyway. Look at this feet. He gets tripped up by one of his own players. He is not pushing, he is falling. It is most obvious on camera angle from behind the goal, but you can see it in the other angles too.
This brings my piss to a boil. If there is suspicion of an offside they will review it for ages and draw up their stupid fecking lines, but in cases like this they will let it pass because "the ref saw it".Ref got both big decisions wrong but they are exactly the kind of decisions that VAR never over turns whichever way they are given. It’s essentially redundant for those kind of incidents as whatever ref decides is final, whether it’s right or wrong.
So as long as a player falls into an opponent it's not an infringement? Found a new tactic then! Just fall over on corners and knock the keeper to the ground, tell the ref you got dizzy = profit.After watching it a few times, it has become obvious to me that it is not actually a push. Not an intended one, anyway. Look at this feet. He gets tripped up by one of his own players. He is not pushing, he is falling. It is most obvious on camera angle from behind the goal, but you can see it in the other angles too.
I didn't say that, did I? I am just saying that there are a lot of accusations being thrown around towards him for purposely "rugby tackling" DDG, when that simply isn't the case. He tripped over a teammate's leg. Completely innocent. I don't think you can actually make a tactic of genuinely accidentally tripping over someone's leg, so your smartarse comment was a bit dumb, to be honest.So as long as a player falls into an opponent it's not an infringement? Found a new tactic then! Just fall over on corners and knock the keeper to the ground, tell the ref you got dizzy = profit.
Tripped over a teammate? Wow, at no time did he ever look towards the ball, not once. His only intention was to foul de gea, nothing more.I didn't say that, did I? I am just saying that there are a lot of accusations being thrown around towards him for purposely "rugby tackling" DDG, when that simply isn't the case. He tripped over a teammate's leg. Completely innocent. I don't think you can actually make a tactic of genuinely accidentally tripping over someone's leg, so your smartarse comment was a bit dumb, to be honest.
I've already stated in another thread that I feel both goals should have been ruled out, if the DDG/VVD incident last season at Anfield was anything to go by.