Refs & VAR 2020/2021 Discussion

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Why didn’t VAR do a check on the Azpilicueta pen incident? That cnut seems to get away with everything.
 

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No VAR in the Serbia-Ireland game. Such a blessed relief to see offsides flagged promptly and blown up immediately. Every single decision correct so far. Like 99% of offside calls pre-VAR. With none of the dragged out, uncertain and confusing bullshit that seems to accompany most offsides in the PL these days. Football is a simple game. How did we let it get so complicated?
 

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No VAR in the Serbia-Ireland game. Such a blessed relief to see offsides flagged promptly and blown up immediately. Every single decision correct so far. Like 99% of offside calls pre-VAR. With none of the dragged out, uncertain and confusing bullshit that seems to accompany most offsides in the PL these days. Football is a simple game. How did we let it get so complicated?
Im guessing this was posted before they missed an Ireland pen to put us 2-1 up!?
 

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Premier League action plan to ‘change and improve’ VAR

Referees chiefs have told Premier League clubs that they will produce an action plan to “change and improve” the VAR system for next season after numerous controversial incidents during this campaign.
The changes will be passed on to match officials at coaching and training sessions in the summer before the new season, clubs were told at a league shareholders’ meeting yesterday.
The VAR action plan will focus on improving the consistency of decision-making on subjective calls such as fouls in the penalty area and red cards for serious foul play, as well as the interpretation of marginal offsides.
The meeting also heard that the Premier League would approach the government to ask if a limited number of away fans would be permitted for the final two rounds of the season, when, under the roadmap out of lockdown, 10,000 supporters should be allowed into games. The government is also considering allowing a small number of people into one of the FA Cup semifinals as a test event, though not fans of the clubs involved.
The VAR plan follows a survey of club managers, captains and sporting directors. The deadline for completing the survey was this week and the results will be analysed and become part of the action plan. Fans’ views of the VAR system will also be taken into account as part of the proposed changes.
A presentation to the clubs stated: “The purpose is to identify improvements to the VAR system and form a common understanding of where a VAR interpretation is expected and how changes can be made to increase consistency in interpretation and decision-making.
“The results will inform the coaching and training of match officials during the close season and changes will take effect in season 2021-2022.”
Criticism of the use of VAR has continued throughout this season, the second year it has been in operation in the top flight, despite changes introduced in August, when referees were told to consult pitch-side monitors themselves for subjective decisions.
Managers and players have criticised the consistency of the decision- making, and despite access to the monitors, the referee Mike Dean had two red cards he issued in successive matches both overturned on appeal.
The use of marginal offside decisions has also become very unpopular, with some clubs in favour of the Premier League using the Dutch system, which allows for a greater margin of error.
At the meeting the 20 clubs also gave their approval to move the penultimate round of matches to the final midweek of the season to ensure that every club will have one game with 10,000 fans present.
The Premier League will adjust the fixture calendar to have the penultimate round of games on May 18 and 19, with the final round of matches on May 23. It is exploring with the government whether 1,000 of the 10,000 attending could be away fans, though some clubs are in favour of limiting it to home supporters only.
The government has already confirmed that the FA Cup final will be used as a pilot event with 20,000 fans attending on May 15. It is still in talks with the FA and the EFL about using the FA Cup semi-finals and the Carabao Cup final, in April, as other test events.
One plan is to use one of the semifinals at Wembley to admit several hundred people from the local Brent area or NHS workers, but with no supporters from either of the clubs involved.

Improvements on offside, dangerous play and red cards but i honestly feel it's going to be empty promises. Whatever changes they make, you can't apply them with this bunch of jokers in place.
 

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Improvements on offside, dangerous play and red cards but i honestly feel it's going to be empty promises. Whatever changes they make, you can't apply them with this bunch of jokers in place.
Agreed. For me the fundamental problem with VAR is it's given more leeway for these idiots to make judgement calls. This is why I keep saying the solution is to just get rid of slow motion and freeze framing - let a VAR watch at normal speed, if he sees something obviously wrong to the point where it's apparent at normal speed then it should be flagged and corrected. People want VAR to correct egregious mistakes, not to say whether someone's pubic hair might be offside.
 

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Pretty similar to Douglas Luiz on Pogba really, Maguire got away with a couple this season.
 

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You still livid about that one? Ha ha. Luiz was crystal clear contact. I genuinely can't make anything out on this one.
Not hugely, just thought they looked pretty similar. Maguire certainly has arm on Welbeck's shoulder as cross comes in just as Luiz did on Pogba and there was possible if accidental coming together of legs.

Really surprised Mike Dean didn't get sent to the screen to have a look.
 

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Other Pens have often been given this season where minimal contact and player goes down.

Pogba v Villa, Rashford's pen given v Newcastle, Kane pen v Villa, Salah pen given v City just from last few months.

Then you also see Foden get totally taken out recently and nothing given. Don't remember which game.

VAR has totally failed to provide a level playing field. Which is surely the point of it.

Kane, Salah and Rashford should have been booked for diving imo. Why aren't we seeing that if the referee is sent to the screen?

VAR should be scrapped given it doesn't work. I had high hopes it would make football fairer, incredibly naive looking back. TV rights value is all that matters ultimately.

Better to have bad inconsistent ref calls than the same but with the pretence of VAR.
 

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Mane v Leicester I think last season was a terrible one aswell, simply no excuse to give those decisions with option to watch more replays. At least they sorted out the stupid calls for handball right at the start of the season and that at least know feels like it was pre VAR, some called but many not.
 

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Even as a City fan I just haven't seen anything in the Maguire-Welbeck incident, after numerous replays, that says it's a penalty. Welbeck's already on his way down, Maguire doesn't seem to touch him. We've spent all season, collectively as football fans, complaining about the amount of soft decisions being awarded, so why are we clamouring for one now? Without VAR there would be no fussing about it, just an acceptance that the referee didn't see enough to give the decision (which I also still haven't, after several looks) and that we should all get on with our lives.
 

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Even as a City fan I just haven't seen anything in the Maguire-Welbeck incident, after numerous replays, that says it's a penalty. Welbeck's already on his way down, Maguire doesn't seem to touch him. We've spent all season, collectively as football fans, complaining about the amount of soft decisions being awarded, so why are we clamouring for one now? Without VAR there would be no fussing about it, just an acceptance that the referee didn't see enough to give the decision (which I also still haven't, after several looks) and that we should all get on with our lives.
I'd put it in the category of 'not proven' - the footage and replays didn't shed enough light on what, if any, contact there was.
 

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That might genuinely be one of the worst refereeing decisions I've ever seen... For a myriad of reasons

1. It's not a foul
2. If anything is a foul on Bellingham
3. He blew up early instead of letting it play out and then blowing
4. He did this knowing VAR is in play
5. He booked Bellingham
6. VAR didn't review it as a red card incident for Ederson (which it could have done)
 

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That might genuinely be one of the worst refereeing decisions I've ever seen... For a myriad of reasons

1. It's not a foul
2. If anything is a foul on Bellingham
3. He blew up early instead of letting it play out and then blowing
4. He did this knowing VAR is in play
5. He booked Bellingham
6. VAR didn't review it as a red card incident for Ederson (which it could have done)
Summed up perfectly. Frankly outrageous.
 

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One of the worst decisions I've ever seen, bad without VAR... utterly criminal with. Let it play out, then call it fecking back you corrupt cnut.
 

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City are a good side but they have had some ridiculous decisions go their way this season. They have had rules literally bend to give them goals.
 

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That might genuinely be one of the worst refereeing decisions I've ever seen... For a myriad of reasons

1. It's not a foul
2. If anything is a foul on Bellingham
3. He blew up early instead of letting it play out and then blowing
4. He did this knowing VAR is in play
5. He booked Bellingham
6. VAR didn't review it as a red card incident for Ederson (which it could have done)
Bang on. The blowing up before he puts it in the net really blew his cover. It’s so bad.
 

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That might genuinely be one of the worst refereeing decisions I've ever seen... For a myriad of reasons

1. It's not a foul
2. If anything is a foul on Bellingham
3. He blew up early instead of letting it play out and then blowing
4. He did this knowing VAR is in play
5. He booked Bellingham
6. VAR didn't review it as a red card incident for Ederson (which it could have done)
He should actually never be seen in the CL again after that decision.
 

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That might genuinely be one of the worst refereeing decisions I've ever seen... For a myriad of reasons

1. It's not a foul
2. If anything is a foul on Bellingham
3. He blew up early instead of letting it play out and then blowing
4. He did this knowing VAR is in play
5. He booked Bellingham
6. VAR didn't review it as a red card incident for Ederson (which it could have done)
Nailed it, one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen.
 

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I'm in shock with that decision.

I wouldn't usually be big on conspiracy theories but the ref blowing up early is suspicious as feck.
 

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The penalty call is actually even worse to be fair. Not only that but he watched the replay about 40 times. Was probably thinking to himself “well I’ve been paid by City to throw the match but even I can’t give that without looking corrupt.”
 

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That might genuinely be one of the worst refereeing decisions I've ever seen... For a myriad of reasons

1. It's not a foul
2. If anything is a foul on Bellingham
3. He blew up early instead of letting it play out and then blowing
4. He did this knowing VAR is in play
5. He booked Bellingham
6. VAR didn't review it as a red card incident for Ederson (which it could have done)
That might genuinely be one of the worst refereeing decisions I've ever seen... For a myriad of reasons

1. It's not a foul
2. If anything is a foul on Bellingham
3. He blew up early instead of letting it play out and then blowing
4. He did this knowing VAR is in play
5. He booked Bellingham
6. VAR didn't review it as a red card incident for Ederson (which it could have done)
Why a red card for Ederson? He didn’t deny a goal-scoring opportunity?

Agree with points 1 through 5.