Replacing Casemiro


I’ve seen no composure or quality on the ball of note in his first team appearances so far. Coupled with his unspectacular academy career here with us, I can’t say he excites me.
 
That’s why I’d love to get Douglas Luiz in on loan until the summer as he’s got an unbelievable engine and is proper box to box whilst having been a high quality PL established player, I think McTominay would have done well in this system too.

I think Ugarte, Mainoo, Luiz and Collyer is enough to get us to the summer and if Luiz impresses then we could look at bringing him in permanently and then there’s also Hjulmand at Sporting as well as Kone who’s trained with the first team but I agree we need players who run like mad dogs.

Wonder who are the two PL clubs that are supposedly looking at him on loan according to Sky Sports
 
I haven't seen Madrid much this year and obviously he's struggled, but most of the times I've seen him, I've been impressed with Tchouameni. He and Ugarte would be a defensive pair, but we also could rotate them and maybe go more attacking with our wingbacks with them on the pitch. Not sure we'd be able to get the ball into midfield a ton, but we'd be better defensively for sure, and he's a better long passer than Ugarte. Could be a Carrick type signing for us.
 
We certainly aint better without him & are much worse at defending set plays, plus we’ve taken away our biggest threat on attacking set plays.
The new manager’s ability to make us worse all over the pitch is rather impressive.
 
We certainly aint better without him & are much worse at defending set plays, plus we’ve taken away our biggest threat on attacking set plays.
The new manager’s ability to make us worse all over the pitch is rather impressive.
I'll take suffering now if it will mean getting rid eventually, clubs and agents and players need to know we don't do this sort of deals anymore. 70 million and big wages for a player past his prime.
 
I'll take suffering now if it will mean getting rid eventually, clubs and agents and players need to know we don't do this sort of deals anymore. 70 million and big wages for a player past his prime.

ya ya, and we’d all be happy to get relegated cause we’re a tough club now who takes no shit.

We’re a desperate club who chases suits all Summer only to fire them months later cause they tell the peeps in charge they are heading up shit creek without a paddle.
 
We certainly aint better without him & are much worse at defending set plays, plus we’ve taken away our biggest threat on attacking set plays.
The new manager’s ability to make us worse all over the pitch is rather impressive.
I'll take suffering now if it will mean getting rid eventually, clubs and agents and players need to know we don't do this sort of deals anymore. 70 million and big wages for a player past his prime.
ya ya, and we’d all be happy to get relegated cause we’re a tough club now who takes no shit.

We’re a desperate club who chases suits all Summer only to fire them months later cause they tell the peeps in charge they are heading up shit creek without a paddle.
We're not getting relegated and we're not getting into the UCL either. We're at very early stages under the new leadership and it's not pretty at the moment, if we're happy to keep Casemiro I'll be worried.
 
I was really hoping Casemiro would try and force a move this window but it seems he’s happy to take his rediculous wage for warming the bench. I’m at the point in thinking we don’t need a replacement we just need rid. He’s offered nothing this season and costing a fortune.
 
I was really hoping Casemiro would try and force a move this window but it seems he’s happy to take his rediculous wage for warming the bench. I’m at the point in thinking we don’t need a replacement we just need rid. He’s offered nothing this season and costing a fortune.
If he doesn't fancy Saudi Arabia then dunno where else he would go? MLS?
 
Two central midfielders that are very interesting to me are Arthur Vermeeren (RB Leipzig) and Hugo Larsson (Eintracht Frankfurt). Though both will be hard to get (AV just got signed permanently from Atletico, HL has a contract until 2029 without a release clause), I would try to get them. IMO both belong to the most talented players on their position.
 
Two central midfielders that are very interesting to me are Arthur Vermeeren (RB Leipzig) and Hugo Larsson (Eintracht Frankfurt). Though both will be hard to get (AV just got signed permanently from Atletico, HL has a contract until 2029 without a release clause), I would try to get them. IMO both belong to the most talented players on their position.
I have never seen Larsson play, but Ayari looked class on sunday against us.
 
I have never seen Larsson play, but Ayari looked class on sunday against us.
Two completely different players though. I also liked Ayari's performance but I think Larsson is a better fit for our system (also quite tall with 1.87 compared to Ayari's 1.72).
 
Two central midfielders that are very interesting to me are Arthur Vermeeren (RB Leipzig) and Hugo Larsson (Eintracht Frankfurt). Though both will be hard to get (AV just got signed permanently from Atletico, HL has a contract until 2029 without a release clause), I would try to get them. IMO both belong to the most talented players on their position.
What about Stiller? I presume he is more expensive.

From what I have seen of him all being limited, seems a perfect Eriksen replacement, with vision, passing and tackling.

Or does he not have the physicality for the PL?
 
Love you lot. We aint signing no one this window. Outgoings only and as many of them as they can shove out the door. INEOS won't spend a penny on this squad in Jan.
 
Two central midfielders that are very interesting to me are Arthur Vermeeren (RB Leipzig) and Hugo Larsson (Eintracht Frankfurt). Though both will be hard to get (AV just got signed permanently from Atletico, HL has a contract until 2029 without a release clause), I would try to get them. IMO both belong to the most talented players on their position.

I've been a fan of Vermeeren since his Antwerp days, but now that Leipzig activated his clause, I don't think he's going anywhere for the next 2 years. He could come in and replace the passing that Erikksen provides. Larsson is another interesting B2B player.
 
I've been a fan of Vermeeren since his Antwerp days, but now that Leipzig activated his clause, I don't think he's going anywhere for the next 2 years. He could come in and replace the passing that Erikksen provides. Larsson is another interesting B2B player.
Yea unfortunately it looks like he'll stay at Leipzig, develop into a class player and then move for 60m+ in two years, probably to City or Liverpool.
 
Just pondering whether Hannibal and Alvaro Feenandes would have been a good Amorim type player.
Lots of players we’ve got rid of over the past year or so like Sancho, McTominay, Alvaro, Elanga, Hannibal and Kambwala would all be good Amorim type players but our problem is we’re so horrificly run at the top that we keep bringing in managers with a completely different tactical set up to the last and end up with a squad full of deadwood when what we should do is have a set United formation then bring in players to play that formation and have the head coach do the coaching.
 
Two central midfielders that are very interesting to me are Arthur Vermeeren (RB Leipzig) and Hugo Larsson (Eintracht Frankfurt). Though both will be hard to get (AV just got signed permanently from Atletico, HL has a contract until 2029 without a release clause), I would try to get them. IMO both belong to the most talented players on their position.
As a Malmö fan I’m a bit biased but Larssons development since he joined Frankfurt has been really impressive. A good box to box midfielder with great potential. I think his physique is well suited to the premier league.
 
What about Stiller? I presume he is more expensive.

From what I have seen of him all being limited, seems a perfect Eriksen replacement, with vision, passing and tackling.

Or does he not have the physicality for the PL?

Stiller would be much cheaper than Larsson I'd imagine, probably in the £35-45m range at a guess? Stuttgart aren't as strong as Frankfurt financially and he isn't tied down as long-term as Larsson is contractually (2027 rather than 2029).

He's a brilliant playmaker on the ball but I don't know if he has the motor, speed and mobility that United would want in their midfield pairing - particularly if you are looking at somebody who could also cover Ugarte when he's not playing. Stiller and Mainoo for example as a two would get completely overrun given the lack of physicality and speed at which they can press.

Larsson is a lot more well-rounded for sure so might be a better fit for Amorim's system even if he's not the level of passer.

Ederson would be my pick for United overall but is likely to be pretty expensive also and would potentially have other top suitors that United would need to compete with.
 
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As a Malmö fan I’m a bit biased but Larssons development since he joined Frankfurt has been really impressive. A good box to box midfielder with great potential. I think his physique is well suited to the premier league.
I worry he'll end up at Arsenal or City (linked to both teams) and become a strong signing for them. I hope our scouts have a look at him. Would complement both Mainoo and Ugarte, so perfect for us.
 
Its evident that the guy will stick to his contract till the very end and with Glaznoes being so skint I can't see us adding another DM to replace him while he's still here
 
Yea unfortunately it looks like he'll stay at Leipzig, develop into a class player and then move for 60m+ in two years, probably to City or Liverpool.

I can definitely see him as a CIty player in a few years time. I think we were interested at the time he went to Atletico and at that fee they paid, should've jumped in. He will be one who got away but his profile is what we should be looking for
 
Stiller would be much cheaper than Larsson I'd imagine, probably in the £35-45m range at a guess? Stuttgart aren't as strong as Frankfurt financially and he isn't tied down as long-term as Larsson is contractually (2027 rather than 2029).

He's a brilliant playmaker on the ball but I don't know if he has the motor, speed and mobility that United would want in their midfield pairing - particularly if you are looking at somebody who could also cover Ugarte when he's not playing. Stiller and Mainoo for example as a two would get completely overrun given the lack of physicality and speed at which they can press.

Larsson is a lot more well-rounded for sure so might be a better fit for Amorim's system even if he's not the level of passer.

Ederson would be my pick for United overall but is likely to be pretty expensive also and would potentially have other top suitors that United would need to compete with.

I think Stiller has the mobility but not the speed and motor which would be a worry in the PL. He may not be the Ugarte backup but rather someone who can play him with or another B2B.

Baleba should be our no1 target with Ederson a good 1B option. But Ederson will be in high demand in the summer, City have identified him as their no 1 midfield target so we may not be in a position to get him. Larsson or Dario Essugo would be a good backup option
 
I think Stiller has the mobility but not the speed and motor which would be a worry in the PL. He may not be the Ugarte backup but rather someone who can play him with or another B2B.

Baleba should be our no1 target with Ederson a good 1B option. But Ederson will be in high demand in the summer, City have identified him as their no 1 midfield target so we may not be in a position to get him. Larsson or Dario Essugo would be a good backup option

Baleba would be great as well but with there being a lot of parallel's to be drawn with Caicedo, surely Brighton will demand a similar fee. Can't see United being able to spend that on one player anytime soon. I think that one's a no-go.
 
Baleba would be great as well but with there being a lot of parallel's to be drawn with Caicedo, surely Brighton will demand a similar fee. Can't see United being able to spend that on one player anytime soon. I think that one's a no-go.

I don't think the situation is similar to Caicedo where you had a bidding war between two top clubs. Baleba will likely go for anywhere between 60-85m as I think the big clubs currently have their CMs in place. We should also monitor Tchouameni's situation at Madrid. There are signs that they could be looking to put him on the market
 
I think Stiller has the mobility but not the speed and motor which would be a worry in the PL. He may not be the Ugarte backup but rather someone who can play him with or another B2B.

Baleba should be our no1 target with Ederson a good 1B option. But Ederson will be in high demand in the summer, City have identified him as their no 1 midfield target so we may not be in a position to get him. Larsson or Dario Essugo would be a good backup option
Are any of those realistic targets that we can afford?

I would be over the moon with any of them, but with PSR lingering like a bad smell, could we realistically afford these?
 
I said it on here during 21/22 season we should be buying Declan Rice. With the midfield clearout in summer 2022 there was funds and space in the squad for a big signing like him.

Instead the club chased a player in de Jong who didnt even want to know and we end up splashing 60mill on Casimero.

Anyway I can see Casimero do a Martial and see out the rest of his contract...

No club in Europe will match the £300k a week wages he's currently earning at United.
 
I don't think the situation is similar to Caicedo where you had a bidding war between two top clubs. Baleba will likely go for anywhere between 60-85m as I think the big clubs currently have their CMs in place. We should also monitor Tchouameni's situation at Madrid. There are signs that they could be looking to put him on the market

Hasn't it been suggested that Tchouameni isn't really the right profile for us in Amorim system
 

I worry he'll end up at Arsenal or City (linked to both teams) and become a strong signing for them. I hope our scouts have a look at him. Would complement both Mainoo and Ugarte, so perfect for us.
Yeah, that is a real concern. Seeing him in a city shirt would break my heart.