Replacing Casemiro

Surely Casemiro's replacement would need to be £40m or less, we have too many holes to fill to spend any more?
 
Surely Casemiro's replacement would need to be £40m or less, we have too many holes to fill to spend any more?
Need to either find the next Baleba or Ugochukwu from Ligue 1 or an experienced head on the cheap / free.
 
Are any of those realistic targets that we can afford?

I would be over the moon with any of them, but with PSR lingering like a bad smell, could we realistically afford these?

We could easily afford Stiller, Essugo and Larsson. They are not likely to cost more than 35-40m, with Essugo probably even cheaper than that.

Baleba and Ederson will be the more expensive purchases but will depend on which other key positions we will target. We could afford Ederson unless City gets us into a bidding war. Baleba will be the most expensive and may be out of reach for now considering our other needs.
 
Hasn't it been suggested that Tchouameni isn't really the right profile for us in Amorim system

Why not? He's a better DM than Ugarte and at Bordeaux and Monaco, he played as a B2B player. I think his profile would suit Amorim's system well of having 2 hardworking midfielders. Tchouameni also has a much better pass on him than Ugarte.
 
We could easily afford Stiller, Essugo and Larsson. They are not likely to cost more than 35-40m, with Essugo probably even cheaper than that.

Baleba and Ederson will be the more expensive purchases but will depend on which other key positions we will target. We could afford Ederson unless City gets us into a bidding war. Baleba will be the most expensive and may be out of reach for now considering our other needs.
I did watch a bit of Larsson yesterday, while it was halftime, very imposing figures, looks like a great change of pace, looked composed playing 1 2s.

Did like the look of him, I don’t know why I just really like Stiller, think he’s our eriksen replacement, athleticism wise I don’t know if he’s the right man, but the scousers have been linked with him.
 
Why not? He's a better DM than Ugarte and at Bordeaux and Monaco, he played as a B2B player. I think his profile would suit Amorim's system well of having 2 hardworking midfielders. Tchouameni also has a much better pass on him than Ugarte.

I agree with you, however there is also the matter of us not being a very attractive proposition right now. So why would he want to leave Real for this.
 
Agreed on this one. I doubt we’ll be able to afford him/willing to pay the sort of fee it would require.
Agreed, and also, unfortunately, accept the second part is accurate as well.

Would be great though, if we somehow were to throw a ridiculous amount of money on a young (potential) superstar.
 
Lots of players we’ve got rid of over the past year or so like Sancho, McTominay, Alvaro, Elanga, Hannibal and Kambwala would all be good Amorim type players but our problem is we’re so horrificly run at the top that we keep bringing in managers with a completely different tactical set up to the last and end up with a squad full of deadwood when what we should do is have a set United formation then bring in players to play that formation and have the head coach do the coaching.
Disagree strongly with the bold. The three remaining, McTominay, Alvaro, and Elanga are maybe's, at best.

Alvaro would be one million miles better than Diego Dalot, and Malacia, and whoever else has played LWB for us, that is true, but that is a very low bar. Elanga, I think, is benefiting from the extended run in a team that he probably wouldn't have gotten at any so-called big club.

And who am I kidding, Scotty McT would have destroyed in this system.
 
I agree with you, however there is also the matter of us not being a very attractive proposition right now. So why would he want to leave Real for this.
Unfortunately true. Surely if he were willing to leave there would be teams superior to us that would be interested.
 
Disagree strongly with the bold. The three remaining, McTominay, Alvaro, and Elanga are maybe's, at best.

Alvaro would be one million miles better than Diego Dalot, and Malacia, and whoever else has played LWB for us, that is true, but that is a very low bar. Elanga, I think, is benefiting from the extended run in a team that he probably wouldn't have gotten at any so-called big club.

And who am I kidding, Scotty McT would have destroyed in this system.
Sancho as a personality wouldn’t because much like Rashford he apparently has serious problems in training and motivation but Sancho the player as a wide 10 is pretty much perfect for that role in an Amorim system, Kambwala on the right side of a back three would also be a good fit as back up to Yoro whilst Elanga would be a good right wing back.

As a box to box midfielder in the two McTominay would do well in Amorim’s 3-4-2-1 as a squad player although now with Collyer playing that role is pretty much covered and the only thing we miss with McTominay is his ability to chip in with goals, Alvaro would be an insane upgrade on what we’ve had this season.
 
I did watch a bit of Larsson yesterday, while it was halftime, very imposing figures, looks like a great change of pace, looked composed playing 1 2s.

Did like the look of him, I don’t know why I just really like Stiller, think he’s our eriksen replacement, athleticism wise I don’t know if he’s the right man, but the scousers have been linked with him.


What I like about Larson as well, is that he could complement both Mainoo and Ugarte. He brings height to the midfield as well. Frankfurt has handled his development well and he will continue to get better and better.

Someone is going to pick up a really good player in Stiller, hope it’s us
 
I agree with you, however there is also the matter of us not being a very attractive proposition right now. So why would he want to leave Real for this.


If Real pushed him out, there might not be ton of options as some of the other big clubs have their DMs sorted. Liverpool don’t but he doesn’t suit the profile Slot wants
 


As good a ready made Casemiro replacement as we'll find in January tbh
 
Ugarte was the replacement for Casemiro and now Collyer is back up to Ugarte...what is so hard about that.
 
Ugarte was the replacement for Casemiro and now Collyer is back up to Ugarte...what is so hard about that.
Indeed.

This is clearly what is happening in front of our eyes - Ugarte is our starting DMF, Collyer regularly backs him up. Reading between the lines, and considering how many other priorities we have, while constantly complaining about having no money, it would be very surprising if United "replaced" Casemiro i.e. brought a new DMF
 
Doesn’t Casemiro have to leave before he’s replaced? There doesn’t seem to be any sign of that actually happening. My guess is that he’s quite content to sit and collect a paycheck that he won’t get at any other team in the world. He’s won everything possible at club level. He’s in it for the cash at this point. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t just run his contact out, even if he’s frozen out.
 
Doesn’t Casemiro have to leave before he’s replaced? There doesn’t seem to be any sign of that actually happening. My guess is that he’s quite content to sit and collect a paycheck that he won’t get at any other team in the world. He’s won everything possible at club level. He’s in it for the cash at this point. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t just run his contact out, even if he’s frozen out.
He is stinking the place out now but at least he can say he is making the bench so he probably gives his all in training but is not up to scratch compared to the other midfielders.
Casemiro struggled before Ruben and it looks like the physical expectations have been lifted since then so he has no hope!
 
We someone to dictate the game not a Casemiro replacement. We’ve needed that for ages and it would complement Ugarte and Mainoo. Ideally someone who can carry the ball a distance too but you rarely can have everything. High quality passing is lacking in our midfield.
 
Looks like we've already replaced him with Collyer for now. Depending on how the rest of season goes, we can get an upgrade on him and have Collyer be the "5th" option or buy/promote a 5th Option.
 
We still need a starting CM partner to Ugarte next season. Collyer will be a rotation option and with Mainoo perhaps rotating between #10 and CM.

Profile we need is someone who can both cover ground but also dictate play. Like a Rodri.
 
We still need a starting CM partner to Ugarte next season. Collyer will be a rotation option and with Mainoo perhaps rotating between #10 and CM.

Profile we need is someone who can both cover ground but also dictate play. Like a Rodri.
Unfortunately there’s only one Rodri. Like a Keane in his era.
 
Christ only feels likes yesterday we signed him. Yet we all knew this day would come quickly. He gave everything for Real Madrid, Man Utd was the last big payday plan.
 
Unfortunately there’s only one Rodri. Like a Keane in his era.
Would anyone have said Vitinha after his loan at Wolves was going to be the player he is now?

There are players out there, our scouts have to find them.
 
Was Carrick always that good? Cause I remember fans nearly rioting when we got him. Was Gaz so good at the early stages of his career? Was Keane the absolute legend we learnt to love when he was still playing at Nottingham Forest? The answer is no. What happened is that we went for a young player with the right characteristics/attitude, we then paired them with players who could show them the way (Robson, Pally and co) and then we gave them game time until they became good.

It's pretty evident that Casemiro will bleed the club on his way out. Saudi doesn't want him, he's on a silly salary and the only clubs who might be interested in him will expect us to fork most of his salary ourselves. Considering the financial mess we're in and the many positions we need to fill then there's hardly any money left to spend in on a DM cover for Ugarte. Which makes me wonder. Why can't Collyer be considered for the role? He's 21 which means that he's got plenty of gas left in his tank, he's quite combative and hard working. Will he commit mistakes? Of course he will. However United aren't expected to win the EPL next season thus we can afford to give game time to the likes of Collyer and Kone who will mature by the time we're competing again for the top trophies.
 
Christ only feels likes yesterday we signed him. Yet we all knew this day would come quickly. He gave everything for Real Madrid, Man Utd was the last big payday plan.

What did you expect? We spent 70m on a 30 year old DM and then we went on giving him a 4 year contract. DMs are heavily reliant on work rate and yet we foolishly believed that a 30 year old DM whose got more wear and tear then a Hawker Hurricane plane after WW2 will be our top player for 4 more years while playing in the most physical, fast paced and demanding league in the world. That's silly on so many levels.

We really need to go back to the basics. For example a DM that can't run, a goalkeeper that can't save a shot or a striker that is not cynical in front of goal are as useful as bull tits.
 
Christ only feels likes yesterday we signed him. Yet we all knew this day would come quickly. He gave everything for Real Madrid, Man Utd was the last big payday plan.
Harsh.

Thought he was very good - and very committed - in his first season. From the outside he seems to have remained professional even though his legs can't do it like they could. Madrid are expert sellers, they'd have known he only had one more big season in him and cashed in at the right time.
 
Harsh.

Thought he was very good - and very committed - in his first season. From the outside he seems to have remained professional even though his legs can't do it like they could. Madrid are expert sellers, they'd have known he only had one more big season in him and cashed in at the right time.
Of course they knew his legs were going, it was the idiot Murtough and others including ETH were blind to the obvious. A two year deal on sensible wages might just have made sense, but wasted money we could have spent on Rice or someone similar.
 
Harsh.

Thought he was very good - and very committed - in his first season. From the outside he seems to have remained professional even though his legs can't do it like they could. Madrid are expert sellers, they'd have known he only had one more big season in him and cashed in at the right time.

I lived at the golden age of DMs I saw the likes of Rijkaard, Robson and Matthaus play who were a shoulder above Keane in terms of talent. Then there was the likes of Keane, Ince, Redondo and Vieira etc. All of them were beaten by grand father's time.

Real Madrid weren't expert sellers. We were simply stupid to buy a 30 year old DM with more mileage then a New York Taxi for 70m + a 4 year contract on 18m+ a year. Casemiro himself admitted that Real Madrid was planning to phase him out and that United's offer was simply too good for either Real or himself to refuse. There's also zero professionalism in sticking to one's contract. That's his last paycheck and someone as experienced as Casemiro will just lay low, pocket that money in peace while staying as much away from the limelight/criticism as humanely possible
 
I lived at the golden age of DMs I saw the likes of Rijkaard, Robson and Matthaus play who were a shoulder above Keane in terms of talent. Then there was the likes of Keane, Ince, Redondo and Vieira etc. All of them were beaten by grand father's time.

Real Madrid weren't expert sellers. We were simply stupid to buy a 30 year old DM with more mileage then a New York Taxi for 70m + a 4 year contract on 18m+ a year. Casemiro himself admitted that Real Madrid was planning to phase him out and that United's offer was simply too good for either Real or himself to refuse. There's also zero professionalism in sticking to one's contract. That's his last paycheck and someone as experienced as Casemiro will just lay low, pocket that money in peace while staying as much away from the limelight/criticism as humanely possible
Sorry I have read that through twice and I can't get to grips with what you're trying to say. I'll be reading it wrong but you seem to be fighting against yourself.

I'll stab at what you're saying and say that United being stupid enough to do the deal doesn't impact on Casemiro. Keane's made reference to it a few times that he should have sat on his bumper United deal longer, even if Ferguson didn't play him.

Also it depends what you believe doesn't it. Some reports, even the Athletic I think, said that Casemiro could have gone to Saudi last January or in the Summer for more money but wanted to stay at the highest level as long as he could.
 
Sorry I have read that through twice and I can't get to grips with what you're trying to say. I'll be reading it wrong but you seem to be fighting against yourself.

I'll stab at what you're saying and say that United being stupid enough to do the deal doesn't impact on Casemiro. Keane's made reference to it a few times that he should have sat on his bumper United deal longer, even if Ferguson didn't play him.

Also it depends what you believe doesn't it. Some reports, even the Athletic I think, said that Casemiro could have gone to Saudi last January or in the Summer for more money but wanted to stay at the highest level as long as he could.

My point is that buying a 30 year old DM for 70m while giving him a 4 year contract on 350k a week is stupid. DMs rely on work rate and legs are usually the first to go in football.

Why should Casemiro go to Saudi? He would probably get a small increase in salary (Toney is on 400k, Casemiro is on 350k and Duran will be on 300k) but will be expected to play week in week out. The risk of permanent injury for someone with his mileage is real. Its easier for him to stick to the current contract and do most of the action on twitter posting "Come one Man United or Well Done Man United"
 
My point is that buying a 30 year old DM for 70m while giving him a 4 year contract on 350k a week is stupid. DMs rely on work rate and legs are usually the first to go in football.

Why should Casemiro go to Saudi? He would probably get a small increase in salary (Toney is on 400k, Casemiro is on 350k and Duran will be on 300k) but will be expected to play week in week out. The risk of permanent injury for someone with his mileage is real. Its easier for him to stick to the current contract and do most of the action on twitter posting "Come one Man United or Well Done Man United"

Yes - your point is understandable. I think in the summer he will only have 1 year on his contract so if Saudi can offer him 2 years, it makes sense for him to go. Also - if he doesn’t play at all (like his current situation), then he willl struggle to find a club when his current deal expires in 2026. Alternatively, he may decide that the money he will get from Man Utd is good enough for him and be happy to sit on the bench till 2026 and then retire.