Replacing the staff that just left the club and building a more robust structure

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Ruben Amorim, unlike Erik ten Hag, arrived with a large crew from Sporting. One area where Amorim and his staff have received a lot of praise is injury prevention and fitness, and it’s easy to see why someone like Paulo Barreira could bring huge value.

But is this constant turnover of specialist staff actually healthy for the club? It probably takes a guy like Barreira a full year to really get to know the players' bodies and injury histories. I can’t think of many other businesses, or even other sports, that operate like this. In the NFL, NBA, or NHL, the medical and "high performance" teams are usually permanent club staff. A new head coach might bring his tactical assistants, but the people responsible for the players' health stay put. They hold the data and the "institutional memory" of the athletes.

We’ve seen this work in football before aswell. The legendary Liverpool "Boot Room" from Shankly to Dalglish was built on internal continuity. When a manager left, the knowledge stayed. AC Milan did something similar when they transitioned from Arrigo Sacchi to Fabio Capello; the club's structure and core philosophy remained even as the man at the top changed.

In the business world, investors often see it as a major red flag if an organization is forced to hire external talent for every senior role. It usually indicates a failure in internal development and a lack of a clear, long-term culture. A truly great organization builds a pipeline so that when a leader leaves, there is someone ready to step up who already knows the system.

Manchester United seems to be doing the opposite. Every three years, we "reset" the entire department.

Look at Brentford. They recently promoted their own set-piece coach because the system is bigger than one man. They don't need a "savior" to bring a new army; they just need a coach to plug into their high-functioning machine.

After a decade of failed "elite managers" (at least based on cost) hires, maybe the strategy needs to change. Should we focus on young, elite coaches, like Kieran McKenna, who are willing to be part of a team the club has built? Solskjaer was never considered an young, very talented coach, but he did not do worse than those that was.

If the club owns the medical, fitness, and set-piece departments, it empowers everyone, from a new head coach to a caretaker like Darren Fletcher. It ensures that when a manager eventually leaves, the foundation doesn’t leave with them.
 
I think this is the direction the club should go.

But a downside is it would probably mean missing out on some (maybe the best available) managers who would only agree to come if they're allowed to bring all their own staff with them. Let's say someone in the same tier as Klopp or Pep was out of work but United won't hire him because he wants his own medical/fitness people too.

Also if a manager had only been allowed to bring a few of his backroom staff, that would be used as an excuse when he failed. "Mount wouldn't be injured so often if that other guy was overseeing his fitness"
 
You are talking a lot of sense and ultimately part of the success of long term footballing structures due to the continuity of off pitch resources!
 
A manager will always bring some of their own staff, but yes, I think we need to move away from all Portuguese/Dutch staff. Mitten spoke about how the last lot were a very closed circle and that doesn't feel like a great approach.
 
I'm concerned about this as well. Amorim's team was quite successful in working with the injury prone players like Mount and Shaw. Will we be back to square one now with Amorim gone? Same goes for the set piece coach, we have doing well with those this season so losing the set piece coach will be a blow.
 
I'm concerned about this as well. Amorim's team was quite successful in working with the injury prone players like Mount and Shaw. Will we be back to square one now with Amorim gone? Same goes for the set piece coach, we have doing well with those this season so losing the set piece coach will be a blow.

Mount and Shaws united careers have the writing on the wall anyway.

I agree - the set piece coach did a good job.

Unpopular opinion probably but we f*cked it with not keeping Ashworth. I think he'd of set us up this way.
 
I'm concerned about this as well. Amorim's team was quite successful in working with the injury prone players like Mount and Shaw. Will we be back to square one now with Amorim gone? Same goes for the set piece coach, we have doing well with those this season so losing the set piece coach will be a blow.
Was this down to Amorim and his coaches, or our heavily revamped medical department working like a medical department should?
 
Was this down to Amorim and his coaches, or our heavily revamped medical department working like a medical department should?
And or the reduced load in terms of schedule as well. I think the OP makes a few very good points though. This kind of knowledge should be held by the club. Even if a manager insists to bring his own guy for it as well.
 
And or the reduced load in terms of schedule as well. I think the OP makes a few very good points though. This kind of knowledge should be held by the club. Even if a manager insists to bring his own guy for it as well.
This is also going to be playing a role too.

I agree.
 
Was this down to Amorim and his coaches, or our heavily revamped medical department working like a medical department should?

I'm not sure about this myself, would appreciate if someone could throw some light into this. I just remember reading that Amorim's crew were good at injury management. Paulo Barreira in particular, the fitness coach, who has a PhD in hamstring injury prevention we will probably miss.

Given the number of minutes Mount and Shaw have already gotten this season, and our average number of injured players in general, I'd say someone had been doing the job right so far.
 
https://www.ft.com/content/45770f2c-c308-463e-9b8d-6d30bbeec5a9

I found this article interesting. If it is behind a pay wall:

In their book Soccernomics, FT columnist Simon Kuper and economics professor Simon Szymanski ran through several data sets on English football in an effort to quantify the importance of a manager when it comes to results. The findings were stark. On their reckoning, just 1 in 10 football managers had a statistically significant positive impact on points won.

(...)

From Soccernomics: The general obsession with managers is a version of the “great man” theory of history, the idea that prominent individuals cause historical change. Academic historians binned this theory decades ago.

(...)

As Twenty First Group, a data-driven sports consultancy, points out, that may be where the problem lies.Our research shows that a coach’s past success rarely predicts future performance. What matters far more is the environment they inherit — the systems, clarity, and decision-making structures of the club. Without the right organisational conditions, even elite coaches struggle. Change the coach without changing the conditions, and history tends to repeat itself.

(...)

The forte of most managers is not winning matches but keeping the interest groups in and around the club (players, board, fans, media, sponsors) united behind them. That’s why so many managers are charismatic.



If this is the case, why pay huuuuge money to "elite managers" that you will end up paying even more money to fire every second year? Dont make much sense. You also end up losing so much information every time you have to change the "manager/head coach". Its a waste of resources.
 
I'm not sure about this myself, would appreciate if someone could throw some light into this. I just remember reading that Amorim's crew were good at injury management. Paulo Barreira in particular, the fitness coach, who has a PhD in hamstring injury prevention we will probably miss.

Given the number of minutes Mount and Shaw have already gotten this season, and our average number of injured players in general, I'd say someone had been doing the job right so far.

I guess time will tell. It could of course be the combination of all three (coaches, medical department, schedule). You'd like to think with the investment in our medial department it has at least made some difference though.
 
Probably what should be done. But most coaches come with a team of people they're used to working with, know and trust their opinions in a lot of areas.

Makes sense for the club to have it's own department to look after player welfare, fitness programmes, diets, medical department etc.

I think Bayern wouldn't let Pep bring in his vitman man and blood doctor. Which led to him falling out with the medical team, who returned once he left.
 
https://www.ft.com/content/45770f2c-c308-463e-9b8d-6d30bbeec5a9

I found this article interesting. If it is behind a pay wall:

In their book Soccernomics, FT columnist Simon Kuper and economics professor Simon Szymanski ran through several data sets on English football in an effort to quantify the importance of a manager when it comes to results. The findings were stark. On their reckoning, just 1 in 10 football managers had a statistically significant positive impact on points won.

(...)

From Soccernomics: The general obsession with managers is a version of the “great man” theory of history, the idea that prominent individuals cause historical change. Academic historians binned this theory decades ago.

(...)

As Twenty First Group, a data-driven sports consultancy, points out, that may be where the problem lies.Our research shows that a coach’s past success rarely predicts future performance. What matters far more is the environment they inherit — the systems, clarity, and decision-making structures of the club. Without the right organisational conditions, even elite coaches struggle. Change the coach without changing the conditions, and history tends to repeat itself.

(...)

The forte of most managers is not winning matches but keeping the interest groups in and around the club (players, board, fans, media, sponsors) united behind them. That’s why so many managers are charismatic.



If this is the case, why pay huuuuge money to "elite managers" that you will end up paying even more money to fire every second year? Dont make much sense. You also end up losing so much information every time you have to change the "manager/head coach". Its a waste of resources.
Thats very interesting and would explain a lot. Thanks for sharing. Will try to get a hold of that book