Richard Arnold secretly filmed whilst speaking to supporters

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So of the 6-8 people that seemed to be at that “meeting” one thinks it went really well, one’s been ranting about how it was all PR spiel, one of them leaked the plan which caused Arnold to come to the pub and the one who filmed it has been kicked out for chasing twitter clout by another one who has also been kicked out for being a massive racist.

So it’s going well

They're the fecking stonecutters :lol:
 

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The fact that Arnold was made aware ahead of time, I have no doubt he would have spoken to one of the Glazers to get some kind of clearance perhaps.

Even if you're CEO, you don't say some of those things without some kind of clearance from the owners I feel.
Not sure - they did seem like unguarded comments.

Nobody at the club has admitted that the sponsors are disgruntled about the protests before, have they? He also admitted that the club needs external investment, as they can't afford infrastructure projects themselves and said that they want to do "a new stadium" (a phrase he repeated three times). The latter could have been a slip of the tongue, rather than him genuinely revealing that the Glazers really are looking at a new stadium (rather than a refurbished OT), but some interesting titbits nonetheless.
 

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Not sure - they did seem like unguarded comments.

Nobody at the club has admitted that the sponsors are disgruntled about the protests before, have they? He also admitted that the club needs external investment, as they can't afford infrastructure projects themselves and said that they want to do "a new stadium" (a phrase he repeated three times). The latter could have been a slip of the tongue, rather than him genuinely revealing that the Glazers really are looking at a new stadium (rather than a refurbished OT), but some interesting titbits nonetheless.
That's just common sense, but this kind of thing has to be explained to the brain dead LUHG twatter tool!
 

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Is not / isn't

Don't lower to their standards.
Heh - fair enough.

At first I thought you were disputing the claim itself - as in, it is not him.

(Or should that be: it is not he, strictly (grammatically) speaking? I think it might be. "It" is only a temporary or dummy subject, whereas "he" is the actual subject: turn it around and you get: he is not it (meaning: he is not the person in the picture.)
 

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The fact that Arnold was made aware ahead of time, I have no doubt he would have spoken to one of the Glazers to get some kind of clearance perhaps.

Even if you're CEO, you don't say some of those things without some kind of clearance from the owners I feel.
Nah. At a certain level, you are trusted to do your thing. CEO is well past that point.
 

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They're the fecking stonecutters :lol:

Who controls the mobile phone?
Who lets the other protests down?
We do, we do
Who keeps a pub off the maps?
Who keeps our members under wraps?
We do, we do
Who holds race relations back?
Who makes Richard Arnold a star?
We do, we do
 

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So of the 6-8 people that seemed to be at that “meeting” one thinks it went really well, one’s been ranting about how it was all PR spiel, one of them leaked the plan which caused Arnold to come to the pub and the one who filmed it has been kicked out for chasing twitter clout by another one who has also been kicked out for being a massive racist.

So it’s going well
They come across like a group of uneducated, inbred twats tbh. The whole thing is shambolic and embarassing from them.
 

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Who controls the mobile phone?
Who lets the other protests down?
We do, we do
Who keeps a pub off the maps?
Who keeps our members under wraps?
We do, we do
Who holds race relations back?
Who makes Richard Arnold a star?
We do, we do
:lol:
 

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Anyway, the ones who went out there to protest (outside A's house) weren't part of one and the same group: the guy who filmed it on his phone wasn't a "58" member (I don't know how you get to be a member - I imagine it has something to do with being smacked on the arse with a paddle), unlike the guy who has now been outed as a racist.

It's all pretty interesting - or not.

Some of these guys are apparently old Red Issue types - I dunno how that works, exactly. But there's a connection there, it seems.
 

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My take is the only way Woodward ended there was as an investment banker that orchestrated a leveraged buyout. Nothing to do with football. No other club would ever take him as his only attributes are rather useless.

Conversely, Richard Arnold fronted and executed a sensational commercial strategy which has bankrolled the club throughout and you can feel his pain at how we wasted all that money and, undoubtedly has had his work cut out keeping us up there in the revenue rankings despite our performances.

One thing my mates have told me before and absolutely makes sense is: "Real, Barcelona, Chelsea, City... they all wanted -some even still need- to replicate what we were doing. We have been targeted by headhunters, you think Arnold didn't? You think the Sheikh's can't offer him insanse terms? You think Roman didn't try buy him like he bought Kenyon? And yet, he is still there".

We should all be assuming we are dealing with someone who 100% has the club's best interests at heart. It's better than we've had for almost a decade.
Yes, I think I agree- though maybe a bit jaded through years of disastrous appointments. We've learned to expect the worst.
 

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You know what the funny thing is about “claiming our club back” is?

They’ll never “have” the club.

The Glazers could leave and sell to some other rich businessmen. So again, not having the club for themselves.

You can’t claim what you never had and when it was PLC the fans never owned enough to own the club when it was available to us.

What is it they actually want then?
 

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You know what the funny thing is about “claiming our club back” is?

They’ll never “have” the club.

The Glazers could leave and sell to some other rich businessmen. So again, not having the club for themselves.

You can’t claim what you never had and when it was PLC the fans never owned enough to own the club when it was available to us.

What is it they actually want then?
The German model but honest to god, could you imagine these plankton involved making decisions for the club?
 

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What is it they actually want then?
The more reasonable among the "Glazers out" fans want - gradually - more fan input. Ideally, a situation where actual fan ownership could make a difference (selling shares with voting rights to fans - in some shape or form). That would be a long-term goal (obviously).

Short-term, they want more transparency and more communication (the Glazers have been notoriously distant and pretty much incommunicado).

However, I don't think people who show up at the homes of people like Arnold and Woodward are "reasonable" fans. There's a segment of fans who seem to think that "Glazers out" is some kind of achievable (short-term) end in and of itself. And those fans do not seem to know exactly what they want - meaning, they don't actually have any realistic alternative to "Glazers out": they just shout and carry banners (mum's sheets, as someone aptly said above), seemingly believing that it's possible to "sack" the owners the way you would sack a manager.
 

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Clearly protesting at a guy’s private residence is within their core values.
Why is protesting legally outside a person's residence wrong? Is it illegal on a public street in UK?
Went through their Twitter page and I'm surprised why United fans don't get behind them. They are literally organizing a targeted and seemingly legal attack on the sponsors who prop up a regime that you hate. This is literally how Liverpool fans pressured their previous regime to sell - sponsors started to pull out and new ones avoided signing on as their social media was filled with negative comments and that further drove to damage the previous regime's finances.
Is this illegal in the UK? How did Pool fans do this?

In every group there will be a few racists/sexists/homophobes. The important thing is to remove such people and get behind the idea. Martin Luther King was absolutely clear that women did not belong in the workplace and that homosexuality was a sin. Yet people got behind his idea of racial solidarity.

Please note: this is the reality of your owners - and it goes way beyond football or partisan fans:
https://www.12up.com/posts/court-fi...om-environmental-disaster-relief-01dbxrw427b4
 

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Who controls the mobile phone?
Who lets the other protests down?
We do, we do
Who keeps a pub off the maps?
Who keeps our members under wraps?
We do, we do
Who holds race relations back?
Who makes Richard Arnold a star?
We do, we do
:lol:
 

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Why is protesting legally outside a person's residence wrong?
Because you target the individual and not his role or function.

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - he has done which warrants bothering (potentially scaring/upsetting) his family.

This goes for even the most despicable politician, as far as I'm concerned. So, it obviously goes for the CEO of a football club.
 

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How so?

Fan own a percentage of the club, cheaper ticket prices etc etc...
Outside of Bayern, not a single club is competitive in Europe in the transfer market or the CL.

Fans want to win trophies, not own 50%. We can’t even agree on this forum what’s best for the club, imagine what would happen to the club if we owned 50%? We have to accept that there’s a bunch of United fans who just have a problem with establishment and don’t trust any authority, regardless who’s in charge or who owns the other 50%.
 

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Did our CEO disclose our transfer budget to some random blokes where we are haggling with Barca over FDJ? Wow, that’s next level incompetence for me.

However, hats off for Arnold having courage to face the fans face to face,
 

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I watched the videos post by that twitter guy, I didn't find any video where he said "We have 200 million budget".
 

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Because you target the individual and not his role or function.

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - he has done which warrants bothering (potentially scaring/upsetting) his family.

This goes for even the most despicable politician, as far as I'm concerned. So, it obviously goes for the CEO of a football club.
Precisely. Protest outside Old Trafford, Carrington or the clubs offices in London only thing protesting outside Arnold's house was ever going to achieve was to scare his family and get a talking to from the police. These are 30/40/50 year old men you'd think they would have more sense.
 

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I think he said it as an example if I heard right. "say a hundred, one fifty, two hundred million" or something like that. They're just looking for followers by exaggerating everything he said.
Yeah that's how I remember too, he said money is not a problem when talking about De jong, somehow that got translated to "We have 200 million budget" "Arnold is an idiot for saying we have 200 million, now Barca will ask more".
 

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These are 30/40/50 year old men you'd think they would have more sense.
I don't want to generalize. But - and this is, of course, anecdotal so take it as such - I know people who never moved on.

I'm not talking about buying a house and having a couple of kids. I never did that myself. But I did stop getting pissed out of my head every bloody Friday and Saturday. And I did stop treating football as the most important thing in the world.

But some never did (and that - sadly - includes people who actually did buy a house and have a couple of kids).

I know people who are now pushing fifty who are as mature as a 17 year old - not least after a pint or two.

Again - I genuinely do not want to generalize. But I think that at least some of the people who are attracted to "taking action" in the form of this sort of "protest" belong to the category I described above. They're immature idiots - close to fifty, but immature idiots who have never properly reflected on what the feck they're doing with their lives.
 

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I don't want to generalize. But - and this is, of course, anecdotal so take it as such - I know people who never moved on.

I'm not talking about buying a house and having a couple of kids. I never did that myself. But I did stop getting pissed out of my head every bloody Friday and Saturday. And I did stop treating football as the most important thing in the world.

But some never did (and that - sadly - includes people who actually did buy a house and have a couple of kids).

I know people who are now pushing fifty who are as mature as a 17 year old - not least after a pint or two.

Again - I genuinely do not want to generalize. But I think that at least some of the people who are attracted to "taking action" in the form of this sort of "protest" belong to the category I described above. They're immature idiots - close to fifty, but immature idiots who have never properly reflected on what the feck they're doing with their lives.
I think it gives them a sense of self worth perhaps? they're fighting for a cause bigger than themselves, or something along those lines.

They probably feel super empowered by this reaching national news levels.
 

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Did our CEO disclose our transfer budget to some random blokes where we are haggling with Barca over FDJ? Wow, that’s next level incompetence for me.

However, hats off for Arnold having courage to face the fans face to face,
He did no such thing. He said said the money was there to spend and these muppets started throwing numbers around
 

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I think it gives them a sense of self worth perhaps? they're fighting for a cause bigger than themselves, or something along those lines.
Yes - and...well, we all need that: self worth. I don't want to judge them like some high-horse twat.

But it's just...misguided. If you really want to confirm yourself by fighting for a bigger cause, there are so many things you could do that would be better and more productive than this.

I think it's their comfort zone, to be brutally honest. They've been doing this (getting confirmation from their peers, being part of a tribe, nothing truly important on the line apart from the objectively trivial shite they've dedicated themselves to because that's what the older boys did) since they started drinking at the age of 13...oh, I'm rambling, and I'm probably being overly harsh, but there you go: I do know the type (I could have very easily been one of them myself).
 

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Yes - and...well, we all need that: self worth. I don't want to judge them like some high-horse twat.

But it's just...misguided. If you really want to confirm yourself by fighting for a bigger cause, there are so many things you could do that would be better and more productive than this.

I think it's their comfort zone, to be brutally honest. They've been doing this (getting confirmation from their peers, being part of a tribe, nothing truly important on the line apart from the objectively trivial shite they've dedicated themselves to because that's what the older boys did) since they started drinking at the age of 13...oh, I'm rambling, and I'm probably being overly harsh, but there you go: I do know the type (I could have very easily been one of them myself).
You’re not rambling mate, you’re spot on.