Something unexpected in that clip
He needs service. He did well when he left.
He had a lot of chances but people are completely rewritting history to suit their agenda.
True. Chicharito had been given plenty of chances to prove himself, more often than not he let people down. He proved many times that he wasn't capable to be a regular starter with his poor centre forward play, yet he still moaned about being a sub week in week out. Didn't miss him at all when he left.He had a lot of chances but people are completely rewritting history to suit their agenda.
The game vs Club Brugge was the final nail in the coffin. One of the worst striker performances in the last 10 years
Missed numerous chances, his first touch was letting him down and then he had the balls to take the penalty which he then also missed and the LvG Giggs meme was born.
They were not good enough and were rightly sold
Ah yes and we became a much better team as a result.
Saha. I liked Chicha but Saha was levels above. But for injuries Saha would have been World class in my opinion.
That's the one and against Chelsea too that springs to mind. Amazing finisher and great strength of character. Solskjær was more rounded, but Chicha was our Solskjær of the 2010s
I'm with you on this. I also didn't consider him a top finisher as many have stated in his thread. Thought his finishing was pretty scruffy tbh. The only exceptional quality he had in my eyes was his movement. Wasn't overly fussed when he left. Didn't have anywhere the overall quality required to be our starting central striker. Useful option off the bench - no more than that for me.
I agree, I think he’s overrated based on playing in a great team with some fantastic players. He’s also a highly likeable character as well which tends to alter people’s views. Overall, it was the right time to get rid and he never proved us wrong elsewhere.
Phil Jones has: 27 International matches for England. 233 matches for Manchester United (All club stages, including reserves and U21). He has 163 Premier League appearances for the club between 11/12 and 18/19. He only lost his squad position this year. On that note there is every chance he can fully reclaim any form he had, he's only 28 despite having been here forever. Phil Jones has on top of everything won the Premier League as a regular starter, the Europa League and FA cup.
What the feck? You do realise he was on average on at least 100k a week in last ten years here, and he did feck all in that time, who would complain about that,
He isn't supposed to complain, he drives a fecking Lamborghini Urus and plays about 20 games a season, in a team that is underperforming for years anyway. Everywhere else he would a goner long time ago, and yet you dare to say that he gets a testimonial.
Doesn't matter what team we had after, none of them were starting quality and they were rightfully sold.
Saha
Without the injuries it would almost certainly have been Saha but the answer to the question is Chicharito. His 10/11 season edges Saha’s calendar year of 2006 and when you also consider how good Hernandez was in 12/13 he is clear of Saha for me for contribution to United.
Agree. Chicharito missed plenty of golden chances, mainly down to his poor technique. He wasted so many 1-on-1s because he lacked the ability and composure to go round or lob the keeper. Frankly Welbeck was a better finisher than him.
Welbeck a better finisher? Oh dear.
Yeah I know it isn't his thread but credit to Jones for never piping up or mouthing off in the press during all his time here and the periods of very strong criticism he's faced
I can't think of a worse finisher in the history of the club than Welbeck.
Same. I’m struggling to think of another striker we’ve had in modern times who was a worse finisher than Welbeck. Unless it’s someone like Dong but that’s such a low bar! Unbelievable post.
Welbeck was a terrible finisher when he first broke into the first team. But he worked hard and he improved a lot after that. Just look at how he placed his shots and dinked the ball over the keeper by 13/14, a poor finisher could never do that. It's a shame people stick to the label and refuse to appreciate his effort.
You’ve hit on it, the “modern striker” issue. He would have been dynamite especially in a mobile 2 or even a little and large 2 in the late 90s to early 00s.
Nani won the Euros.
Is anyone questioning Welbeck's effort? If anything, that was what kept him at the club for so long. The fact was he didn't have the necessary quality to back up his hard work and effort. Yes he had the occasional good finish, but the enduring memory of Welbeck was of a striker who was unreliable and ended up playing out in wider positions because he offered next to no goal threat but would work hard and was disciplined and could put in a shift. A great guy with a quality attitude but given the choice between him and Hernandez up front I think the overwhelming majority of people would opt for the Mexican. Welbeck was capable of scoring extraordinary goals, no question, but sadly he was more likely to screw up simple chances at big moments in key games than most.
Yes, Chicharito was good at scoring goals, that's it and you've said it yourself. This had nothing to do with whether he's a good forward or rated by managers at all. Fact is, he had played under 9 different managers in club level from 2010 to 2020, among them only Schmidt and Bilic considered him as a regular starter despite his incredible scoring record. It seems even professional managers don't value his minutes per goal stat after all.
Then I'm sorry to say the overwhelming majority of people don't know football at all. When both Welbeck and Chicharito were available, Fergie, Moyes and van Gaal all picked the former as the starting option.
Thanks for coming down from your high horse to tell all of those who don't agree with you they don't "know football at all". We're lucky to have you here to keep us all right. The 14 goals Welbeck scored compared to the 30 that Hernandez scored in seven less games in the two seasons both played under Fergie really backs up your argument...
Loved Chicharito...LVG should have kept him at the club,made a big mistake by offloading Chicharito and Welbeck in the same summer....
What time is Phil coming around for his tea Mrs Jones?
Around the same time as Mr. Thesearefacts McDealwithit
Welbeck had a good all round game and fantastic workrate. To put it in FM jargon, a good defensive forward. We were however talking about the finishing aspect to his and Hernandez’s game where you clearly said Welbeck was better. Which is clearly wrong.
