Music RIP Glen Hansard

I was pretty shocked to see he was only 56, I thought he was older for some reason. Real shame
 
Ya mental news. Awful stuff. Went through the usual Irish fad of him and Damien Rice 20 odd years ago.
 
wtf?! Awful stuff.
Big part of life in my teens and early 20s when I was big into guitar and songwriting, and loved the whole irish/indie folk singer-songwriter scene with him, Damien Rice, Fionn Regan, etc etc.
RIP!
 
Shocking. Motorcycle accident at 430 am is sketchy sounding?

Gone too soon. He wrote some of the best tunes of my youth.
He did unpublicised gigs with mates of his in a pub near the site. Not unusual to stay late chatting after a show.
 
The news of his death made it to German news radio stations, heard about it on the way home.
Rest in peace
 
Horrible thing to have happened.

Opinions on him might be mixed I'll guess, and I probably share in some of that - wouldn't class myself as his biggest fan - but there's absolutely no doubt that he was an immensely talented musician, performer and song writer, who leaves a 6 year old son and a wife behind & thats really tragic.

RIP Glen.
 
News is there were no shenanigans or late boozing and only very minor damage to the motorbike.
 
Cant believe it.... so sad.
I loved the movie "Once". Ive replayed it at least three times.
 
Horrible thing to have happened.

Opinions on him might be mixed I'll guess, and I probably share in some of that - wouldn't class myself as his biggest fan - but there's absolutely no doubt that he was an immensely talented musician, performer and song writer, who leaves a 6 year old son and a wife behind & thats really tragic.

RIP Glen.
He genuinely loved music, his cover versions and interpretations were pretty much always spot on.
 
News is there were no shenanigans or late boozing and only very minor damage to the motorbike.
I'll genuinely never understand why people - especially those with kids - go on a motorbike. Fecking deathtrap. Risking your life far more than in a car every time you go on one.
 
He genuinely loved music, his cover versions and interpretations were pretty much always spot on.
No doubt, the fact that he was still playing low key sessions in pubs speaks volumes.

Incredibly talented fella, its a huge loss to the musical landscape of the country.

One my parents few absolute red lines with us growing up was no motorbikes.
 
News is there were no shenanigans or late boozing and only very minor damage to the motorbike.

There's a video doing the rounds of him playing a lovely song that last night in that pub at about 1130 ish and there was a table of pints beside him, his could easily be 0% Guinness or beer if any of them were his at all, just saying that's what's on the video. I'd no idea he was doing those sessions at all, it was news to me till you mentioned it yesterday. That's some session, someone of that talent belting out tunes in their local for the love of it. One of the many reasons i love Ireland.
 
There's a video doing the rounds of him playing a lovely song that last night in that pub at about 1130 ish and there was a table of pints beside him, his could easily be 0% Guinness or beer if any of them were his at all, just saying that's what's on the video. I'd no idea he was doing those sessions at all, it was news to me till you mentioned it yesterday. That's some session, someone of that talent belting out tunes in their local for the love of it. One of the many reasons i love Ireland.
Lots of those sesions happen, you just have to know the pub. We shouldn't speculate on the booze, as you say, could have been 0% , he may have had one, he may have had 2 over a long night. The publican has made a statement saying there was no lock in.
 
Went to see him in concert. Never understand why people take the risk of motorcycles, not a judgement btw. RIP.
 
If its too early to stomach a dark joke don't open this spoiler, scroll past this post and continue your day.

I did speak to someone who knew him well today and told them this, he said he thought Glen himself would've had a laugh at it, so here goes....

He died as he lived, riding something he was far to old to be on.

Apologies, but I was going to hell long before this anyway.
 
Not my wording but I read this elsewhere and thought it summarised very well the issue re his relationship with Marketa Irglova (at least better than the joke above!)

Irglová’s decision to remain friends and continue working with Hansard after their relationship ended deserves to be respected as her choice, but it doesn’t make the circumstances in which the relationship developed unproblematic.

She can have been friends with him, valued him as a collaborator, and have a positive view of their history. That is her agency. But it is still disturbing that a man in his thirties developed romantic feelings for a girl he had known since she was 13. Hansard himself acknowledged that he had been "falling in love with her for a long time" while telling himself she was "just a kid."

Those two things aren't contradictory. Her later feelings about the relationship do not retroactively make his feelings towards a child appropriate, and acknowledging that does not require portraying Irglová as powerless or incapable of making her own choices.

In his own words:

In response to a question about when the two officially got together, Hansard replied, "In April. I think we fell in love a
couple of years ago, but nothing happened until recently.
 
If its too early to stomach a dark joke don't open this spoiler, scroll past this post and continue your day.

I did speak to someone who knew him well today and told them this, he said he thought Glen himself would've had a laugh at it, so here goes....

He died as he lived, riding something he was far to old to be on.

Apologies, but I was going to hell long before this anyway.

Oh because he was a creep? Yeah that's hilarious
 
It's literally the punchline to your joke. There's been a lot of allegations of him being creepy to young women and then there's the probable grooming of your one from Once but wasn't he a great lad.

Has there? Can you provide a few corroborated, first hand sources on that?

Who has made these allegations exactly?
 
Has there? Can you provide a few corroborated, first hand sources on that?

Who has made these allegations exactly?

Yeah ok. There's been talk for years about how he is with young ones in pubs.

So explain to me how your joke works without creepy behaviour towards much younger women?
 
Yeah ok. There's been talk for years about how he is with young ones in pubs.

So explain to me how your joke works without creepy behaviour towards much younger women?
"There's been talk" - by who? He's been famous in ireland for about 40 years, surely you're gonna be able to find even just 1 direct allegation by someone who's been on the receiving end of this wide spread "how he is with young ones in pubs" that there's been talk of?

Explain the joke I made? Well OK, its a joke, i.e not intended to be taken seriously. If you insist on being offended on behalf of fictional victims who've made no complaints about the man, there's not much I can do about that.
 
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"There's been talk" - by who?

The singer Neko Case on substack, in a post in which she says she "loathed" Hansard, a "shitty, spoiled man":

Near the end of the aforementioned tour a couple friends came to the show. One brought his 19 year old sister as a guest. Dude was all over her. Touching her body, hands and hair without asking and cooing “Oh god, isn’t she beautiful!? She’s so beautiful…” etc on and on. He wouldn’t stop. I don’t think he even knew her name. My friends and I were mortified and very uncomfortable.

She also talks about him "humilating" her when he was supporting her band on tour together by propositioning her to feck his base player without the base player's knowledge.

The journalist Rosemary Mac Cabe also wrote of Hansard:

It was the side that meant you just knew, as a woman in your teens, to be wary around him; it was the side that meant you had a friend who had “been with” him when she was far too young (in my then-friend’s case, 15) to have been able to consent to it

Personally, I also know one Irish amateur musician about 20 years his junior who complained about him groping her after a gig they were both at some years ago.

I get that people liked Hansard's music, and also the desire not to speak ill of the dead immediately after their passing, but the stories about him being a bit of a creep unfortunately didn't come from nowhere.

And that's without touching on his relationship with Irglova which, yeah.
 
His creep behaviour was an open secret among musicians. I know people who would have played in the same scene as him a fair bit who said the stories were true.

Defamation law in Ireland has a highly chilling effect on situations like this which is why most people will not have heard about this. I have seen claims that he threatened to sue women who were going to go public with their stories.

If you don't believe it currently, I would say just give it some time. It's all unfolding as we speak.
 
I know that his music wasn’t to everyone’s taste but I think he’s established himself as an Irish musical great. A legacy of some great tunes and an incredible voice. Shocking news. Gone far too young.

Well said
 
My daughter, who is nearly 8, became aware of him this week and knew he had died on a motorbike. She knew he’d been playing songs that night and asked me if his guitar had been strapped to his back when he crashed and, as a result, the guitar was also damaged or destroyed. And as it turns out, “Sorry. I don’t know” was not one of the acceptable answers.
 
Neko Case was not a fan. This is from her Substack.

https://open.substack.com/pub/nekocase/p/in-what-fecking-universe?r=2djppl&utm_medium=ios

This last week I was just cookin’ along minding my business when I suddenly found myself quite depressed. Was it the stifling heat? Well, that didn’t help… but that’s not something that usually makes me depressed. It took me days to figure it out, but after some soul-searching, and a well-timed poster adorning a London bus shelter, I found the answer. There it was, like a sad turd at the bottom of a punch bowl; another shitty, spoiled man was being lionized by people all around me, even people I know. Or think I know? The bus stop poster was a PSA against sexual harassment and shitty conduct. It read “Sexual Offenses and Harassment have Consequences” my brain immediately screamed “In what fecking universe!?”

The man in question had died (no, that was definitely not something I wished upon him) and several people reached out to me with condolences thinking we were friends, but the fact is I loathed him. I had almost managed to put it out of my mind, but then I made the mistake of going on social media earlier today, entirely by accident and now here I am; disgusted and pissed. The social media hell-scape I wandered onto was a gallery of proof that horrible men get away with everything. Every outpouring of “love” and “condolence” was a sharp, tetanus-y pin in the bottom of my foot. The men kissing his ass didn’t surprise me, but seeing the outpouring of love from women was downright shocking to me. I’m not sure why, as I already knew (and managed to suppress) when I would tell them about the things that happened to me and others, I would be met with the toilet refrain of “oh, well… he’s really sweet to me.” Yes, women are just as shit as men at listening to bad things that happen when it comes to famous or “attractive” men. And yeah, before you paint me with the monster brush, I do feel genuinely bad for his family, but it’s way down the list after other shit I feel. The first thing being a very specific flavor of life-long rage.

What did he do that was so bad you ask? Well, he was on a tour opening for the band I was in, and just when I thought that he and the other fellows were treating me like a fellow musician and even a friend, he thoroughly humiliated me by asking me to feck the bass player in his band. I guess as some kind of favor?! I was mortified. I had thought the bass player in his band so kind, and I really thought we were becoming pals, and then he gets dude to proposition me? What the feck?! He was treating me like some kind of groupie in my own fecking house! Big mistake. And the propositioner had that much faith in his own charm that he had the completely misguided balls to actually ask me. On a better day I’d have punched him in the throat and insisted they be removed from the rest of the tour, but I was genuinely hurt and utterly confused. I had, at that point in my life, just begun to be brave enough to even call myself a “musician,” (even if just on my tax returns) because I didn’t feel like I “deserved to.” Too much life conditioning that “girls can’t do shit good” had fecked me yet again. I just had to make it to the end of the tour. Puke.

The really sad part was, that at some later date in Los Angeles, I ran into said bass player with some of his bandmates. I flashed hot when I saw him. “Oh, hey _bass player name here_, I’m gonna feck your stupid brains out,” I hissed very sarcastically, in front of everyone. I could tell by the look on his face that he had NO idea. His asshole bandmate had taken it upon himself, freelance, to “set up” his pal. I felt horrible, and of course I’m sure I lost a friend because of my venomous comment. I have never seen him since. I told people what happened. No one gave a shit.

The next action was just as disgusting if not more so. Near the end of the aforementioned tour a couple friends came to the show. One brought his 19 year old sister as a guest. Dude was all over her. Touching her body, hands and hair without asking and cooing “Oh god, isn’t she beautiful!? She’s so beautiful…” etc on and on. He wouldn’t stop. I don’t think he even knew her name. My friends and I were mortified and very uncomfortable. Everything was moving in slow motion. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I couldn’t tell what the sister thought. Since he was “famous” and/or “in a band” maybe she was flattered? She could have been screaming inside for all I knew. I had to go onstage. I could only trust that her brother would look after her? I don’t remember clearly what I was told happened with dude, and also it’s not my story to tell, BUT the gross part that happened in front of and was spoken TO ME is. Maybe she’s even adding her own “tribute” on Instagram. Whatever. But that night, watching him treat her like that sickened me.

See, men like that have class systems for the women they “know.” They spoil and flatter the women they NEED things from, business associates, press people etc. The “mother” part of the mother-whore complex… They consume the sex princesses like it’s some big favor they are handing out, as well as their basic right. Then there’s women like me, the underlings. We don’t need to be treated well or with basic respect. Men like that often confuse using their charm on us as “respect” at times, but we all know it’s just a big fat manipulation when it works and when it doesn’t. Just another fecking day at the fecking office.

Why do I need to write this? Rage, bitch. The “president” of my country is a pedofile rapist facing zero consequences, duh. Its essentially legal to rape a woman or a child in the United States. When Ryan Adams was busted for sexting an underage girl I was shocked anyone gave a shit! SO. MANY. PEOPLE helped him get away with being a fecking spoiled asshole for SO long. He treated people abominably for years. People in his solo band would let him abuse them on stage and literally come back for more. feck the Ryan Adams’ of the world! And feck THOSE MERCINARY feckS who hang around dicks like that for the proximity to a “famous” asshole, while insisting it was a “job.” You are star-fecker enablers! You knew who that guy was! Do you think I’m overreacting? Well, I’m used to being the person who says shit and is thought to be “overreacting.” Whether it be to a titty comment, public belittlement and racist tirade from Charlie Louvin, or me warning someone “not to be alone with that guy, he’s abusive,” or to literally stopping a creep from raping my passed out friend at a party. I “overreacted” to a 19 year old raping me when I was fourteen, so I guess I’m an expert overreacter as I started so young, right? I’m never going to shut up, because you see, the problem is not with me, but with a world of assholes unwilling to be BRAVE ENOUGH TO LISTEN, and stand up for what’s right.

And just remember, the guy who is willing to say shit out loud, even when no one believes them, is most likely THE ONLY person willing to put their body on the line FOR YOU. Men aren’t going to do it. So fecking value us.

I’m sorry to disable the comments, but this post stands alone. As per fecking usual.
 
Neko Case was not a fan. This is from her Substack.

https://open.substack.com/pub/nekocase/p/in-what-fecking-universe?r=2djppl&utm_medium=ios

This last week I was just cookin’ along minding my business when I suddenly found myself quite depressed. Was it the stifling heat? Well, that didn’t help… but that’s not something that usually makes me depressed. It took me days to figure it out, but after some soul-searching, and a well-timed poster adorning a London bus shelter, I found the answer. There it was, like a sad turd at the bottom of a punch bowl; another shitty, spoiled man was being lionized by people all around me, even people I know. Or think I know? The bus stop poster was a PSA against sexual harassment and shitty conduct. It read “Sexual Offenses and Harassment have Consequences” my brain immediately screamed “In what fecking universe!?”

The man in question had died (no, that was definitely not something I wished upon him) and several people reached out to me with condolences thinking we were friends, but the fact is I loathed him. I had almost managed to put it out of my mind, but then I made the mistake of going on social media earlier today, entirely by accident and now here I am; disgusted and pissed. The social media hell-scape I wandered onto was a gallery of proof that horrible men get away with everything. Every outpouring of “love” and “condolence” was a sharp, tetanus-y pin in the bottom of my foot. The men kissing his ass didn’t surprise me, but seeing the outpouring of love from women was downright shocking to me. I’m not sure why, as I already knew (and managed to suppress) when I would tell them about the things that happened to me and others, I would be met with the toilet refrain of “oh, well… he’s really sweet to me.” Yes, women are just as shit as men at listening to bad things that happen when it comes to famous or “attractive” men. And yeah, before you paint me with the monster brush, I do feel genuinely bad for his family, but it’s way down the list after other shit I feel. The first thing being a very specific flavor of life-long rage.

What did he do that was so bad you ask? Well, he was on a tour opening for the band I was in, and just when I thought that he and the other fellows were treating me like a fellow musician and even a friend, he thoroughly humiliated me by asking me to feck the bass player in his band. I guess as some kind of favor?! I was mortified. I had thought the bass player in his band so kind, and I really thought we were becoming pals, and then he gets dude to proposition me? What the feck?! He was treating me like some kind of groupie in my own fecking house! Big mistake. And the propositioner had that much faith in his own charm that he had the completely misguided balls to actually ask me. On a better day I’d have punched him in the throat and insisted they be removed from the rest of the tour, but I was genuinely hurt and utterly confused. I had, at that point in my life, just begun to be brave enough to even call myself a “musician,” (even if just on my tax returns) because I didn’t feel like I “deserved to.” Too much life conditioning that “girls can’t do shit good” had fecked me yet again. I just had to make it to the end of the tour. Puke.

The really sad part was, that at some later date in Los Angeles, I ran into said bass player with some of his bandmates. I flashed hot when I saw him. “Oh, hey _bass player name here_, I’m gonna feck your stupid brains out,” I hissed very sarcastically, in front of everyone. I could tell by the look on his face that he had NO idea. His asshole bandmate had taken it upon himself, freelance, to “set up” his pal. I felt horrible, and of course I’m sure I lost a friend because of my venomous comment. I have never seen him since. I told people what happened. No one gave a shit.

The next action was just as disgusting if not more so. Near the end of the aforementioned tour a couple friends came to the show. One brought his 19 year old sister as a guest. Dude was all over her. Touching her body, hands and hair without asking and cooing “Oh god, isn’t she beautiful!? She’s so beautiful…” etc on and on. He wouldn’t stop. I don’t think he even knew her name. My friends and I were mortified and very uncomfortable. Everything was moving in slow motion. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I couldn’t tell what the sister thought. Since he was “famous” and/or “in a band” maybe she was flattered? She could have been screaming inside for all I knew. I had to go onstage. I could only trust that her brother would look after her? I don’t remember clearly what I was told happened with dude, and also it’s not my story to tell, BUT the gross part that happened in front of and was spoken TO ME is. Maybe she’s even adding her own “tribute” on Instagram. Whatever. But that night, watching him treat her like that sickened me.

See, men like that have class systems for the women they “know.” They spoil and flatter the women they NEED things from, business associates, press people etc. The “mother” part of the mother-whore complex… They consume the sex princesses like it’s some big favor they are handing out, as well as their basic right. Then there’s women like me, the underlings. We don’t need to be treated well or with basic respect. Men like that often confuse using their charm on us as “respect” at times, but we all know it’s just a big fat manipulation when it works and when it doesn’t. Just another fecking day at the fecking office.

Why do I need to write this? Rage, bitch. The “president” of my country is a pedofile rapist facing zero consequences, duh. Its essentially legal to rape a woman or a child in the United States. When Ryan Adams was busted for sexting an underage girl I was shocked anyone gave a shit! SO. MANY. PEOPLE helped him get away with being a fecking spoiled asshole for SO long. He treated people abominably for years. People in his solo band would let him abuse them on stage and literally come back for more. feck the Ryan Adams’ of the world! And feck THOSE MERCINARY feckS who hang around dicks like that for the proximity to a “famous” asshole, while insisting it was a “job.” You are star-fecker enablers! You knew who that guy was! Do you think I’m overreacting? Well, I’m used to being the person who says shit and is thought to be “overreacting.” Whether it be to a titty comment, public belittlement and racist tirade from Charlie Louvin, or me warning someone “not to be alone with that guy, he’s abusive,” or to literally stopping a creep from raping my passed out friend at a party. I “overreacted” to a 19 year old raping me when I was fourteen, so I guess I’m an expert overreacter as I started so young, right? I’m never going to shut up, because you see, the problem is not with me, but with a world of assholes unwilling to be BRAVE ENOUGH TO LISTEN, and stand up for what’s right.

And just remember, the guy who is willing to say shit out loud, even when no one believes them, is most likely THE ONLY person willing to put their body on the line FOR YOU. Men aren’t going to do it. So fecking value us.

I’m sorry to disable the comments, but this post stands alone. As per fecking usual.

The perving over a 19 year old stuff is a bit grim but not particularly out there in terms of being in a band on tour behaviour. And I’m seriously struggling to see what justifies the extreme rage over the first accusation? Man in band tells woman in another band that his band mate is into her? What a monster.

Which then puts everything else she says in a different light.

Anyhoo. I don’t know the guy. Maybe he was a creep. The much much younger girlfriend is a red flag. But I won’t rule out the possibility that at least some of the accusations are made in bad faith or from unreliable witnesses. But hey, I guess we’ll never know. Now that he’s dead an all.
 
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