We had 97 points the previous season and a CL win. The season before in a CL final. You really have to get past the one off or lucky season jargon. Klopp has made players into stars but isn’t it possible at this level of football that all players have it in them? Sometimes it’s the smallest of things that swing careers around or a great mgr.
Roberto Firmino, the most overrated player in the Prem.
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No I'm not, people are throwing any number 9 as better than FIrmino, feel like the passion is shown by the detractors here
Good post. Makes sense to me. He was amazing in 17/18, and while he might have some value to Liverpool even without the numbers, I don't think he is particularly good anymore. Liverpool winning the league with him playing as a striker might speak against that, but United also won the league with Anderson, Cleverley and Rafael in the side. Doesn't always tell the full story.
His reputation still rides on the wave from 17/18, but it's not the same. Now it's more like 'silent domination'.
Did I really see someone say that if Lewa replaced Firmino in this Liverpool side there is no chance they would compete for the PL or CL?
While it's true that you can win the league with a liability in your team, Liverpool didn't simply win the league, they tore it apart, and that is not something you achieve with a liability starting every match in the center of your attack.
Firmino is most likely the best "enabler" of attackers in the world. Klopp took advantage of it. It's weird and we're not used to the concept, but it works really well for them.
Maybe not easy to replicate, but they got the best manager in the world (get over it) and he made it work.
I wouldn't put Firmino in the top 10 forwards in the world or anything like that, but he plays the role he's been assigned really well, anyone without a bias can see.
Look, the vanity in that dressing-room is something else. Firminho before fixing his teeth, hands down..world class. After? Nah. He is like the opposite of C. Ronaldo.
13 games since a league goal. Also 11 games since an assist for you lot that love to die on that “playmaker” hill. He is a good player. Liverpool could definitely upgrade on him.
He’s a good player but not an excellent one. I don’t think he would displace anyone in our front three at the moment based on current form. I might be biased though. He thrives in a specific system such as Liverpool’s.
Anyone notice that according to the EPL website he is 3rd in the league for big chances missed? He hasn't scored few because he sacrifices himself, its because he cannot finish.
reinvented the forward role to one that does not need to contribute offensively
He tops (or among top 3) almost all the stats, big chances missed, xg, shots, shots inside the box and 6 yard box.
People rate players based on results. 11 games without a goal or assist for league winners is just unreal record for attacking player.
It's so obvious he does that silent domination thing, the one Rooney was so good at in LVG's first season.
In 2018 his contribution was phenomenal
Yeah, was talking about this season.
Most of my mates are Liverpool fans.
They big up Firmino so much more than they ever say anything positive about Salah or Mane, and its always been so obvious that its because they know he's the weakest of the three.
Their go-to line is "he's so unique, no one we could bring in could do what he does"
Nonsense.
They big up Firmino so much more than they ever say anything positive about Salah or Mane, and its always been so obvious that its because they know he's the weakest of the three.
Their go-to line is "he's so unique, no one we could bring in could do what he does"
Nonsense.
That's Lingard levels.
the exact same. for me He is a fan favourite
Very unreal. I can acknowledge he is a good player. What I don’t agree with is that he is unique. There are players out there that could do what he does and still score with the amazing of shots he takes. His job at Liverpool is so simple. Press and distribute. Very similar to what Bruno does for us actually.
Yeah I’ve noticed this. He’s just a hard working forward isn’t he?
That had that with Ings.
All the talks about him playing a role that only players with 200 IQ could follow.
When in fact, they could change him with Welbeck and get the same outcome. Bobbynogoal. Welbecksometimesgoal.
When in fact, they could change him with Welbeck and get the same outcome. Bobbynogoal. Welbecksometimesgoal.
Giroud won a WC with 0 shots on target, not that unreal to me
Now there's a paradox...brilliant
Look at who he had around him...
Nobody will take this title while Luiz still has a pulse
Like Lingard reinvented the no10 role
They won the league and CL with him being a key player. Hard not to rate him.
He is more undertated here since people just look at the goals and rate him down as well as looking at him playing for Liverpool.
He is more undertated here since people just look at the goals and rate him down as well as looking at him playing for Liverpool.
This always very telling.
Anecdotally, in my office there are two United fans. People trash talk Pogba almost daily, but the United fans, although they defend him sometimes, mostly just laugh off the banter. Liverpool fans in our office do the same when someone tries make a joke at Salah's expense, but they get incredibly defensive when we pile on Firmino.
Martial could never
He gets the same types of things written about him from the Frenchies. Like he's some type of irreplaceable cog in that team when he's one of the easiest players to replace.
Liverpool could improve their attack by playing a better forward. His performance this season is that of an in-form Shane Long.
Imagine being an attacking player not judged on goals......
He is of course scoring a few. Just not scoring like crazy recently and playing more for the team.
I think he is probably off in his head since they won it too.
Scored against Atletico so can't blame it on him much for them being taken apart in the defense.
Its not even "just about the goals", its the fact he is 3rd in overall shots in this PL season.
If he is this "link-up master", then why is he constantly taking more shots than most strikers?
His conversion rate is awful, btw.
3rd highest number of shots in the league. Just 8 goals to show for it.
Who are these people that are rating Luiz? Come on, let’s out them, we can’t allow this mindless stupidity to continue.
He isn't one of the easiest players to replace for France, his competition failed to do it because Giroud generally scores goals for France. He has scored at a higher rate than Benzema, he simply had an uncharacteristically poor WC when it comes to goalscoring. Firmino doesn't score for Liverpool, he never has while Giroud has the third goalscoring record for France behind Platini and Henry.
The Ringo Starr of Liverpool's formidable attack.
Surely the fact a team pissing the league with their main number 9 still awaiting his first home goal of the season is further proof all rounders are more important than a fox in the box.
It's been the case for a while, we won our first PL with Gudjohnsen as the main forward, United selling RVN freed their team up and sent them up a level while Bayern benching goal a game Gomez for 1 in 3 Mandzukic turned them from trophyless to treble winners.
It's been the case for a while, we won our first PL with Gudjohnsen as the main forward, United selling RVN freed their team up and sent them up a level while Bayern benching goal a game Gomez for 1 in 3 Mandzukic turned them from trophyless to treble winners.
More like Stuart Sutcliffe.
Agree. These more team player type strikers can do wonders for a team. Particular in big games when they often shine. Against the lesser teams Pool got Salah and Mane to score the goals anyway.