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Roberto Firmino, the most overrated player in the Prem.
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Firmino’s a very good player for Liverpool. Also does well for Brazil. Can’t really argue with that...
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These type of thread bumps make me laugh, especially all the “told you so” sentiment. Firmino has had two good matches after a year of non performances.
It was barely a month ago the Scousers wanted him dropped for Jota and now we have thread bumps arguing his peerless brilliance.
Never change, Scousers, never change.
Never change, Scousers, never change.
Where have you lot been for the last 18 months?
I never say it was just about the goals. I even mentioned dictates midfielders & attackers. He doesn’t do that, he’s in the team now to link the midfield and attack, need to do more than that to be called world class, you want a wow factor. He wasn’t even closed to Bergkamp and this season Kane.
That season if I’m not mistake he was the bench warmer while Gabriel Jesus played over him in world cup.
There are some idiots among their fans who think he should be scoring a lot more and want Klopp to replace him...But there are idiots in all walks of life...
Didn’t this ‘world class’ striker go a year without scoring at home?
Firmino is a peerless brazilian daddio on the same level as as the brazilian greats of yesteryear.
Plus he's got such great teeth I can see why he drives united fans up the wall with green-eyed jealousy when gnasher-flashing whilst no-look passing, leading to frothing threads like this one.
He's so good at both of those aspects of play that he should in all perpetuity be known as grin-cha. Unfortunately garrincha himself didn't have access to good dentists back in the 50s which is why firmino edges that particular comparison for me.
Plus he's got such great teeth I can see why he drives united fans up the wall with green-eyed jealousy when gnasher-flashing whilst no-look passing, leading to frothing threads like this one.
He's so good at both of those aspects of play that he should in all perpetuity be known as grin-cha. Unfortunately garrincha himself didn't have access to good dentists back in the 50s which is why firmino edges that particular comparison for me.
He’s a great player but he’s not world class. Liverpool don’t need him to be, the way they play the goals don’t come just from him.
Would Firmino be an improvement for us? No as he wouldn’t suit how we play.
Would Firmino be an improvement for us? No as he wouldn’t suit how we play.
Nice finishes from him yesterday. It's almost like the dozy cnut isn't a bad striker when he actually gets into the penalty box rather than doing his Harry-Kane-DM impression all game. Still overrated mind even when he's not playing like a fecking idiot.
Which was another example of the weird selection policy Brazil have perpetually engaged in. He was better than jesus pretty much every time he came on as well.
More like 4-5 strong performances.
And it hasn't been a year. His performances only began dropping off around January.
I suppose this is a good illustration of those judging his performances by goals.
I'm not sure about that. When Martial is in form you can see that his most important contribution is in his ability to support Rashford and potentially Greenwood more than being the spearhead himself, that's when our attack is at his best. I think that someone with Firmino's skillset would be a far better fit than what we have, also it would allow Bruno to drift even more and not be expected to be at all time a goal threat and an organizer.
A month ago, Bobby was still in a rut and Jota red hot.
Don't think Jota gets ahead of Firmino with him back to form though. Exciting as he may be.
Exactly. He’s an odd player. Clearly skilful, but not effective in a lot of games. Up front Nani?
The competition from Jota (despite being injured right now) may have finally seen some spark in his finishing. Similar to Salah being subbed recently has even got Salah bringing his fantastic far post curlers back. No doubt Mane will be 'angry' to score a few against West Brom.
It was weird and I thought Firmino should be playing over him to get the best out of neymar. But that speaks lot of volume about Firmino because he’s not world class. A world class attacker is someone you want to build your team around with, someone that have wow factor, he doesn’t have the asset, his asset is to support the big players.
It’s very easy to be bullish after two good goal scoring performances but I know a lot of Liverpool fans who have been unhappy with Firmino over the course of a year or so now. Beyond goals, his general play has been under par for a long while.
Not disputing that. Just the length of that while.
He surely had world class periods, but overall he is not world class, but does it matter? Since there arent too many world class players to put it into perspective, doesnt change that he is a great player. He hasnt been too great in the last year, so what ? You think Klopp wouldnt get rid of him if he thinks like those who consistently deny his class.
That only works by assuming your player evaluations are the same as Klopp's, ludicrous
Stats will not confirm for you things like technical ability and hold up play, those are footballing qualities that are easily seen by the eye. I have seen enough of both players to know that Martial is the better footballer and center forward.
this is hilarious. Damn the facts....I’ve got an agenda against the player I hate. Hahahaha
Pretty much.
He is a fantastic team player.
I think both are different type of players, Firmino is more like an attacking midfielder or fake 9, Martial is more than a number 9 or Forward.
But Martial transfer fee was £36 million, potentially rising to £58 million, brought in as a potential world class wonder kids, Firmino was £29 million, half of the Martial value, and I believe he lifted up his value more than Martial does, he doesn't seem to improve much after transfer.
You are posting this in December. Alright, so from January to December isn't a year, well, not quite a year.
Come on, you're better than this
In my head, I was posting in November.You are posting this in December. Alright, so from January to December isn't a year, well, not quite a year.
Come on, you're better than this
So yeah, basically a yeah.
Didn’t Firminho go nearly a year without scoring at home?
he’s never been anywhere near world class. It’s just Liverpool fans and alumnae just hyping him.
he’s never been anywhere near world class. It’s just Liverpool fans and alumnae just hyping him.
Basically Liverpool's Lingard circa 2018 or so.
Someone who seemingly does nothing but whose movement improves everything else.
Scoring goals is overrated from a central player these days.
I cant believe so many people still dont get this
Liverpool's main goalscorers are Salah and Mane - Firmino helps their fluidity, the space, the passing, aswell as links the midfield to the attack.
He isnt their most important player but he is a good player in a system that works.
I cant believe so many people still dont get this
Liverpool's main goalscorers are Salah and Mane - Firmino helps their fluidity, the space, the passing, aswell as links the midfield to the attack.
He isnt their most important player but he is a good player in a system that works.
He is important to them and their manager loves him. The rest is irrelevant
and yet, doesn’t he shoot a lot - just his shot conversion is crap?Scoring goals is overrated from a central player these days.
I cant believe so many people still dont get this
Liverpool's main goalscorers are Salah and Mane - Firmino helps their fluidity, the space, the passing, aswell as links the midfield to the attack.
He isnt their most important player but he is a good player in a system that works.
no Doubt he plays a role - but he’s laughably overrated by some people.
He scored more goals per game than Bergkamp did in this league.Scoring goals is overrated from a central player these days.
I cant believe so many people still dont get this
Liverpool's main goalscorers are Salah and Mane - Firmino helps their fluidity, the space, the passing, aswell as links the midfield to the attack.
He isnt their most important player but he is a good player in a system that works.
Not as talented obviously but similar roles for their team, yet Bergkamp never got much shit for it.
In 10 years no one will remember Firminho.
But people will remember these titles and Firmino is a regular starter in this first 11 for nearly 3 seasons, CLs and Titles.
I'm only backing him because it's the same with stuff like Martial because a False 9 doesnt have to be Messi in my opinion as long as the inverted forwards can take the goal scoring duties away from the central player.
Bergkamp was also massively overrated. And he played until he was what 38/39? It's hardly a shock his goal scoring would drop off.