Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Samid, Aug 8, 2019.
Conte never pressed from the front at Chelsea?
Poster is obsessed with me. I wish it was a good one.
Lukaku's touch is "not for everyone"
Honesty i think he'll do well in Serie A but will fade into obscurity where Inter lives
Stop talking, you don’t have a clue.
Pretty sure it’s true.
The bolded part you highlighted isn’t wrong, at least the muscle being heavier part. The part about being easier to lose muscle than fat is too general and needs context, but if I had to lean one way I’d agree.
He is half right, but muscle is not easier to lose when you are a professional athlete. It also entirely depends on your diet and exercise output.
This forum needs to stop associating performance of professional athletes against ordinary individuals because it is a completely different ball game.
Why did They have a match against a Serie D team?
Also, that pitch... looks empty.
Ive suddenly becoming an inter milan fan after helping us get rid of Lukaku. Still I dont understand why there is so much interest from the Italian league for him. Do Juventus/Intermilan think he is going to perform in the Champions League or are they satisfied with him bullying the Bottom 10 teams?
Not quite sure what offended you there. It is a generalized statement that covers both the average and athletic population. For the athletic population the only difference is the training regimen has to be adjusted.
However what remains constant across any human being: caloric deficit + increased cardio. That’s step one, and then from there you have all the randomized control studies trying multiple variations of exercise programs to maximize lean mass preservation while decreasing fat mass. Your genetics in combination with your training program from there will determine the ratio loss of muscle/fat. However once again, step one is a caloric deficit + increased cardio and that has nothing to do with your genetics/exercise program and 100% to do with your professionalism and determination. Two things Lukaku clearly lacked while he was with us in the last year or so.
Curious - why do you think Lukaku hasn’t dropped the excess weight that he has complained about?
What a fecking twat. So arrogant, yet so shite. Worst (starting) United number 9 of the last 30 years. So glad he has gone.
That’s why I mentioned context and said it was a generalized statement. If you’re sedentary, it’s going to be a lot easier to lose the muscle relative to fat than if you’re involved in regular athletic activity (even if it is aerobic vs anaerobic).
That said, it’s still ridiculous that a professional athlete intentionally packed on too much muscle to the point it hurt his endurance and burst for a season. At this stage of his career, he should know his body better.
I’m still not sure why it made sense to bulk up for the World Cup (which he said was intentional). Never really understood that logic.
Its not just the goal droughts and his awful first touch. What turned fans against him was his dreadful fitness levels, his apparent lack of effort and as it turns out, hes an unprofessional sulking twat
I don’t think most are out of this world athletes at an unattainable level to ‘regular people’. There are lots of very fit people out there as I’m sure you know, and plenty that are far fitter than footballers.
For me, that first touch did it. It hurt my soul.
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The thing is, his gesturing makes it look like that is what was legitimately said
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He was always a true pro for us and worked his ass off every game. Didn't work out, but all the best to him. Great mentality, limited footballer.
Great argument. You've convinced me.
His attitude and workrate was never the problem. It was his ability and fitness that was. He'd run his socks off til he gassed out.
Wouldn't wish him on any team. I'm sorry Inter, it was just business.
Hmmmm, almost if the two are interconnected somehow.
His attitude, work rate, technical ability was all issues for ManUtd. His distance covered was among the lowest, his sprints per game was among the lowest for attackers.
Depends what you mean by fitness. If you mean the ability to perform 10km worth of multi directional sprints, footballers are at the absolute cutting edge of human performance. You could probably say with some confidence there is nobody out there who is fitter than a modern PL footballer and not also a professional athlete of some type.
There is no need for arguments, when all the stats show the reality that aligns to what fans have seen with their own eyes. Being gassed after a 25m sprint is embarrassing for a top football player, getting payed £200k+ a week.
Erm yes it was.
I mean his ability was a big issue too, but his terrible fitness levels meant his workrate was poor. He was gassed out by about half time every game. As has been said before, he looked on the verge of a heart attack after one long run against Chelsea last season and seemed to spend the rest of the game recovering from it.
And in his last few days at the club he leaked confidential information on twitter and was fined for not turning up for training by all accounts. That sounds like a poor attitude to me.
I can't beleive what we paid for him.
I can't beleive we sold him for.
I'm just glad that useless lump is now somone else's problem.
Lukaku was singed because he scored 20+ goals for Everton, where he had decent hold up play.
But ever since he singed for United, he probably thought he made it and doesnt have to try anymore. I don't think he is a player with the same hunger as some of the players we have now.
Tbf he has received alot of criticism but it isn't all unjust because when you pay £75m and £190k wages you should be able to do basics right.
Lukaku never had decent hold up play, he was a counter attack player and a poacher.
Ironically we couldn't even counter attack with him.
I agree with this, but the problem is that he was done after 30 minutes at times.
Gaining weight for the world cup affected his game negatively, he lost stamina, agility and his technical flaws were accentuated. My question is why he didn't fix that problem during the season, because for me he looked equally bad at the start and at the end of it.
Lukaku, Fellaini and Herrera.
I agree. What everyone except you don't seem to realise is, I was saying wasn't lazy, he was just gassing out. He would work his ass off for 30-35 minutes and then be dead. That isn't having a low work ethic, it's just being unfit. There is a difference.
I think he got some awful advice from both the Belgian and our own fitness coaches. His weight should have never gotten that high.
As others have said - no. He’s an unprofessional as Di Maria was.
It’s exactly this - he lost any desire to improve, keep fit and quite frankly be a professional footballer. It’s happened lots of times, he believes he’s made it and he stops everything that led him to get there - it simply won’t wash at Man Utd.
He certaintly didn’t go hungry though, the Greggs in Manchester has made 5 of their staff redundant since he’s moved on...
Being unfit whilst being paid 6 figures a week to be at the peak of human fitness is unprofessional.
To be fair the whole squad was unfit, although granted his situation was extreme. It shows that the problem was somewhat systemic
If he couldn't even keep himself fit enough that he's huffing and puffing with hands on hips after half an hour, then I'd call that a very low work ethic. Work ethic shouldn't be just about what a player does during the games.
He'll probably score a decent number of goals against teams Inter dominate. Maybe Conte will get him to lose a couple stones.
What's the point of playing friendlies with clubs several divisions lower ?
To get their new star striker in form against teams of his own quality
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