Jim Beam
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I understood your point and your last sentence in it, but still think it is, well, pretty much pointless in this particular case.I'm not able to make the point any clearer, so no point continuing then.
I understood your point and your last sentence in it, but still think it is, well, pretty much pointless in this particular case.I'm not able to make the point any clearer, so no point continuing then.
If you understood it then your reply is even weirder to me, but ok. Your issue is then that you think it's not true that race is involved. Which, fine, I'm sorry but I don't care about that. Maybe someone else does, you can talk about it with them. It still wouldn't mean that anyone was called a racist for not rating Lukaku, just like no one has ever said that it's racist to criticize Sterlink. But you understood that, you've just said, so it can't have been pointless.I understood your point and your last sentence in it, but still think it is, well, pretty much pointless in this particular case.
Nice word soup, you’re never wrongIf you understood it then your reply is even weirder to me, but ok. Your issue is then that you think it's not true that race is involved. Which, fine, I'm sorry but I don't care about that. Maybe someone else does, you can talk about it with them. It still wouldn't mean that anyone was called a racist for not rating Lukaku, just like no one has ever said that it's racist to criticize Sterlink. But you understood that, you've just said, so it can't have been pointless.
Yeah, all settled, we will stop here. Made my feelings clear about the issue I had as you did with yours as strange as you went about it. The subject was Lukaku, will continue with my thoughts about him in his thread one day maybe.If you understood it then your reply is even weirder to me, but ok. Your issue is then that you think it's not true that race is involved. Which, fine, I'm sorry but I don't care about that. It still wouldn't mean that anyone was called a racist for not rating Lukaku, just like no one has ever said that it's racist to criticize Sterlink. But you understood that, you've just said, so it can't have been pointless.
This sums up my thoughts well.My general feeling is that there are no racist issues with pretty much any person when it comes to Lukaku. So, when someone goes with that route it is actually offensive.
It has everything to do with the way he left the club, missed the preseason, was fully out of shape and then had the cheek to point the blame in other direction once he was no more here even saying he wanted to leave after first few days while putting £250,000 in his pocket every week. The criticism about the lack of technical ability and his playing style was always there.
Now, pretty much any logically thinking person would connect those dots as the crux of the problem in overall feelings towards Lukuku and not the one he went after. Rooney was under the barrage of personal abuse after the way he went with his contract renewal. In fact, he was physically threatened. It also hadn't anything to do with his skin color like it's not the case here. Anyway, free speach and all that, so he is free to go after any train of thought he likes to, but it doesn't make it any less bs in my opinion.
Not sure what Sterling and Greenwood media portrait have to do with any of the above tbh.
I don’t get your argument. Howdo you know Inter would have beaten Milan without Lukaku? You mention he scored 3rd goal but fail to mention heassisted the first. Are you saying that if Lukaku didn’t play, Sanchez would have made the exact same run and assist? Can you prove that?The games that matter are the ones where you drop points otherwise. Would Inter have beaten Milan without him? Lazio? Yes they would. He scored the 3rd of against Milan and against Lazio the opening goal was a penalty won by Lautaro.
It's a sad fact that a half decent team will run riot in Serie A at the moment. Juventus are the only credible opponent and he hasn't scored a single goal against them.
Ibrahimovic? He's a great striker who has scored plenty against big teams. However, he's not as good as he thinks he is, and he's also 39. A 39 year old in the running for the Serie A Golden Boot (with a 36 year old currently leading it).
EPL isn’t much good either. Leicester City are top 3 while they are a Sassuolo level team (8th in Serie A).
Your posts on Leicester and Vardy are hilariously bad.Liverpool last year played at 20%
Well obviously another player wont score the exact same goal. But they will still score, and Inter would likely have beaten Milan and Lazio with Sanchez or whoever else on the field instead.I don’t get your argument. Howdo you know Inter would have beaten Milan without Lukaku? You mention he scored 3rd goal but fail to mention heassisted the first. Are you saying that if Lukaku didn’t play, Sanchez would have made the exact same run and assist? Can you prove that?
Against Lazio Lukaku scored 2 and assisted 1 and you still say Inter would have won without him because Lautaro won the penalty? If that’s the case how do you explain Inter missing a penalty in their loss against Sampdoria earlier in the season when Lukaku was in the bench? And does that mean Inter would have gotten points as Lukaku would score the penalty?
EPL isn’t much good either. Leicester City are top 3 while they are a Sassuolo level team (8th in Serie A).
Manchester are second but can’t win away against a Turkish team no one has heard of. So it’s not just a Serie A thing. Liverpool last year played at 20% and was destroying EPL teams left right and centre while being found out by Atletico who weren’t even the best team in a weaker La Liga.
Which big teams has Ibra scored against?
Last season he scored his 2nd ever goal against Juventus (a penalty) so he doesn’t have much of a record against them.
To be fair Liverpool beat Atalanta 5-0 on their own patch with a youth player who was playing non-league the season before bossing it at centre back for them.Well obviously another player wont score the exact same goal. But they will still score, and Inter would likely have beaten Milan and Lazio with Sanchez or whoever else on the field instead.
I'm not sure how you figure Sassuolo are at Leicester's level considering they haven't played in Europe in years? Other than (hilariously) Liverpool, English teams have made fairly light work of Italian teams in recent years.
Now you're proving that the thread gets bumped by overly sensitive people like yourselves, waiting for a gotcha moment. The guy has stat padded his whole career and grabbing a late goal in match already won does nothing to counter this. I know its a tough pill to swallow for you.Your point is silly, because the poster you replied to were obviously referencing the fact that this thread is getting bumped when Lukaku does poorly. Now he dominates Milan and people said nothing. It took a turn for the worse, though. Now, after Lukaku dominated in a big game the thread is populated by people talking about how he doesn't show up in big games.
Glad you dropped the stat padding line, though, that was pretty weak.
the media around Lukaku is actually far more positive than he deserves. There’s nothing at all to suggests and racist agenda.This sums up my thoughts well.
Lukaku's form while he was here, his glaring technical weaknesses plus his comments after leaving justify the way United fans regard him, even if it is a bit exaggerated in this thread.
I've never seen any smear campaigns in the media against him like Sterling and Greenwood have had so I don't know how helpful that comparison is.
Also people use Lukaku as a stick to beat United with. "look at Lukaku now, it was big bad United who made him have the touch of a trampoline".the media around Lukaku is actually far more positive than he deserves. There’s nothing at all to suggests and racist agenda.
frankly, if he didn’t play for United, people wouldn’t even be talking about him.
clearly United fans saw him up and personal for 2 years, and can therefore really see what he’s like as a player and as a person.
crap and dislikable.
A rat, just like Sanchez and Di Maria - at least those two were world class players at one point in time (and therefore their attitude could almost be understandable).
The amount of delusion in this thread is really something else. This is absolutely not true and stats can prove it.Well obviously another player wont score the exact same goal. But they will still score, and Inter would likely have beaten Milan and Lazio with Sanchez or whoever else on the field instead.
Now you're proving that the thread gets bumped by overly sensitive people like yourselves, waiting for a gotcha moment. The guy has stat padded his whole career and grabbing a late goal in match already won does nothing to counter this. I know its a tough pill to swallow for you.
I don't even think he's a bad player btw.
I have never said he's not doing a good job for Inter. He is, but wait until you play in the Champions League and face tougher opponents. He was useless this season and he undoubtedly will be again next year.The amount of delusion in this thread is really something else. This is absolutely not true and stats can prove it.
Lukaku missed three games for Inter this season so far, which resulted in two defeats and a home draw against 19th place Parma, while in the three games where he only played a handful of minutes coming off the bench in the second half, Inter managed only 4 points, drawing with Atalanta and losing to Sampdoria.
Take Lukaku out of this team, and Inter would be struggling to qualify for CL, simple as that.
I've no problem admitting that Conte's style perfectly suits Rom, and that he probably wouldn't have the same impact in another context, but at the same time I wonder how can you fail to recognize that he's been doing great at Inter and that he's probably the most dominant player in the league right now
It will probably be the case. Inevitably, when you raise the level it becomes more difficult to make the difference and so far Rom has not proven yet that he can be reliable and decisive at the highest level.I have never said he's not doing a good job for Inter. He is, but wait until you play in the Champions League and face tougher opponents. He was useless this season and he undoubtedly will be again next year.
I'm mocking him because he thinks he's the bee's knees when in reality he's an awkward player, with poor first touch, debatable finishing, poor ball control, extremely clumsy at times who goes missing when the club needs him the most - it's literally in his DNA. But then he goes and talks and acts like he's one of the best when in reality he doesn't even have the skill for it.GifLord is something else.
Last year he was mocking Lukaku for his apparant lopsided distribution of goals, illustrated by his share of goals against top 6 teams. I went throught the top scorers in the top leagues, compiling a list showing that Lukaku's ratios was perfectly normal. Some players stood out in a positive way (Rashford) and some on a bad way (Messi), but Lukaku was pretty middle of the pack.
Just like that, on the second, the stat that GifLord himself picked out as a bad thing suddenly didn't matter anymore. It was just perfect dishonesty, Internet "debate" in its perfect form.
Yes, and that time you were mocking him for only scoring x % of his goals against top 6 teams that season, claiming that it proved something negetavie about his abilities. Then I showed you how a lot of good players had similar or "worse" stats that season, and suddenly that very stat that you yourself picked to make fun of Lukaku didn't imply anything bad after all.I'm mocking him because he thinks he's the bee's knees when in reality he's an awkward player, with poor first touch, debatable finishing, poor ball control, extremely clumsy at times who goes missing when the club needs him the most - it's literally in his DNA. But then he goes and talks and acts like he's one of the best when in reality he doesn't even have the skill for it.
I don’t disagree. Same is true of Aguero though who gets praises as a big game player but tends to disappear in the tough CL knockout matches. He has some goals in round of 16 blowouts against likes of Schalke but otherwise chokes when it matters. I think he did score one vs Tottenham but also choked on the away games where he missed an important penalty.I have never said he's not doing a good job for Inter. He is, but wait until you play in the Champions League and face tougher opponents. He was useless this season and he undoubtedly will be again next year.
Because he's absolute shit against top opposition - there's literally stats that prove it. Just because he's doing great in Serie A doesn't mean he's suddenly become better - Serie A is ridiciliously poor just look at the Italian national pool of players born between 1980-1995 some absolute dross of players came out and the strenght of Italian national team is proof of it.Yes, and that time you were mocking him for only scoring x % of his goals against top 6 teams that season, claiming that it proved something negetavie about his abilities. Then I showed you how a lot of good players had similar or "worse" stats that season, and suddenly that very stat that you yourself picked to make fun of Lukaku didn't imply anything bad after all.
It was very funny.
I disagree that he is a top level striker. He is good, but could you replace him with somebody else and get the same results? Most likely, yes. Will he drag you through the difficult games? No.It will probably be the case. Inevitably, when you raise the level it becomes more difficult to make the difference and so far Rom has not proven yet that he can be reliable and decisive at the highest level.
What i dont get is the amount of criticism he receives because of that, as if he were expected to deliver performances of Messi or Ronaldo's calibre. Either you recognize that he's a top level striker, or you must not use his less than excellent performances in big matches as a pretext to consider him a failure
I dont know about that. Aguero has scored more against Chelsea than he has against anybody else, and he's always a pain when he plays us, Arsenal or Spurs.I don’t disagree. Same is true of Aguirre though who gets praises as a big game player but tends to disappear in the tough CL knockout matches. He has some goals in round of 16 blowouts against likes of Schalke but otherwise chokes when it matters. I think he did score one vs Tottenham but also choked on the away games where he missed an important penalty.
I think it’s more of a case of EPL fans rating him as I’ve never heard anyone else rating him that high since he’s been ona Team with amazing talent and creators and still never done much of note in the biggest competitions.
I thought the Serie A had the best defenders and the best defences, the best defensive tactical setups, if he's scoring that must prove something.Because he's absolute shit against top opposition - there's literally stats that prove it. Just because he's doing great in Serie A doesn't mean he's suddenly become better - Serie A is ridiciliously poor just look at the Italian national pool of players born between 1980-1995 some absolute dross of players came out and the strenght of Italian national team is proof of it.
Yes, but, and I'm repeating myself, what's funny is that this stat stopped being relevant to you when you found out how other players did. Lukaku scoring x % of his goals against top 6 teams shows that he is shit against top teams, but Salah, Mane or Messi having "worse" stats doesn't mean anything.Because he's absolute shit against top opposition - there's literally stats that prove it. Just because he's doing great in Serie A doesn't mean he's suddenly become better - Serie A is ridiciliously poor just look at the Italian national pool of players born between 1980-1995 some absolute dross of players came out and the strenght of Italian national team is proof of it.
It's not even considered among top3 leagues anymoreI thought the Serie A had the best defenders and the best defences, the best defensive tactical setups, if he's scoring that must prove something.
When did that happen? Also how can you compare those players to Lukaku when they're literally carrying those clubs. Lukaku can't do anything without support - he's literally invisible at times when Inter plays a decent teamYes, but, and I'm repeating myself, what's funny is that this stat stopped being relevant to you when you found out how other players did. Lukaku scoring x % of his goals against top 6 teams shows that he is shit against top teams, but Salah, Mane or Messi having "worse" stats doesn't mean anything.
Imaigne that I said Ronaldo is clearly the best player ever because he has won five Ballon d'Ors. Then someone point out to me that Messi has won six, and I suddenly decide that the Ballon d'Or isn't the relevant measure and that Ronaldo is the best ever because of some other reason. Clearly it was never about the Ballon d'Or for me, I just wanted to argue that Ronaldo is the best and I'd pick any argument to support it. That's you and Lukaku. The laughable thing isn't that you think he's shit, that's fine, the laughable thing is how you pick, choose and drop arguments as it suits you.
I didn't say it was, and that's a totally irrelevant answerIt's not even considered among top3 leagues anymore
Did you just wake up from a 20 year comaI thought the Serie A had the best defenders and the best defences, the best defensive tactical setups, if he's scoring that must prove something.
Final four of the nations league. 10 wins out of 10 in Euro qualifying. The italian national team is pretty good right nowBecause he's absolute shit against top opposition - there's literally stats that prove it. Just because he's doing great in Serie A doesn't mean he's suddenly become better - Serie A is ridiciliously poor just look at the Italian national pool of players born between 1980-1995 some absolute dross of players came out and the strenght of Italian national team is proof of it.
I thought the Serie A had the best defenders and the best defences, the best defensive tactical setups, if he's scoring that must prove something.
Did you just wake up from a 20 year coma
Perhaps I'm misremembering but weren't you comparing the top 6 of their respective leagues though?Yes, but, and I'm repeating myself, what's funny is that this stat stopped being relevant to you when you found out how other players did. Lukaku scoring x % of his goals against top 6 teams shows that he is shit against top teams, but Salah, Mane or Messi having "worse" stats doesn't mean anything.
It's not, it's as goal-happy as the bundesliga these days. Though to be fair, COVID and closed doors seem to be the biggest reason for it, no league has that such a wild, massive swing pre/post lockdownI thought the Serie A had the best defenders and the best defences, the best defensive tactical setups, if he's scoring that must prove something.
Unless you consider Shakhtar and Real Madrid the only decent teams they played this season, this is just plain wrongWhen did that happen? Also how can you compare those players to Lukaku when they're literally carrying those clubs. Lukaku can't do anything without support - he's literally invisible at times when Inter plays a decent team
It happened here: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rom...h-minute-winner.449595/page-134#post-26140368When did that happen? Also how can you compare those players to Lukaku when they're literally carrying those clubs. Lukaku can't do anything without support - he's literally invisible at times when Inter plays a decent team
Same was said about England when they were winning Qualifiers with easeFinal four of the nations league. 10 wins out of 10 in Euro qualifying. The italian national team is pretty good right now
Bottling is in england's dna, but they were goodSame was said about England when they were winning Qualifiers with ease
Italy has won 4 World Cups and played some finals!Same was said about England when they were winning Qualifiers with ease
I don’t recall City facing Bayern in the knockouts much. I’m taking about the CL knockout as that was your knock on Lukaku, about not wanting him in the biggest CL games. I agree with you but I’m saying the same can be said of Aguero. Also I’m not sure if this is true but I’ve heard someone say that Aguero is never good in away games to Liverpool for example.I disagree that he is a top level striker. He is good, but could you replace him with somebody else and get the same results? Most likely, yes. Will he drag you through the difficult games? No.
United fans also don't like him because of the hissy fits he threw when he was leaving.
I dont know about that. Aguero has scored more against Chelsea than he has against anybody else, and he's always a pain when he plays us, Arsenal or Spurs.
He's got a reasonable Champions League record against the likes of Bayern, but City as a whole usually choke in Europe.
Aguero was twice the striker Lukaku is, in all honesty.
He's yet to score against Juventus, Atalanta & Roma - he's been practically Invisible in these matches despite playing at least 4 times against each.It's not, it's as goal-happy as the bundesliga these days. Though to be fair, COVID and closed doors seem to be the biggest reason for it, no league has that such a wild, massive swing pre/post lockdown
Unless you consider Shakhtar and Real Madrid the only decent teams they played this season, this is just plain wrong
What does that have to do with the current gen? Italy in the last 10 years were a joke of a national team. The quality of players they've produced in the last 15 years is depressingly poor when you look at the ones from the past generations probably one of the worst.Italy has won 4 World Cups and played some finals!