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Romelu Lukaku | Mourinho Part III | Roma watch
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This game is Lukaku in a nutshell. Responsible for the two big chances of the game. The game remains 0-0.
What injury does he have? Madrid is the big test for him if he can score vs a giant team when Inter needs to win.
He has personally started this season well, but Inter as a team has not got the results so he is partly to blame.
He has personally started this season well, but Inter as a team has not got the results so he is partly to blame.
I haven’t opened this thread for months, as there’s I think an overly and unnecessarily nasty tone to conversation about Lukaku in general, so forgive me if this has been asked a number of times but - how can you score the ‘decisive’ goal in a game your team loses?
Own goal.
Think you answered your own question in the first part.
"Decisive" refers to his own goal that lost them the match
So you are saying the goals against weaker sides don't count? Nice try, especially when we are drawing or losing against these "weaker" teams week in week out.
I didn't realize only hattricks count as goals to win a game. I better get down to learning some basics of a game of footie.
As for spending 90 million on a striker to score against bottom-half teams? I don't give a damn who he scores against, as long as he helps us win games. Winning games that you should gets you up the league table, not choosing who you win against. Otherwise, we end up as a bottom half team ourselves like the current position we find ourselves in.
The way he complains to other players everytime he takes a poor touch or doesn't make the right run.
Ew.
Ew.
this was your post I was replying to. Remember you mentioned hat tricks.
you were asking whether his scoring hattricks against the lower teams would help? Just pointing out that he didn’t score 3 goals against ANY team in 2 years - so how can you use that as you hypothetical barometer/ and argument?
fans shouldn’t look at the table until we are at least a dozen games into the season. Doing so, means stupid people make assumptions/ overreact/ yearn after past players who were never good enough based on a false position. for the avoidance of doubt, I’m taking about stupid people in general, no one in particular.
You seem to have trouble following your own arguments, first embarrassing yourself with the above hattrick blunder and now this, so let me break it down for you simply. You said...
So I showed you exactly how many goals he scored in the PL for us and Everton - I'll do it again just so you can attempt to take it in:
18/19 - Man Utd - 32 games - 12 goals - 178 minutes per goal
17/18 - Man Utd - 34 games - 16 goals - 179 minutes
16/17 - Everton - 37 games - 25 goals - 131 minutes
15/16 - Everton - 37 games - 18 goals - 175 minutes
14/15 - Everton - 36 games - 10 goals - 228 minutes
13/14 - Everton - 31 games - 15 goals - 171 minutes
That's an average of 177 minutes per goal. For context, Burnley's Chris Wood scored at 175 minutes per goal and Ings scored at 125 minutes per goal last season and they played for worse teams than Mourinho's United and Martinez's Everton. Are you saying we should sign them too?
Not having any kind of trouble at all, just stating the obvious. Lukaku has scored goals for whichever team he has played for except Chelsea where he was not given a chance. Who the feck cares who he scores against, as long as he scores. Something we have difficulties with, no matter who we play against.
As for Woods Ing and, if they can score, why not. We're not in a position to turn our nose up at anyone who will help us win games, games our team needs to win.
Remain in denial, who cares. If the denial about the state of the team helps you sleep easier, then please remain in denial. I am concerned about every level of our club, so I will state whatever I have to, if you want to put me on the ignore list, go ahead.
What you're having trouble with is that last season, all three of Rashford, Martial and Greenwood scored at a better rate than Lukaku did for us and Everton. So we'd just be bringing back a striker who doesn't score as frequently as our current forwards and has a worse all round game - makes absolutely no sense.
2 goals tonight:
His international goals record is phenomenal. No doubt someone will claim that Belgium have somehow found a way to only ever play crap teams.
Not just Belgium. International football somehow magically favours crap players. Apparently. Just take a look at the Dan James thread.
Yup. Yet somehow the best players in club football are also the best players in international football. And vice versa. Go figure.
Oh please stop. He plays for Belgium's golden gen. Must be really tough having the likes of De Bruyne, Hazard and co providing assists for him.
He's a nothing player without support. If he was born 10 years earlier he'd be a laughing stock yet now he's lauded by some as one of the best strikers of the 2010s
And if you looked at his goal scoring record for the national team - at least 40goals came against cannon fodder the likes of Panama, Estonia, Gibraltar, Tunisia, San Marino...
Very flawed analysis. First, you are comparing his average stats over 6 seasons with stats for Ings and Wood in one season. Try using Ings and Wood's stats over the last 6 seasons and you will see a huge difference. Secondly, in his time at United Lukaku came from the bench quite a lot, esp in his last season. Your "matches" stats for him include several appearances from the bench for as little as the last 10 minutes. On the other hand, Ings and Wood virtually play 90 minutes every match. He hit 34 club goals last season, and has already hit 7 goals in 5 matches this season, in addition to his impressive record 57 goal tally for Belgium so far (5 in the last 4 games). And he is still 27. At the right team with the right support, Lukaku is an absolute beast. Barring injury, I expect his stats to get even better.
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I’m not a Lukaku fan at all. I was underwhelmed when we signed him and glad when we got rid of him.
The amount of energy some people expend on rubbishing his achievements is extraordinary though.
I know you’re on some weird vendetta against him in this thread so I can’t be arsed getting into a back and forth with you. I’ll just say that he’s making a fool of you with each goal he scores. And he is scoring a LOT of goals.Oh please stop. He plays for Belgium's golden gen. Must be really tough having the likes of De Bruyne, Hazard and co providing assists for him.
He's a nothing player without support. If he was born 10 years earlier he'd be a laughing stock yet now he's lauded by some as one of the best strikers of the 2010s
And if you looked at his goal scoring record for the national team - at least 40goals came against cannon fodder the likes of Panama, Estonia, Gibraltar, Tunisia, San Marino...
Didn't just score one against Luxembourg and Gibraltar though... hat-tricks?!
Because he doesn't do it against top teams!!!
How am i supposed to praise someone who hasn't done shit against top teams in years?!?
Couldn't score against top 5 for Utd in what 20+ games? Can't score vs top 4 in Italy.
Like wtf?!?
Sure he is
Really strong header for the second goal, that's nice to see. Alert play by both De Brunye and Lukaku for the first with the quick free kick, though Schmeichel did good and will feel unlucky by the ball going in.
That own goal, though, Courtois. I guess technically it was Chadli's, but man.
That own goal, though, Courtois. I guess technically it was Chadli's, but man.
I’m similar. Probably more enthusiastic by you when we signed him but equally glad when we parted ways. It just wasn’t working out. He’s a real handful of a striker though. Scores a shit-load of goals and is hard to defend against. The delusional thinking in this thread is hilarious.
Maybe one day he scores a goal without this or another Lukaku thread getting bumped.
We all knew before we bought him that he is a good player and can score goals, that’s why he cost so much money.
But nothing will change the fact that in terms of quality he is clearly way below the top strikers we have had at United over the years and decades.
And way below other top strikers. The way some people talk one could think he was David Villa.
We all knew before we bought him that he is a good player and can score goals, that’s why he cost so much money.
But nothing will change the fact that in terms of quality he is clearly way below the top strikers we have had at United over the years and decades.
And way below other top strikers. The way some people talk one could think he was David Villa.
From the wikipedia link above, Romelu Lukaku for his NT
In the last 5 years (-> 2016): 47 games played, 46 goals scored. Impressive!
Harry Kane for example (Tonight's game not included):
Since 2016: 43 games played, only 29 goals scored.
Games played in the last 2 UEFA Nations leagues: 12
Goals scored in the last 2 UEFA Nations League against the likes of Spain, Croatia, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Iceland: 1
Games played in the last UEFA Euro 2020 qualifying: 8
Goals scored (vs Montenegro, Czechia, Bulgaria and Kosovo): 13
Stat Padding.
In the last 5 years (-> 2016): 47 games played, 46 goals scored. Impressive!
Harry Kane for example (Tonight's game not included):
Since 2016: 43 games played, only 29 goals scored.
Games played in the last 2 UEFA Nations leagues: 12
Goals scored in the last 2 UEFA Nations League against the likes of Spain, Croatia, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Iceland: 1
Games played in the last UEFA Euro 2020 qualifying: 8
Goals scored (vs Montenegro, Czechia, Bulgaria and Kosovo): 13
Stat Padding.
Confirming the quite frankly astonishing idea that strikers tend to find it easy to score against crap teams and hard against good teams.From the wikipedia link above, Romelu Lukaku for his NT
In the last 5 years (-> 2016): 47 games played, 46 goals scored. Impressive!
Harry Kane for example (Tonight's game not included):
Since 2016: 43 games played, only 29 goals scored.
Games played in the last 2 UEFA Nations leagues: 12
Goals scored in the last 2 UEFA Nations League against the likes of Spain, Croatia, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Iceland: 1
Games played in the last UEFA Euro 2020 qualifying: 8
Goals scored (vs Montenegro, Czechia, Bulgaria and Kosovo): 13
Stat Padding.
Lukaku is definitely better than any strikers United have at the moment. Obviously United have had better strikers in the past, but you need to name the specific past strikers you are comparing him with because he is also better than some of them.
How is it flawed when I literally list the minutes per goal for each season? All the information is there. You can pick any season he was in England and Ings still had a better goal to minute ratio than him last season. Pick either of his seasons with us and Chris Woods still had a better goal per minute ratio last season.
Also in his first season for us, he played 90 minutes in pretty much every game and still only managed a goal every 179 minutes - he actually had a better ratio in his second season when he wasn't an undisputed starter for the whole season so your point makes absolutely no sense anyway.
If Lukaku is better than any of our current strikers explain how all 3 of Martial, Greenwood and Rashford had a better goal ratio last season than him when he was here?
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I think this is true for most players today.
Yesterday I read a stat that C. Ronaldo has played 15 times against the European Big 5 nations (Germany, Italy, Spain, France, England) and failed to score in 14 out of the 15 games, which sounded crazy to me. Not sure its correct so if someone can confirm that would be good.
Gone are the days of the players that step up in big national games at World Cups on a consistent level lole Ronaldo or even Klose did. Look at Cristiano and Messi. They have 0 World Cup knockout goals combined. Even Lukaku has more.
When Lukaku is in the team - United is only as as good as Lukaku is because literally everything has to be created for him, or football has to be played to his strengths.
People might say this is still true with our other strikers still in our team but Lukaku was the least team player like forward in our team. We ditched that aspect because whilst it hasnt happened yet - replacing Lukaku isnt a hard thing to do and we will get there some day to doing that because it simply isnt hard to replacing the guy. He isnt missed.
Football is more than just putting the ball in the back of the net. If it's the latter we want we can find that, if its more we can find that also.
People might say this is still true with our other strikers still in our team but Lukaku was the least team player like forward in our team. We ditched that aspect because whilst it hasnt happened yet - replacing Lukaku isnt a hard thing to do and we will get there some day to doing that because it simply isnt hard to replacing the guy. He isnt missed.
Football is more than just putting the ball in the back of the net. If it's the latter we want we can find that, if its more we can find that also.
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Chris Wood and Danny Ings are better players than Lukaku, I mean their 80 plus goals in the premiership (combined) far out weigh Lukakus 100 plus goals... obviously...
I feel really silly now.
Thanks for pointing that out mate.
As it is for any striker who plays in a half decent national side. It's a pointless comparison as international competition is weak, even the best teams are a long way off club level. There is more space and less intensity in international football as no matter how good the individuals might be, meeting up for a few days in an international break can't replicate a group training together 365 days/year for their club.