You're being awful kind to Lennon there.
Ronald Koeman - Barcelona First team coach
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The problem is that these results were heavily based on Ter Stegen, Messi and Suarez with nothing to be positive about collectively. Barcelona don't need pragmatism, they need coaching and team building, maybe Koeman can do it, he has managed Netherlands decently but his other jobs don't lead to optimism.
Now in terms of pragmatism and team building, Deschamps would have been a funny match for outsiders, Barcelona players and their fans would start a rebellion after 12 months but I'm pretty sure that he'd win something with them.
Wonder how much VVD and Mane enjoyed playing under him?
I could be wrong but I think he fell out with Mane and ended up benching him towards the end of his Southampton days.
Stop gap until Xavi arrives.
Correct but, that was because Mane was pushing Saints to let him go and had a strop on!
Hardly long term planning is it, would be surprised if he lasts the season
Very weird.
I think this will be seen as yet another step in the wrong direction.
They needed someone with fresh, new, modern ideas, and this is not it. It’s another difficult character who has never done anything in club management to suggest he is cut out for a job like this.
They needed someone with fresh, new, modern ideas, and this is not it. It’s another difficult character who has never done anything in club management to suggest he is cut out for a job like this.
I cant believe they didnt give Setien a chance to implement his mark on the team. There were always going to be bumps on the road but it was going to come eventually. Seems foolish of them to rush into hiring the ex-Soton manager.
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This really doesn't matter as much as you think it does. What did Guardiola prove before he got the Barca job? What did Zidane prove before he got the Madrid job?
Even treble-winning Luis Enrique hadn't really proved much. I think he had a mediocre Roma tenure.
At Real and Barca, if you command respect from the players then you can do very well.
If its true that he is arrogant, he is going to learn how to be humble very quickly now.
Until presidents resigns nothing will change there, whoever the manager.
Poch not getting the Barca job isn't THAT surprising considering his Espanyol ties.
Thats just it though. He is nearly 60 and his career has been a really mixed bag. He is not a young man with new ideas. He is a difficult personality being thrown into a very difficult situation.
I can’t see it being a success.
That will be so harsh on Koeman even if he does well. The Netherlands were finally looking good.
Being difficult and confrontational might be a positive character trait considering the circumstances, there are quite a few complacent and over the hill players there who very much warrant that sort of treatment. He'd have to be backed though.
A more interesting question would be, if this doesn’t end well, which there’s a solid chance it might not, will be be welcome back at the Dutch NT, or will that bridge be burned now? I thought they were going in the right direction under him.
Barcelona haven’t made a good decision in years
It's hard to escape the idea that Koeman is a stop gap depending on the result of the election. He is going into this eyes wide open to the fact that this is not just a rebuild, it could also be a season gig.
In the past, I had associated Koeman with producing teams that played functional football. He'll know the type of football expected of a Barcelona team. Results obviosly matter but I'd like to see football that is pleasing to watch.
There will have to be an understanding that this is no quick fix. Fixing the mess Koeman will inherit is going to take at least two years. Expecting Koeman to win La Liga or the Champions League is totally unrealistic.
Mauricio Pochettino has found out the hard way that you can talk yourself out of a job. What Pochettino said about Barcelona didn't really bother me personally. It's what you would expect somebody with his history to say. He may wish he worded it differently but that assumes him he was genuine and not opportunistic in the way he tried to distance himself from what he'd said about the prospect of managing Barcelona.
In the past, I had associated Koeman with producing teams that played functional football. He'll know the type of football expected of a Barcelona team. Results obviosly matter but I'd like to see football that is pleasing to watch.
There will have to be an understanding that this is no quick fix. Fixing the mess Koeman will inherit is going to take at least two years. Expecting Koeman to win La Liga or the Champions League is totally unrealistic.
Mauricio Pochettino has found out the hard way that you can talk yourself out of a job. What Pochettino said about Barcelona didn't really bother me personally. It's what you would expect somebody with his history to say. He may wish he worded it differently but that assumes him he was genuine and not opportunistic in the way he tried to distance himself from what he'd said about the prospect of managing Barcelona.
I think he's the best choice available. Who else? You are not going to hire a non Spanish Speaker to manage someone like Messi & co.
He knows about Barcelona when he was a player, Netherlands also been doing good under him recently & he's trying to follow the Cruyff philosophy. Can't find better team than Barcelona or Ajax.
Wonder what formation he will use regularly, 3 at the back with De Jong as his deep playmaker?
He knows about Barcelona when he was a player, Netherlands also been doing good under him recently & he's trying to follow the Cruyff philosophy. Can't find better team than Barcelona or Ajax.
Wonder what formation he will use regularly, 3 at the back with De Jong as his deep playmaker?
I suspect we'll see a 4-3-3. I'm not keen on 3 at the back with wingbacks and I don't foresee Koeman going with that.
I see. Either way, I think De Jong will be the key and play the no 6 under Koeman. I think that's where Koeman plays him in Netherlands so this will make Pjanic & Busquets out of the pick for the role. What a wasted money on Pjanic probably makes it worst now after this Koeman appointment, could have use the money on Van De Beek instead.
signing Arthur was quite a good decision, before they ruined it
He made a "civil war" at Valencia's locker room, after terminating the contract of their legends David Abelda. Canizarez, and Angulo.
Still failed with a team fueled by amazing young talents like Villa, Silva, Joaquin, Juan Mata, and Jordi Alba. Not to mention a season wonder Vicente, and a dynamic midfielder Ruben Baraja.
On the flip side he did manage a points record for Southampton. And did great with Feyenoord. First season Everton was good but second was a disaster. He is trying to bring van de Beek over do that would be great if it happens. I’m warming up to him but let’s see what happens. Not expecting much this coming season.
I think he's a solid choice. Koeman was doing very well at Southampton until he realized the Dutch job might become available, then he suddenly pulled a Jose and went on a terrible run and got himself sacked.
He got the Dutch to be feared again despite a lack of leaders and world class talent.
Memphis Depay is a player he could take to the next level at Barcelona and affordable too. He'll most certainly sign Van de Beek. Then De Ligt and Blind are players he might also might make a move for.
He got the Dutch to be feared again despite a lack of leaders and world class talent.
Memphis Depay is a player he could take to the next level at Barcelona and affordable too. He'll most certainly sign Van de Beek. Then De Ligt and Blind are players he might also might make a move for.
Will fit Barca like a glove then
They'll be calling for him to go in six months.
Fails at Everton
Gets the Barcelona job
Sounds about right to me
Gets the Barcelona job
Sounds about right to me
Remember, Koeman is a genuine Barca legend. That too will have played a part in his appointment.
His managerial record isn’t flawless (who is though?), but he has strong connections to the club and on paper, is probably their best appointment post Guardiola. It’s also worth noting, Rijkaard, another manager with strong connections to the club was pivotal in turning Barca’s fortunes around and he was actually appointed following his dismissal at Sparta Rotterdam.
Managerial success is a lot more nuanced than “failed at one club, therefore must be shit”. The same is true of players of course. He is not a sure success story, but there is some logic behind his appointment.
Defensive minded, conservative coach. He has a strong personality and is a good people manager. I've yet to discover any sort of tactical ability.
It's a typical appointment though, he used to play for them. Under Cruijff no less. Surely this will be the reincarnation of tiki taka. Or he'll be rubbish, like at most of his coaching jobs.
I'm happy for him though, jolly cnut with his fat fecking head.
It's a typical appointment though, he used to play for them. Under Cruijff no less. Surely this will be the reincarnation of tiki taka. Or he'll be rubbish, like at most of his coaching jobs.
I'm happy for him though, jolly cnut with his fat fecking head.
Unrelated to the thread topic, is there any explanation for his absurd scoring record at PSV? Did he play as an attacking midfielder or something?
Hard to fathom this appointment to be honest. An okay manager who's never really looked like he has the kind of clear minded footballing vision that Barca are desperately looking for.
He will last until he gets knocked out somewhere around the quarters next year. Average manager for what's become an average team.
Yes, yes he is. And let it never be forgotten, he's responsible for the most philosophical words a Dutch man has ever spoken in English. Even Van Gaal himself never went this deep.
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He played as a libero, was the designated penalty taker, a free kick specialist and had an excellent shot from long range
History proves every Dutch coach has won trophies at Barcelona.
Rinus Michels -> Trophies
Johan Cruyff -> Trophies
Louis Van Gaal -> Trophies
Frank Rijkaard -> Trophies.
I could be wrong, but imo the pattern is clear as water. Ronald Koeman will 100% be successful at Barcelona.
Rinus Michels -> Trophies
Johan Cruyff -> Trophies
Louis Van Gaal -> Trophies
Frank Rijkaard -> Trophies.
I could be wrong, but imo the pattern is clear as water. Ronald Koeman will 100% be successful at Barcelona.