How was that goal disallowed? Was it Rashford‘s foot that wasn’t interfering that ruled it out?He's never done that in his career. Ronaldo is far from our biggest problem and actually scored a perfectly good goal yesterday.
How was that goal disallowed? Was it Rashford‘s foot that wasn’t interfering that ruled it out?He's never done that in his career. Ronaldo is far from our biggest problem and actually scored a perfectly good goal yesterday.
This.He's never done that in his career. Ronaldo is far from our biggest problem and actually scored a perfectly good goal yesterday.
This. 100%We conceded 4 against Liverpool in the same fixture last season (which everyone seems to have forgotten about) with Cavani playing up top and Maguire injured… We also nearly shipped about 7 against Roma away around the same time, also with Cavani playing & “pressing” like mad from the front so, yeah… no, I’m not buying it.
Ronaldo also wasn’t playing when DDG & Varane had to save us against Wolves this season, or when we lost to a Moyes West Ham side in the cup who created significantly more than us.
It was Pogba’s fault a few weeks ago… until we dropped him and went even further to shit.
We concede a boat load of chances and have done for ages because the way we’ve been playing for the last couple years was always unsustainable, and no one has really been drilled to do anything that could mitigate bad form or stuff not working.
I think the Liverpool game was compounded by Maguire's injury, before then the defense had been ok in terms of goals conceded in the run up to that game, and the sudden loss of Maguire was felt pretty keenly, both in terms of his defensive ability on the pitch and his organisational skills (which is weird to say after yesterday). Doesn't really matter because I fully agree with the point you're making.We conceded 4 against Liverpool in the same fixture last season (which everyone seems to have forgotten about) with Cavani playing up top and Maguire injured… We also nearly shipped about 7 against Roma away around the same time, also with Cavani playing & “pressing” like mad from the front so, yeah… no, I’m not buying it.
Ronaldo also wasn’t playing when DDG & Varane had to save us against Wolves this season, or when we lost to a Moyes West Ham side in the cup who created significantly more than us.
It was Pogba’s fault a few weeks ago… until we dropped him and went even further to shit.
We concede a boat load of chances and have done for ages because the way we’ve been playing for the last couple years was always unsustainable, and no one has really been drilled to do anything that could mitigate bad form or stuff not working.
Yeah thought the same.Yh agreed. He timed his movement perfectly and they gave his shoulder offside by a cm…wouldn’t have made a difference but was a nice finish
Good point, I think I didn't make the distinction clear in my post.I understand this attitude with two of the greatest players of all time in Ronaldo and Messi but to say a midfielder isn’t there for running is ridiculous as if top midfielder aren’t capable of both, before anything else Football is still a sport.
Blaming Ronaldo for the teams poor performances is a very poor excuse indeed. He says that his job is to score goals and that he has been doing.The thing is I'm totally willing to accept Ronaldo could be the issue, maybe we just don't have the team capable to support him, or maybe he's lost a bit. But when you sign 3 world class players in the summer and none of them are performing to that level, then you have players like Maguire and pogba who regularly perform well at an international level, but poorly at club level, at a certain point you have to say that it's far more likely it's an issue with the manager, rather than all these players having declined the moment they put on a united shirt
Mind boggling.Yeah it's mental. Apparently the reason we get spanked is, because our striker isn't pressing hard enough and apparently our GK isn't good enough on the ball.
In term of goal conceded, we looked good while Maguire was available and in form; but performance wise, we were not formidable defensively as result showed. Still plenty of game against decent sides in the second half of the season where we conceding chances to opponent for fun in all competition. Milan at home. Against Roma. Even Real Soceidad if not for lack of clinical finishing, didn't lack chances to change the look of the scoreline. Two games vs Everton, in the league and in the Cup were both kinda end to end stuffs. Lost convincingly to Leicester twice. Even when we beat an out of form Liverpool in the Cup, we were there for them to take.I think the Liverpool game was compounded by Maguire's injury, before then the defense had been ok in terms of goals conceded in the run up to that game, and the sudden loss of Maguire was felt pretty keenly, both in terms of his defensive ability on the pitch and his organisational skills (which is weird to say after yesterday). Doesn't really matter because I fully agree with the point you're making.
Imagine thinking that Ronaldo "positions himself wrong" - the guy is one of the best in the business when it comes to movement and positioning.Yeah it's mental. Apparently the reason we get spanked is, because our striker isn't pressing hard enough and apparently our GK isn't good enough on the ball.
Yeah obviously this is just body language but it does seem that way regarding Mason and Ronnie. Doesn’t seem to want to play the Rooney/Tevez role for him and put in the hard yards for the team. Good man-management can only go so far. A cnut like Conte would drop one and that’d be the end of it. Ole probably wants to keep everyone happy but ends up with a crippling, dysfunctional team.Think, Ronaldo is not the main problem but him coming has added another problem like side quest in an open world game like red dead or GTA.
Main problem is the way the midfield and defense play and that Ronaldo doesn't take part in tracking back or pressing adds more pressure.
He can score goals every other game as we have decent front players but we will probably start leaking more goals as he is static.
The another problem is however his coordination with greenwood. It looks like Mason is not very happy playing with Ronaldo.
I agree with everything you’ve written, though we probably differ on the importance of Maguire. While he’s not perfect, I think he’s been noticeably better than your other CBs since his arrival. Last season for the PFA team of the year a lot on here argued that Maguire should have been in the team, and while I disagreed I didn't think they were crazy shouts or anything. I think he's had a very heavy schedule over the last couple seasons, and at the moment he looks mentally shocked and was rushed back from injury. I think a fully fit Maguire with a little rest is a different player.In term of goal conceded, we looked good while Maguire was available and in form; but performance wise, we were not formidable defensively as result showed. Still plenty of game against decent sides in the second half of the season where we conceding chances to opponent for fun in all competition. Milan at home. Against Roma. Even Real Soceidad if not for lack of clinical finishing, didn't lack chances to change the look of the scoreline. Two games vs Everton, in the league and in the Cup were both kinda end to end stuffs. Lost convincingly to Leicester twice. Even when we beat an out of form Liverpool in the Cup, we were there for them to take.
Look at last season as a whole, especially compounding on top of first half of the season where Maguire and Shaw were out of form which we looked as dogshit defensively as right now (much lucky in term of result), overall we had as many shaky games as we did with our better ones. That's not a good sign for team with ambition to challenge for top trophy. You either have good control over the game in term of pressing, possession or containing via conventional defending. So we're just the same in term of shakiness defensively. It's easier to blame DDG and Lindelof back then, but with Varane and DDG back into form, people start to see through the excuse of lack of dominant defensive midfielder.
It's tactic. Ole trying to fit in all these attackers without balance. The way Ronaldo plays no 9 beside the final phase of attack is more like someone like Henry. He likes to drift to wide area, to lose the CB marking. Which means it's perfectly fine to give Greenwood a role of CF like what Wenger did with Henry and young RvP. Ole instead shunt Greenwood outwide, negating to a certain extend his forward ability, while leaving AWB to cover the entirely flank, which he can't.Think, Ronaldo is not the main problem but him coming has added another problem like side quest in an open world game like red dead or GTA.
Main problem is the way the midfield and defense play and that Ronaldo doesn't take part in tracking back or pressing adds more pressure.
He can score goals every other game as we have decent front players but we will probably start leaking more goals as he is static.
The another problem is however his coordination with greenwood. It looks like Mason is not very happy playing with Ronaldo.
Thanks for this stats.Look at these pressure stats
Rashford
Greenwood
Let's compare them with players who are part of a team that plays a similar formation to United
Sane
Gnabry
Ronaldo will never work with Greenwood and Rashford but both need to up their work rate regardless of the striker they're playing with because these stats for such young players are abysmal and hurting the team.
We are not in 2010 but in 2021 when opponents work differently. Yes, individual quality still decides matches - but it is a connection between team effort and this indivual quality that is important to really be the deal. Problem is that at the end you look at all this superstars and if they make their goals all is fine and they are the heroes. Nobody then really values if they do something for the team effort or not.He's never done that in his career. Ronaldo is far from our biggest problem and actually scored a perfectly good goal yesterday.