Ronaldo will take Rooney’s record

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He won't take Rooney's record. How long he stays is anyone's guess, as he could move on in 2 or 3 years, nevermind his performances here. This is not peak Ronaldo. While he scored some goals at Juve, it is a bit different now in the PL and his age. He keeps fit, but he is still way past his prime and cant play every game.
 

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I don't disagree but not all records have the same pretige. Ronaldo's biggest rival holds more Guiness world records than he does, including a plethora of more important ones. The only reason I brought them up is that you said there aren't many records left to chase.

There are plenty left to chase. The important ones. But they're either out of reach or really difficult to attain. Having said that, it's in his and United's favor if he does manage to accomplish them. I hope he does.
Sure there are thousands of records out there, small ones big ones, there's always some records out there to pursue. But traditionally speaking, in general those big ones everyone would talk about, are always those scoring over career, for clubs, for country, and in major tournaments (WC, Euro, CL etc), or in a season. I don't see why need to argue against these being relevant or not, even though not all records have same prestige. In my opinion there are not many big records left to break, but sure there are still many small records (such as scoring in most consecutive games in PL or French league, or most hattrick in a season etc) to break, not that I'd consider those as relevant. But to Ronaldo, maybe breaking all time record for Man Utd would be meaningful one for him to pursue next. And if he breaks it, that would also mean he would also end up with 900+ career goal too, which is an insane milestone (previously record holder Pele only had 765)
 
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Sure there are thousands of records out there, small ones big ones, there's always some records out there to pursue. But traditionally speaking, in general those big ones everyone would talk about, are always those scoring over career, for clubs, for country, and in major tournaments (WC, Euro, CL etc). I don't see why need to argue against these being relevant or not, even though not all records have same prestige.
In generalz the big ones that everyone talks about is balón d'or wins, European Golden boots, most career trophies, most goals in a season, and most goals in a calender year, most top scorer award at a major international tournament.

I was merely responding to your suggestion that there aren't many records to chase when in fact he's chasing most of these big ones.
 

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But that wouldn't help him reach Rooney's mark because we aren't talking about club + international goals.

The competition that Portugal play against in the qualifiers isn't going to consist of the same teams that we are going to face domestically and in the Champions League this season.

We have to go off his club goal scoring record. And it's been 6 seasons since he has reached the mark that he'll need to hit for 3 consecutive seasons to match Rooney's mark (assuming he only plays 3 seasons).

If he decides to play an extra season, though, then that changes everything and I'll see it's much more achievable.
Hence I've said its highly unlikely. But given his scoring ratio in recent years, its not totally impossible.
 

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In generalz the big ones that everyone talks about is balón d'or wins, European Golden boots, most career trophies, most goals in a season, and most goals in a calender year, most top scorer award at a major international tournament.

I was merely responding to your suggestion that there aren't many records to chase when in fact he's chasing most of these big ones.
I have already covered all of those in my previous post. The only one we couldn't agree on is the international one. But given the fact that Ronaldo has broke it recently, and with very high no. of media coverage widely reporting this, and with a whole wiki page dedicated on it for many years, I wouldn't say it's as irrelevant as you've suggested. But lets just agree to disagree then.
 

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Hence I've said its highly unlikely. But given his scoring ratio in recent years, its not totally impossible.
Nothing is impossible. I was pointing out that he hasn't hit that mark since 2016 and there's no reason to think that he's going to suddenly hit it 3 straight seasons as an older man when he hasn't been able to hit that at any point in the last 6 seasons.

Can someone defy the odds and hit a second peak? Nothing (regardless of how far fetched) is impossible, but it's so unlikely that I'm not sure why we'd spend a lot of time contemplating it happening.
 

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I have already covered all of those in my previous post. The only one we couldn't agree on is the international one. But given the fact that Ronaldo has broke it recently, and with very high no. of media coverage reporting this, and with wiki page dedicated on it for many years, I wouldn't say it's as irrelevant as you've suggested. But lets just agree to disagree then.
No record is irrelevant, but as I said earlier, some are more important than others.

We seem to be going around in circles. You suggested that there aren't many records left to chase. I listed a bunch of important ones that he trails his biggest rival in, and that he's still chasing.

If you recognize that and we agree, that's great. If we don't, it's fine to agree to disagree, as you pointed out.

Our second discussion is about how likely Ronaldo is to score 136 goals in 3 seasons. You suggested that he isn't unlikely to do that and adduced Ronaldo's total club and goals in Portugal's qualifying campaigns as evidence as that he can score 45, goals a season over the next 3 seasons.

I responded by pointing out that goals with Portugal aren't relevant because not only has Ronaldo not managed to score 45 in a season since 2016, but even if he were to continue scoring for Portugal at the same rate, those wouldn't help him break Rooney's record.

I think we might be in agreement, here. We must be, after each of us clarified his position. If we aren't, you can point out what you disagree with. Or we could leave it at that and agree to disagree and carry on.
 

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Nothing is impossible. I was pointing out that he hasn't hit that mark since 2016 and there's no reason to think that he's going to suddenly hit it 3 straight seasons as an older man when he hasn't been able to hit that at any point in the last 6 seasons.

Can someone defy the odds and hit a second peak? Nothing (regardless of how far fetched) is impossible, but it's so unlikely that I'm not sure why we'd spend a lot of time contemplating it happening.
Of course I know what you mean. I don't believe he could do it in 3 years too. But lets just say, he knows he could still score 45 goals if he played 54 games a season, and that may motivate him to keep on scoring more goals for us in order to reach that record. He strives on records, which itself is a good thing to us.
 
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I disagree. This is Cristiano Ronaldo and not some normal 36 year old. I can see him playing at the top level until he is 40.
I don't think he'll stay here unless we start winning things this year or next year. Otherwise, he'll be off to somewhere else for one last trophy
 

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If he does this then that means we probably win every trophy we're in for, so I'm all for it
 

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He’s going over Ole this month for sure
He's got a great chance of getting ahead of Tommy Taylor this season, but then it's a decent sized gap to David Herd.

Realistically, if he absolutely storms it over this spell, his absolute ceiling is surely just above Dennis Viollet. There's huge differences above him.
 

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No record is irrelevant, but as I said earlier, some are more important than others.

We seem to be going around in circles. You suggested that there aren't many records left to chase. I listed a bunch of important ones that he trails his biggest rival in, and that he's still chasing.

If you recognize that and we agree, that's great. If we don't, it's fine to agree to disagree, as you pointed out.

Our second discussion is about how likely Ronaldo is to score 136 goals in 3 seasons. You suggested that he isn't unlikely to do that and adduced Ronaldo's total club and goals in Portugal's qualifying campaigns as evidence as that he can score 45, goals a season over the next 3 seasons.

I responded by pointing out that goals with Portugal aren't relevant because not only has Ronaldo not managed to score 45 in a season since 2016, but even if he were to continue scoring for Portugal at the same rate, those wouldn't help him break Rooney's record.

I think we might be in disagreement, here. If we aren't, you can point out what you disagree with. Or we could leave it at that and agree to disagree and carry on.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but I believe we should be mostly talking about "goalscoring record" under the topic of this thread here.

I think you need to relax abit. Of course its impossible for any player to break every records out there. Ronaldo does have his fair shares of big records and small records (I remember few years back he has hold 150+ records or something, this alone is also a world record). But lets not go into detail of other performance records, best player records, tournament records and such. I am only speaking in terms of "goalscoring record" in a Man Utd forum with topic on whether Ronaldo could break another "goalscoring record" or not, he has already break/hold more "goalscoring records" than anyone in history of the game, and there aren't many big "goalscoring records" left for him to chase.

If you follow through Ronaldo career, you will know he strives on breaking " goalscoring" records after records, big records after big records (ie CL goals, career goals, international goals), in fact it has been a major topic talked among his fans or media in past couple of years, on whether he could break career goal record and international goal record in future. Its Man United forum talking about Ronaldo on goalscoring record afterall, you don't have to argue too much on other details which is a bit off topic.
 

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Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but I believe we should be mostly talking about "goalscoring record" under the topic of this thread here.

I think you need to relax abit. Of course its impossible for any player to break every records out there. Ronaldo does have his fair shares of big records and small records (I remember few years back he has hold 150+ records or something, this alone is also a world record). But lets not go into detail of other performance records, best player records, tournament records and such. I am only speaking in terms of "goalscoring record" in a Man Utd forum with topic on whether Ronaldo could break another "goalscoring record" or not, he has already break/hold more "goalscoring records" than anyone in history of the game, and there aren't many big "goalscoring records" left for him to chase.

If you follow through Ronaldo career, you will know he strives on breaking " goalscoring" records after records, big records after big records (ie CL goals, career goals, international goals), in fact it has been a major topic talked among his fans or media in past couple of years, on whether he could break career goal record and international goal record in future. Its Man United forum talking about Ronaldo on goalscoring record afterall, you don't have to argue too much on other details which is a bit off topic.
Chill out. Everyone in this thread was discussing whether Ronaldo could reach Rooney's mark and you went on a tangent about the many obscure records you could find. You added that Ronaldo doesn't have many more records to find and I corrected you by pointing out that he trails his main rival in most of the important ones.

It was you who went a bit off topic and I pointed that out to you in my first post and brought it back to the topic on hand regarding Ronaldo's chances of catching Rooney.

You insisted that Ronaldo isn't unlikely to reach it in the next three years. I disagreed and pointed out that he hasn't managed to reach 45 goals in any season since 2016 and that he'd need to do so go accomplish what you think he will.

You don't seem to have taken that well, for some reason. Whether that's due to your self professed deification of Ronaldo is another topic.
 

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Chill out. Everyone in this thread was discussing whether Ronaldo could reach Rooney's mark and you went on a tangent about the many obscure records you could find. You added that Ronaldo doesn't have many more records to find and I corrected you by pointing out that he trails his main rival in most of the important ones.

It was you who went a bit off topic and I pointed that out to you in my first post and brought it back to the topic on hand regarding Ronaldo's chances of catching Rooney.

You insisted that Ronaldo isn't unlikely to reach it in the next three years. I disagreed and pointed out that he hasn't managed to reach 45 goals in any season since 2016 and that he'd need to do so go accomplish what you think he will.

You don't seem to have taken that well, for some reason. Whether that's due to your self professed deification of Ronaldo is another topic.
Whatever :)
Back to the topic, 2 goals in 1 game :devil:
 

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Unbelievable how many United fans doubt this man. Like I said before, if he wants the record and doesn't have a career ending injury, he will break the record. He already said he will play 4 seasons. And he'll play more if he is only a few goals away from the record.

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At best case scenario, he is getting past Jack Rowley, who has 211 goals. Don't think he can catch Law and certainly not Charlton and Rooney.

But it's reasonable to expect him to get ahead of Scholes, Giggs and Best, who are all below the 180 goal mark.

Ronaldo would just need to score 60 more goals for that, given that right now, he has 120.
 

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This'llbe fun to update as we go.... upto 120.

Wayne Rooney 253
Sir Bobby Charlton 249
Denis Law 237
Jack Rowley 211
Dennis Viollet 179
George Best 179
Joe Spence 168
Ryan Giggs 168
Mark Hughes 163
Paul Scholes 155
Ruud van Nistelrooy 150
Stan Pearson 148
David Herd 145
Tommy Taylor 131
Brian McClair 127
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 126
Andy Cole 121
Cristiano Ronaldo 120
 

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This'llbe fun to update as we go.... upto 120.

Wayne Rooney 253
Sir Bobby Charlton 249
Denis Law 237
Jack Rowley 211
Dennis Viollet 179
George Best 179
Joe Spence 168
Ryan Giggs 168
Mark Hughes 163
Paul Scholes 155
Ruud van Nistelrooy 150
Stan Pearson 148
David Herd 145
Tommy Taylor 131
Brian McClair 127
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 126
Andy Cole 121
Cristiano Ronaldo 120
Pretty crazy really to think that Ronaldo has a realistic chance of passing Ruud this season, and an oitside chance of passing Scholes.
 

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He won't take Rooney's record. How long he stays is anyone's guess, as he could move on in 2 or 3 years, nevermind his performances here. This is not peak Ronaldo. While he scored some goals at Juve, it is a bit different now in the PL and his age. He keeps fit, but he is still way past his prime and cant play every game.
If he stays 4 seasons, I think it's extremely realistic. He would need 34 goals a season in that scenario. Barring injuries, it's certainly doable. He'd just have to stay long enough.

I agree that he's unlikely to do that in 3 seasons.

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This'llbe fun to update as we go.... upto 120.

Wayne Rooney 253
Sir Bobby Charlton 249
Denis Law 237
Jack Rowley 211
Dennis Viollet 179
George Best 179
Joe Spence 168
Ryan Giggs 168
Mark Hughes 163
Paul Scholes 155
Ruud van Nistelrooy 150
Stan Pearson 148
David Herd 145
Tommy Taylor 131
Brian McClair 127
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 126
Andy Cole 121
Cristiano Ronaldo 120
He’ll pass Ruud this season, and Viollet/Best in the next one. It gets harder from there though, so realistically I expect him to finish in top 4 or top 5.

However, I wouldn’t bet against him finishing top scorer. And if he really does that, I can see him going for the 1000 goals record and become the first player ever to reach that.
 

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Not happening. That chance went to shit when he joined Real as he would have definetly been clubs top scorer had he stayed. That being said I am just happy to see him again
 

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And we’ll hurt his chances presumably of overtaking the majority of those through good player management me too i.e using the games he would score the most in as an opportunity to rest him….