Rooney, Amazon Prime

[MacGlock88]

Apologies if there is a thread that covers this recently released docu-film on Amazon Prime, I couldn't find one.

I watched 'Rooney' earlier in the week. I am not entirely sure why himself and Coleen have agreed and made the film. I don't know what purpose they want it to serve.
A few quid? Raise their profile? Clear the air on their marriage? Or show off their new gaff etc..

Context. I think Rooney was one of the best players to play in the league. Smashing footballer who had a lot of the attributes and delivered on a near consistent basis.

The Film focussed on a lot of his time with England, and less so at Club level which was disappointing.
Save for the last 20 mins which focussed on United and the Transfer request. The start focused on his upbringing around Croxteth where he grew up, and was 'brought up to fight'.

He made the claim that he and the teams he was part of at United, didn't get the recognition that they deserved due to the success of the 1999 United Squad.
(Topic for debate, but what we would give for a league title now).

Some decent ex-pros and managers spoke of him, all well of course.
To include, Gary Neville, Rio, Thierry Henry, David Beckham, David Moyes and Sven-Göran Eriksson.
SAF was bit part in it, mainly file footage and concerning Rooney's Transfer request. Which was all terribly handed and needless. Apart from the fact Wayne got the improved contract, of course.

Some interesting admissions from Wayne with regards to his premeditated plans to hurt Chelsea, buy changing his studs for bigger ones.
But ultimately, the same studs (in the same game) were to play a part in him breaking bones in his foot before the World Cup in 2006.

Not sure why he felt the need to bring this up.
Its resulted a warning from the FA https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-claims-wanted-hurt-against-Chelsea-2006.html

Bringing up his past off-field issues too, having discussions with Coleen and Wayne in the kitchen was a 'red neck' for me.
Its not something I would have got involved with. But credit to them they did it.

All in all, it showed his ruthless nature along with the family man and football manager.
With some humiliation of his past thrown in.

4.5 out of 5 // Amazon Prime

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rooney-Matt-Smith/dp/B09Q1P9RX4

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Rooney's quote near the end which was something like

"Fergie saw where United were headed and he got out as fast as he could. Now they're still picking up the pieces"

Was that a recent quote? Seems it should have got more coverage than it has (haven't seen it anywhere)

I'd really like him to extend on what that means too - lack of investment in the playing side?

 

[sugar_kane]

Rooney's quote near the end which was something like

"Fergie saw where United were headed and he got out as fast as he could. Now they're still picking up the pieces"

Was that a recent quote? Seems it should have got more coverage than it has (haven't seen it anywhere)

I'd really like him to extend on what that means too - lack of investment in the playing side?

What a stupid thing to say, the man was 70 years old and had worked with the Glazers for about 7 years by that point.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

What a stupid thing to say, the man was 70 years old and had worked with the Glazers for about 7 years by that point.

TBF whilst you can give rooney many compliments and they would be deserved, rocket scientist sure as shit aint one of them

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

I watched it with the missus, she enjoyed it as she never knew how good a player he was. Rooney the man often overshadows the player, who was one of the best I’ve had the pleasure of watching. The Coleen parts were strange, we wondered why they’d dig into the affairs & it kind of made her look meek. The breakdown of the Chelsea injury was good, I like that he takes responsibility.

The man literally put his body on the line for the club, & given things have steadily declined since Ronaldo left I think he’s a tad annoyed at how the transfer request is often portrayed. Even Neville after the ‘you don’t do that to your teammates’ part kind of compliments him for his bravery to question the decision as he says no one else would have had the balls to do so. The situation could have been handled better but I agree with Wayne on this one, losing Ronaldo may have been inevitable but we should have made our own mark in the market afterwards.

 

[stu_1992]

Apologies if there is a thread that covers this recently released docu-film on Amazon Prime, I couldn't find one.

I watched 'Rooney' earlier in the week. I am not entirely sure why himself and Coleen have agreed and made the film. I don't know what purpose they want it to serve.
A few quid? Raise their profile? Clear the air on their marriage? Or show off their new gaff etc..

Context. I think Rooney was one of the best players to play in the league. Smashing footballer who had a lot of the attributes and delivered on a near consistent basis.

The Film focussed on a lot of his time with England, and less so at Club level which was disappointing.
Save for the last 20 mins which focussed on United and the Transfer request. The start focused on his upbringing around Croxteth where he grew up, and was 'brought up to fight'.

He made the claim that he and the teams he was part of at United, didn't get the recognition that they deserved due to the success of the 1999 United Squad.
(Topic for debate, but what we would give for a league title now).

Some decent ex-pros and managers spoke of him, all well of course.
To include, Gary Neville, Rio, Thierry Henry, David Beckham, David Moyes and Sven-Göran Eriksson.
SAF was bit part in it, mainly file footage and concerning Rooney's Transfer request. Which was all terribly handed and needless. Apart from the fact Wayne got the improved contract, of course.

Some interesting admissions from Wayne with regards to his premeditated plans to hurt Chelsea, buy changing his studs for bigger ones.
But ultimately, the same studs (in the same game) were to play a part in him breaking bones in his foot before the World Cup in 2006.

Not sure why he felt the need to bring this up.
Its resulted a warning from the FA https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-claims-wanted-hurt-against-Chelsea-2006.html

Bringing up his past off-field issues too, having discussions with Coleen and Wayne in the kitchen was a 'red neck' for me.
Its not something I would have got involved with. But credit to them they did it.

All in all, it showed his ruthless nature along with the family man and football manager.
With some humiliation of his past thrown in.

4.5 out of 5 // Amazon Prime

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rooney-Matt-Smith/dp/B09Q1P9RX4

This stuff was super uncomfortable for me. What I found weird about it was that it didn't really focus on the why for Rooney and how he's subsequently dealt with those issues (or not), but rather it focused on Coleen and her decision to not leave him. It was just awkward scenes of her justifying her decision to stay without saying too much, and Rooney standing there awkwardly. You'd swear she was the one who fecked up.

Also I didn't have any time for that quote on Sir Alex and why he decided to retire. If we can't allow a man in his 70s to retire without begrudging him, then I'm not sure who can retire without criticism. Total sour grapes from Rooney there.

 

[Judge Red]

I think the truth is that Fergie stayed a year longer than he intended to in order to win the Premier League back from City. He could have got out much faster and had already gone back on one retirement.

 

[Smores]

I really enjoyed it and to be honest I've never liked the man after his behaviour but it provided a greater insight.

Some spin on his behalf and that Fergie quote was out of order but yeah hell of a player and we could do with his energy out on the pitch.

 

[LInkash]

Seems like a ,bit of PR to improve his image as he starts his managerial career. To show he's not a bad person and he's not thick.

 

[noodlehair]

I havent watched it as I find footballer's personal lives boring and I suspect the football side of it would just reveal what was already fairly obvious. That he was an extremely good player that didn't look after himself as well as he could have and didn't always listen to the right people.

The contract thing was a big mistake as it changed the fans attitude towards him, and rightly so as it was disrespectful to the club.

He's still one of the best players I've watched for us or anyone else though. Rare combination of being an extremely good player in general and having those genius moments that no other player would be able to do. Plus until his fitness caught up with him he'd charge around and work like a maniac.

 

[2 man midfield]

I think the truth is that Fergie stayed a year longer than he intended to in order to win the Premier League back from City. He could have got out much faster and had already gone back on one retirement.

Exactly. Fergie owes us nothing at all. If anything he did overtime.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

One of those players I appreciate more after his career has ended. Absolutely wonderful football. With his high octane style he'd be really well suited to a syncronized high pressing system. Granted he could have maintained himself better but his energy level and drive was also spectacular. Used to put everything on the line.

 

[Sandikan]

What a stupid thing to say, the man was 70 years old and had worked with the Glazers for about 7 years by that point.

It's really dense thinking and so annoying as it's a weird revisionism that has crept in.

Fergie cruised the last title and went out a winner.
Because everyone else was crap after doesn't mean he ran off scared, as if he'd burnt out his vehicle and knew it was seconds from totally collapsing.
He left a squad that I truly believe almost any pro manager could have kept top 4 as a minimum.
Moyes failed so badly. So very badly that he had us under his old Everton lot.
No one in the country would have said that Everton team were better than United, and I've not even seen any of the revisionism crew try and claim it either.

 

[tenpoless]

They say he's a legend

 

[clarkydaz]

Snide dig at fergie but still asks him for managerial advice.

 

[Hughie77]

Good watch, candid. What I did like about Rooney is that he gave 100% . And if SAF asked him to fill in at CB he would have given the same 100% . I've watched games were he's dragged us into games. And he's right Ronny went Tevez went and they were never replaced by anything resembling them. 2008 season was another treble bar a massive cock up in FA Cup. That team imo was a better one than 99. But 99 was the one that got the breaks . Love another Rooney in today's Squad.

 

[bond19821982]

Rooney > Ronaldo for me and I am not from UK.
Legend !!


For all his greatness, Rooney is right in saying SAF should have been more proactive in getting the replacement right for Ronaldo and Tevez. We could have gotten anyone for that money after the CL success.

 

[clarkydaz]

For all his greatness, Rooney is right in saying SAF should have been more proactive in getting the replacement right for Ronaldo and Tevez. We could have gotten anyone for that money after the CL success.

I thought the Ronaldo money went on servicing the debt. Thats why we we we shopping for bargains

 

[2 man midfield]

Rooney > Ronaldo for me and I am not from UK.
Legend !!


For all his greatness, Rooney is right in saying SAF should have been more proactive in getting the replacement right for Ronaldo and Tevez. We could have gotten anyone for that money after the CL success.

To be fair to Rooney it’s basically what everyone was saying at the time and have been since. The difference is the fans placed the blame on the Glazers. We all know Sir Alex loved a striker, and frequently broke the British transfer record for players he wanted. There’s no way he’d have wanted to weaken us when we were at the top.

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

Rooney's quote near the end which was something like

"Fergie saw where United were headed and he got out as fast as he could. Now they're still picking up the pieces"

Was that a recent quote? Seems it should have got more coverage than it has (haven't seen it anywhere)

I'd really like him to extend on what that means too - lack of investment in the playing side?

That has never made any sense to me. It's lazy retrospective determinism. We had just crushed City and everyone else in sight and won the league at a canter. The title race ceased to be intriguing in mid February. I'm not sure what about that would have catalyzed an "escape" by the man who just won title in 3rd gear.

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

Good watch, candid. What I did like about Rooney is that he gave 100% . And if SAF asked him to fill in at CB he would have given the same 100% . I've watched games were he's dragged us into games. And he's right Ronny went Tevez went and they were never replaced by anything resembling them. 2008 season was another treble bar a massive cock up in FA Cup. That team imo was a better one than 99. But 99 was the one that got the breaks . Love another Rooney in today's Squad.

John Terry slipping while he's about to take the winning penalty kick constitutes a bigger break than anything the Treble side had.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

I enjoyed the throwback to 2004 - I was 13 at the time so didn't really appreciate what it meant to sign him on the back of the Euros, especially when moneybags Chelsea were lurking everywhere.

A lot of it seemed quite forced, a PR stunt ahead of what appears to be a budding managerial career. I don't mind the concept, but I didn't particularly engage with the whole thing because I've followed his career from 2004 anyway.

 

[GMoore23]

Rooney > Ronaldo for me and I am not from UK.
Legend !!


For all his greatness, Rooney is right in saying SAF should have been more proactive in getting the replacement right for Ronaldo and Tevez. We could have gotten anyone for that money after the CL success.

That was nothing to do with Fergie. It was 100% on the Glazers. We could have kept Tevez and then gotten Robben and Sneijder for a combined 35m that summer. We'd still have had change from the Ronaldo deal.
I'll never forgive the Glazers for that period which set us up for the mess we're in now.
I truly believe they robbed Fergie of a 3rd CL title.

 

[Sandikan]

John Terry slipping while he's about to take the winning penalty kick constitutes a bigger break than anything the Treble side had.

It would certainly be a debate.

Bayern hit the woodwork a few times in that final, and Arsenal had a last min pen saved in the fa cup semi.
Either of those are single moments that would have killed things in the same way Terry could have.

 

[2 man midfield]

That was nothing to do with Fergie. It was 100% on the Glazers. We could have kept Tevez and then gotten Robben and Sneijder for a combined 35m that summer. We'd still have had change from the Ronaldo deal.
I'll never forgive the Glazers for that period which set us up for the mess we're in now.
I truly believe they robbed Fergie of a 3rd CL title.

Robben even scored the goal that knocked us out the following year. If we’d got him I’m sure we’d have gotten past Bayern. All we’d then have to do is beat Jose’s Inter again like we did the season before.

All ifs buts and maybes but I’ve said many times on here that the rot we’re seeing now started in 2009.

 

[lex talionis]

I'll have to check this out, as soon as I'm done with Reacher, also on Amazon Prime. Fantastic.

As for Wayne himself, he hit incredible heights as a footballer but I suspect most observers would agree he never reached his full potential. What full potential might that be? Just short of Pele/Maradona/Ronaldo/Messi -- definitely not that far off. He can't be blamed for England never winning an international tournament but he always fell short of hitting his peak level during international tournaments. Maybe a peak Rooney would have gotten England over the top, maybe not. Prime Rooney was insane and would walk straight into any England XI ever assembled before or today, Harry Kane notwithstanding.

On the personal front, short of something really shocking I don't pay much attention to the personal lives of footballers. With respect to shagging grannies, I'm not sure if that was speculation or the truth, but whichever it was it's really not our concern. Contract negotiations and the like, definitely our concern. Wayne did acquit himself disgracefully when he knew he had United over a barrel.

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

It would certainly be a debate.

Bayern hit the woodwork a few times in that final, and Arsenal had a last min pen saved in the fa cup semi.
Either of those are single moments that would have killed things in the same way Terry could have.

Regarding the Arsenal semi, We should have beaten arsenal in the first match 4 days earlier, had David Ellery not decided to chalk off Keane's goal for a non-existent offside. We could have also killed the match with multiple sitters by Solskjaer before it ever got to stoppage time.

I agree with you regarding the Bayern match in general, but regarding the woodwork, the Janker one might carries more weight in this argument than the Scholl chip, which only barely cleared Schmeichel's outstretched arm. Had it been on target I think Schmeichel would have gotten a stronger finger tip to it.

In addition to that, if we start counting posts and chances to bury a tie, Chelsea hit the woodwork multiple times in the 2008 final themsleves, including a Lámpard sitter that was a better chance than anything Bayern produced in the 99 final.


Both sides had their fair share of luck, but if it's a comparison, I don't think a Champions League winning penalty can be topped. At least in my opinion.

 

[MacGlock88]

Rooney's quote near the end which was something like

"Fergie saw where United were headed and he got out as fast as he could. Now they're still picking up the pieces"

Was that a recent quote? Seems it should have got more coverage than it has (haven't seen it anywhere)

I'd really like him to extend on what that means too - lack of investment in the playing side?

That was a strange one. Right near the end, a dig at SAF.
Wonder if SAF will exercise his right to reply.

 

[MacGlock88]

This stuff was super uncomfortable for me. What I found weird about it was that it didn't really focus on the why for Rooney and how he's subsequently dealt with those issues (or not), but rather it focused on Coleen and her decision to not leave him. It was just awkward scenes of her justifying her decision to stay without saying too much, and Rooney standing there awkwardly. You'd swear she was the one who fecked up.

Also I didn't have any time for that quote on Sir Alex and why he decided to retire. If we can't allow a man in his 70s to retire without begrudging him, then I'm not sure who can retire without criticism. Total sour grapes from Rooney there.

I didn't think they needed to go into the detail too much. It looked like they answered the question on the hop, and not in a pre planned way. Wayne was just leaning on the counter, trance like.

Big beard on him most of the way through. They he pops up (at the same interview table), clean shaven.
Better head of hair on him now than in the decade past.

 

[lsd]

It's really dense thinking and so annoying as it's a weird revisionism that has crept in.

Fergie cruised the last title and went out a winner.
Because everyone else was crap after doesn't mean he ran off scared, as if he'd burnt out his vehicle and knew it was seconds from totally collapsing.
He left a squad that I truly believe almost any pro manager could have kept top 4 as a minimum.
Moyes failed so badly. So very badly that he had us under his old Everton lot.
No one in the country would have said that Everton team were better than United, and I've not even seen any of the revisionism crew try and claim it either.

I would have hoped Rooney might have been more aware of staying too long when you are past your best rather than criticising Fergie for going out when on top.

The memories of Moyes and Van Gaal making a clearly past it Rooney centrepiece of their plans week in week out are not easily forgiven in my view.

As much as i disliked Jose he at least recognised Rooney no longer deserved his United place.

 

[chiz2kul]

Apologies if there is a thread that covers this recently released docu-film on Amazon Prime, I couldn't find one.

I watched 'Rooney' earlier in the week. I am not entirely sure why himself and Coleen have agreed and made the film. I don't know what purpose they want it to serve.
A few quid? Raise their profile? Clear the air on their marriage? Or show off their new gaff etc..

all of the above.
fantastic footballer, but i've always thought he was a bit thick.

 

[RedCoffee]

What a stupid thing to say, the man was 70 years old and had worked with the Glazers for about 7 years by that point.

Agreed.
If he was that desperate to get out why would he join the board.

 

[Marwood]

Fergie got him another Premier League medal that last season. It certainly wasn't down to Wayne. He should be a smidge more grateful.

 

[Hughie77]

John Terry slipping while he's about to take the winning penalty kick constitutes a bigger break than anything the Treble side had.

I suppose you didn't follow the league season that much in 98 -99 . The CL was immense compared to that and the FA Cup run to win a table like 99 boys did needed a bit of fortune which I'm glad they had, not just a player slipping which I was over the moon with ,it couldn't have happened to a nicer fellow. Good Times eh. Long way off those now..

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

I suppose you didn't follow the league season that much in 98 -99 . The CL was immense compared to that and the FA Cup run to win a table like 99 boys did needed a bit of fortune which I'm glad they had, not just a player slipping which I was over the moon with ,it couldn't have happened to a nicer fellow. Good Times eh. Long way off those now..

I followed every match. And have more than half recorded on VHS tapes. Both teams had good fortune, as I said. You seem to be repeating my initial point.

 

[Hughie77]

I followed every match. And have more than half recorded on VHS tapes. Both teams had good fortune, as I said. You seem to be repeating my initial point.

Okay now all

 

[ThehatchetMan]

Great documentary, really enjoyed it. As a player definitely doesn’t get the credit he deserved, some of the clips were immense.

Particularly the one where he sprinted back and was the last man defending and won the ball with a sliding tackle and then crossed the half way line for a cross field pass into the box setting up a goal.

One thing Wayne was, was a selfless player determined to win and he always gave 100% every game. I think because of his selflessness and off the ball antics that he never got the praise he deserved. What a player though. And crafting himself into an excellent manager now too.

What we’d give to have another Wayne Rooney right now.

 

[RedIan]

It was a Good watch, his Mrs is one tolerant lady.

 

[alanjohnson]

Let's not forget Sir Alex Ferguson was going to turf Rooney out. He was a big problem at that time.

 

[LJP]

Enjoyed the documentary/film.
Good footage, rugged diamond of a footballer.

His hair has rebounded from yesteryear.
Which is fortunate.