Rooney: Manchester United should go 'all out' for Mauricio Pochettino

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    Inter Yer Nan Full Member

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    Unless we go tits up the rest of the season Ole is getting the job this summer. I’m very confident of that.
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    Icemav Full Member

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    Some very valid arguments for either Poch or OGS.

    OGS has had an amazing start but that is a far cry from continued success and squad building.

    Poch has a been fantastic for Spurs considering the resources, however the pressure is less there is no guarantee he could handle the move.

    What I don't understand is this talk of 'permanent' manager. Poch has already said he has unfinished business at Spurs and it may not be the right time for him just now.

    In that scenario why not give OGS an extension for next season? One season only. Gives time to Poch and also OGS..... low risk and all should become clear by then.
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    To be fair, there has been more pressure on Poch than on OGS so far this season. Ole came in with no expectations since he wasn't expected to get top 4 and expected to get knocked out by PSG in the CL. It's not as if he has managed the expectations that for example Moyes had to deal with.
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    Christ on bike, Poch has only 2 years more managerial experience than Ole, We don't even know Ole's playing style yet but somehow you've manage to conclude that he "lacked defensive tactics" after 20 days at the job.
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    There are some fcuking idiots on this forum. The Poch vs Ole posts are ridiculous.
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    Ish Lights on for Luke

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    On top of Ole not having signed a single player that is "his", yet. A month or so ago it was a no-brainer in favor of Poch, IMO, bu now I'm actually not advocating either/or - because Ole's making it a bloody impossible decision thus far.
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    Ole + Phelan > Poch

    This is something that is consistently ignored about Poch on here. He has taken a liking to working without a director of football and he is an authoritarian manager. He goes against the direction the club is apparently going for. The influence of Phelan can also not be ignored, hiring Poch will mean he will probably be replaced.
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    One big advantage that Ole has, which Jose, LVG or even Poch won't have is the goodwill with the fans. All fans know he is one of us and any and every decision he makes, every comment he makes to the press will solely be for the benefit of Man Utd. His legacy is completely tied with that of Man Utd and there can be no talk of him doing what's best for him (ala Jose) or trying to implement his own philosophy (ala LVG). With Poch, even though i'm not for a second suggesting he would give anything less than 110% if given the job, there's no guarantee that what's best for him will be best for the club. He might one day want to go to Real or Barca. For Ole we know this is the pinnacle and as long as he's performing we won't have to worry about him even thinking of going anywhere else.

    Also, the players will know they can't get on the wrong side of him and expect to outlast him at the club, because the fans won't turn on Ole, its kind of like a SAF situation where the manager was bigger than the players and I feel that while it'll take Poch a long time to establish that kind of authority and goodwill, Ole could do it much quicker.
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    ReddBalls New Member

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    Yeah, and the defensive tactics he is supposedly sorely lacking has made United the team with the best defensive record in the league since his appointment.
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    Unless we fail to qualify for the CL,I think he”ll end up getting the job and quite rightly so...
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    I wouldn'y say that Ole has done more than Poch in his first 5 years. He has managed Molde, went to Cardiff, failed (in very difficult circumstances) and went back to Molde and is now Manchester United caretaker, while Poch built his way up from Espanyol to Southampton and now Spurs. Poch's career has had a much more upwards trajectory than Ole's.

    That being said, Ole now has the chance to show he's just as good as Poch and come summer he might just have done that. The only thing I think Ole needs to work a lot on is getting some success out of our fringe players such as Fred, Pereira, Alexis and Lukaku. If he can get those to perform at a decent level, especially the first 2, then the club can also perform in a lot of competitions. The next month will show just how much he can get out of those players, and how far we can get in the 3 competitions we're in.
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    Yep. Some people just see what their agenda allows them to.
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    well there are a few things to talk about here. Pochettino and his wonderful eye on how things can drastically improve at the club. I Do think he can be a huge influence on the lads here, he can get them playing most of their football in the opponents half. Ole on the other hand will teach the lads how to fight under intense pressure. We have a good run until the end of the season and then it'll be time to decide. My only worry is, while Ole is awesome we have a slight chance of losing Poch to Real Madrid if we don't wrap him up now. He's a manager for the ages and he can do wonders with a proper budget and a good team like that of ours.

    All in all i'd be happy with either of them. Greatly happy because Jose "The SPECIAL One " is gone :P
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    And most in form team in Europe...
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    The average Real Madrid manager tenure is about 2 seasons. I'm honestly not worried about him going there because he won't last 3 seasons anyway. We could just pick him up after that if Ole doesn't work out. There is absolutely no pressure to pick Pochettino up now.
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    Don't know why we should deny Solskjaer a real chance if he keeps delivering like this. Imho he brought back some Fergie spirit, released some leashes and lets the lads play football and enjoy it.
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    He was fired by Espanyol in his 3rd year with them bottom of La Liga (9 points from 13 games). He complained about the financial constraints. Javier Aquirre came in and got 35 points from the remaining 23 games with the same players. Is any of this sounding familiar?
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    I'm tired of hearing about this stuff now, like Pochettino has been some sort of footballing messiah. Klopp was also fired from Mainz after getting them relegated.

    People need to understand that one poor job doesn't make you a bad manager. I'm amazed that people are willing to overlook both of those two but won't cut Solskjaer a break on Cardiff. Unreal.
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    Either Ole or Poch would be a great appointment IMO. I prefer Ole, but there's no wrong answer. And it's awesome to see the Caf's traditional criteria for managing United being trashed. Remember when Ole had to work his way up the ladder to prove himself here?
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    Especially as Solskjaer was parachuted into a club already close to relegation and failed to turn it round. Pochettino took a mid-table club with players he was familiar with and turned them into rubbish.

    The other problem I have with Pochettino is his strong commitment to 4231. One thing we learned from the Mourinho years is that there doesn't seem to be a role in a 4231 that lets Pogba blossom. And I can't see Rashford as the sole target man. Solskjaer's 41212 plays to the strengths of the players we have.
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    Us not getting into the CL should have nothing to do with it though in my opinion. He wasn't hired to get us into the top 4 I would presume, he was hired to simply steady the ship and stop us being a massive joke. He's done brilliantly and suddenly top 4 looks very likely again. But it shouldn't be the defining factor if we're still playing well and winning, but at this point if we keep doing those things, we should finish in the CL spots as our competition aren't looking too strong.
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    If Ole keeps delivering and Poch still gets the job, he will be under massive pressure from day one, both internally and externally. That is something the United board has to consider.
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    Ish Lights on for Luke

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    Either it’s a lack of knowledge on what Potch or Klopp did before Dortmund/Southampton or it’s simply just pushing an agenda/point of view.
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    And before that he had gotten them to 8th in the 10/11 season and then had to sell his 3 best attacking/creative players. The season after he got them to 14th with the new arrivals bought for less than a fourth of the price, not performing as well as the departed ones. The summer before he got fired he spent 700k€ on 2 players and got 3 free transfers.

    That in my mind gives you a right to bitch a little bit about not getting enough funds. You can't expect a manager to perform at a high level each season without putting anything into the team. And Javier Aguirre got two 13th league positions the next 2 years before leaving on mutual consent.

    Clearly Espanyol didn't want to/couldn't afford to spend money whilst still demanding more success from both managers. That doesn't mean Poch didn't perform at Espanyol. Since his depature the club has only managed 8th once more and no higher league position.
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    Sphaero Struggling to explain his genius to the hoi polloi

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    That is incredibly inaccurate. Klopp left Mainz not after being relegated but after narrowly missing promotion to the Bundesliga. He also was not fired, quite the contrary actually, but left on his own accord by not renewing his contract, eventhough he was offered a new, more lucrative contract multiple times. Nobody in their right mind in Mainz wanted him gone, which is why his farewell event produced a giant sea of tears by supporters, officials, staff, players and himself. His time at Mainz was by no means a failure, but a major success story. He and DoF Heidel layed the foundations that put a club like Mainz, which was club midget compared to the bigger German club working on a shoe string budget on the Bundesliga map.

    I would even agree with the sentiment that one failure should not define a coaching career, but the example justifying it is a really poor one.
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    They're a mid-table side in La Liga - not having a lot of money should hardly come as a surprise. Still doesn't explain why the players who earned 35 points in 23 games for Aquirre only got 9 points in 13 games for Pochettino. Kind of smacks of Solskjaer/Mourinho doesn't it. Did the players "down tools"? Or was it just crap management? The rest of the season took away the excuse that the players weren't good enough.
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    There's a reason I'm harping on about Pochettino's last year at Espanyol. I don't want anyone with Mourinho-like behaviour patterns anywhere near United. Pochettino at Espanyol looks a lot like Mourinho at Chelsea and then at United - decent performance for a couple of years followed by a toxic meltdown in the third. "I didn't get the players I wanted" isn't an excuse. The manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has. Giving up on that job is not a character defect I want associated with a United manager.
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    I'm not sure what the Espanyol players did or if it was the system Pochettino had at that time, but it was still a good experience for him regardless of how the team performed with the new manager.

    The thing is though, if he's coming to United he won't have the same problem that he had at Espanyol. We are a buying club, not a selling one. Taking Mourinho's bitching into the argument doesn't really work for me, as he spent around 300 million and still demanded more whilst Pochettino almost didn't get any money at all. I know he's talking about it at Spurs now, but that's after 2 transfer windows which we saw no one come in and their best midfielder last season leave. The teams Pochettino managed has taken more away from him than the teams Mourinho managed took away from Mourinho. Mourinho has always been bitching and moaning about transfers and still getting players with high value in, while Pochettino has been bitching about when given next to nothing.
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    How is it not an excuse when a team sells three of their best players and does not reinvest that money, making it impossible to replace them? They are going to get worse no matter the manager. If in the summer we sold Rashford, Martial and Pogba and didn't reinvest sufficient money to replace them, would you expect Solskjaer to finish in the same position as if he had kept them?

    The thing is people on here believe that only players can be dissatisfied and thus play poorly, but people have to remember that the manager is also an employee. Managers can also perform worse because of having a boss (directors) given them expectations that they cannot fulfill because of insufficient support, which they may have been promised when they joined. This can be demoralising and infuriating, resulting in them not giving a crap. I always find it weird how people only seem to accept that this is the case for players but not for managers.

    Besides, your point seems a bit redundant as he has kept Tottenham at the top of the league with no investment this year. In fact, they are only 5 points off first place, so doesn't that say that Pochettino can manage up to your expectations without moaning.
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    There seems to be a really strong will here to paint Klopp as a totally inept manager.. Its really fair to say that the clubs he has managed have been in a much better shape when he left than when he started.
    Klopp is a great manager but a serial winner he is not.
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    Pochettino is only a few points away from the title.

    He has every right & capacity to win it whilst the money & players of Liverpool/City are clearly not an issue for him as his points haul shows it.

    However - if he doesn't win it; he isn't clearly a winner. People can't big up his tactics because him being points away from the title but then blame the difference in player class & money as the reason he didn't win it.

    He is at the same level as clubs above him & that is down to him. Now he needs to bag up the excuses & win it as well.
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    Aye, missing a top 5 player in the league and a few others. No excuses.
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    As I always say - Llorente is not representing the ability of Tottenham - it's representative of the type of football pochettin0 is glued to playing & the strict type of striker he uses upfront.

    At united; Lukaku has a big chance over Rashford if he intends to use a single striker formation.
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    I am for Poch. Yes, everything now is good and (i hope) it will be for the rest of the season with Ole. But i agree with Rooney. We must go for Poch. He is made for us and he is not a risk. He is just perfect manager for Man Utd.
    But my opinion is that Ed will hire Ole. Free solution who can be huge success. And did i mention that he is basically free?:wenger:
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    Well no, the reason you can blame it on money is because the money has limited his ability to have depth in his squad. Llorente was bought as a good cheap backup - 12 mill. They tried to buy Martial, who would have been a starter on the wing, but also fill in as a number 9 now that Kane is injured. So you can’t really use Llorente as an argument for Poch’s unwavering desire to have a certain type of striker up top. They’re also missing dele who is a massive player for them. And instead of falling off as we all thought they would they are still right up there.

    This post is just such a weird line of argument.
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    What are you even on about here? we've always used Son/Dele roaming up front when Kane is injured, Llorente has only been starting when ALL 3 OF THEM have been missing. now with 2 of them still out and Lucas in poor form we might continue to use Llorente with Son but even in our last match he was dropped.
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    40m to get this guy vs 8m to get Ole. Is there anyone here delusional enough to think Ed Woodward is going for Poch ? Even if Spurs won the league & UCL , he is still not coming here.
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    I think this is going to be an increasingly important factor and could even be the decisive one in the end. And rightly so.

    Also combined with how important marketing and image are to those running the club and how much better I would think Ole would be for that being a club legend and all.

    A few important factors to consider outside of on pitch performance which, hopefully, continue to also be good.
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    Poch hasn't played 4-2-3-1 this season, but a type of 4-4-2 diamond, and previous seasons he also tinkered with his formation such as with a back 3. I think he is quite tactically flexible.
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    will people stop implying that we are going to penny pinch when all the evidence is plainly to the contrary?:rolleyes: