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Roulette Draft - Round 1 - Harms/Sjor vs. Moby/Red Viper
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Yes I think that’s all fair. I guess the only thing about that is it’s not Mobys fault if TRV missed the deadline.
Anyway hopefully TRV or Moby submit a proper formation graphic / write up soon and EAP and could just edit it in.
At first glance Moby has more star power. Then I thought about how Iniesta is the best midfielder on the pitch and probably the best player as well. Him in a Pep-system makes that case even stronger.
Well done for the research of Litmanen vs Redondo. I did not expect to see him in midfield, I thought he was more striker-ish and would be played as false 9 like he was at Ajax. I also expected a 343 with Netto as LWB because I didn‘t think he could feature as LB in a back 4, but he makes totally sense as a Fabian Delph remake.
I don‘t want to comment on Moby‘s eleven because it is not his line-up/tactics. I will just say well done for the drafting, one of the best efforts around and a good blend of complimentary star power and workmanship. I always thought from the outside how it can‘t be that hard to draft a squad full of great players, but now I experienced it at first hand that you need great skill and experience to accomplish that. I was just watching in awe how you racked up one star player after another
Well done for the research of Litmanen vs Redondo. I did not expect to see him in midfield, I thought he was more striker-ish and would be played as false 9 like he was at Ajax. I also expected a 343 with Netto as LWB because I didn‘t think he could feature as LB in a back 4, but he makes totally sense as a Fabian Delph remake.
I don‘t want to comment on Moby‘s eleven because it is not his line-up/tactics. I will just say well done for the drafting, one of the best efforts around and a good blend of complimentary star power and workmanship. I always thought from the outside how it can‘t be that hard to draft a squad full of great players, but now I experienced it at first hand that you need great skill and experience to accomplish that. I was just watching in awe how you racked up one star player after another
He would never say he is the better player, he is too humble
I don't think I've heard of Stan Mortensen before, any more info on him? Other than that great drafting from both sides.
MortensenPop quiz, hotshot: Who is the only man to score a hat trick in a Wembley FA Cup final? Who was the first post-war footballer to score in every round of the FA Cup? Who scored England’s first ever goal in World Cup qualifying? Who scored England’s first ever goal at a World Cup finals? The answer to all four questions is Stan Mortensen. Seriously, why haven’t films been made about this man? His career reads like Roy of the Rovers as written by Ian Fleming. Plane crash survivor. Wartime spiv. International goal machine. Posthumous symbol of hope.
Read more at: https://beyondthelastman.com/2018/05/02/blackpools-other-stanley-the-stan-mortensen-story/
Mortensen and Wright combining
Finney and Mortensen combining
Hoped for a more active discussion. Not from @Moby, obviously, and not so much about the game but I would love to hear people's thoughts on our team. The whole draft was an experiment and it's interesting to see how successful it was.
Obviously this was not our ideal team — that chain at the end really fecked us, so we went with Mortensen and put Eto'o outwide. Ideally we were hoping for someone like Simonsen on the right (or, from the very beginning, Robben). But the defence and midfield are close to perfect — Iniesta, Netto, Zanetti, Koeman and Schweiny (alongside Voronin) were all our first choices for that positions and I feel that Litmanen (especially) with Wright were great additions.
Obviously this was not our ideal team — that chain at the end really fecked us, so we went with Mortensen and put Eto'o outwide. Ideally we were hoping for someone like Simonsen on the right (or, from the very beginning, Robben). But the defence and midfield are close to perfect — Iniesta, Netto, Zanetti, Koeman and Schweiny (alongside Voronin) were all our first choices for that positions and I feel that Litmanen (especially) with Wright were great additions.
I like your side a lot but I would have preferred somebody more like voronin instead of schweign. at the base of midfield and obviously a better central striker and defender alongside koeman(if only to get more votes)
I like a lot of the fits. Not sure about the attack though and, as much as it's refereshing to see Mortensen picked, not sold on his fit to a Pep team.
Yeah, I agree — as I said, it was a desperate move that lead us far from the original blueprint. We went to the Finney>Wright chain in a hope that we'll get a no mate for the last round (plus Finney offered much needed versatility), but no luck.
congrats @Moby , hope you are ok
Yeah, congratulations @Moby (hopefully all is well with your health) and @The Red Viper. Love the attacking unit and Sheva fits in just perfectly in 3-5-2 with Laudrup, Kaltz etc. I'm not fully sold on the defence but that's why we have reinforcements.
Harms without sjor= wins the whole thing
Harms with sjor= first round exit
Harms with sjor= first round exit
Aye I suppose that's the luck-based nature of the draft. Like the use of Litmanen insofar as you can see could see him getting dropped into Pep's City today quite seamlessly. Could also see him getting some joy out of Redondo.
In NBA the worst team gets a first pick, here we done the opposite - the winner gets me as AM.
From next draft onwards, we should award the winner something.. Maybe first choice on position in drafting order?
Can we get the roll?
Beaten by a managerless team.
Kidding obv, good team as always. And ya the surgery went well, thanks. Bit of downtime before I recover fully.
Wish this was played before I went in. Had prepared a full onslaught for Ronald Slowman facing that attack.
Good to hear the surgery went well. Take restBeaten by a managerless team.
Kidding obv, good team as always. And ya the surgery went well, thanks. Bit of downtime before I recover fully.
Wish this was played before I went in. Had prepared a full onslaught for Ronald Slowman facing that attack.
It’s actually a good strategy, I remember it working well a few times - post nothing, your opponent begins to feel weird and stop posting as well, or looks like a mad man trying to argue with himself or with imagined argumentsBeaten by a managerless team.
Was expecting attacks on Koeman and he was one of the reasons why we knew that we're not going far — I'd never upgrade him or Netto because of the theme and they're doomed to be seen as a weakness in the later stages (if not in the first round — Sheva is not a type of a striker that Koeman will be comfortable with)
I'd even make a case for Koeman being underrated defensively (which is definitely the case — to an extent) if it were someone other than Shevchenko on the other side.
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It's nice to see Netto being included in a possession based lineup. The old Spartak possession style(now long abandoned) never gained the same level of international appreciation as what Dynamo Kiev were doing tactically, the 70s-90s teams that were competing in European competition usually had a few too many other issues that stopped them being successful enough to draw attention, not least a lack of regard for defensive side of things. Yet looking purely from a tactical perspective at their style when on the ball, it was very sophisticated, forward thinking stuff that had the majority of components we see in modern possession teams being performed to a high standard, without getting too bogged down in slow buildup. The Netto led teams of the 50s were the genesis of that, but were more well rounded(relative to the era) and had a lot more firepower than any of the later sides, it would have been interesting to see them in the early European cups.
The consequences of the chain explain some of the odd fits imo. Some good stuff on Mortensen though that fit still just seems out of place. But it makes sense as Eto'o was the player you were targeting for CF. Eto'o - Simonsen would have been a lot easier to visualize for me as a Pep City homage. Same with a Iniesta-Schwein-Voronin midfield. So I'd say you two were spot on with the strategy but the chains just forced less than ideal fits.