Roy Keane the pundit

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I loved him as our captain and midfield general.

But Roy Keane the person is a bitter, miserable guy and I am glad he's not on Sky or BT Sports so I don't have to put up with his petulant hard man act every time we play.

Anyone else fed up with him or does everyone here adore Roy?
 
He doesn't seem to like anything very much.

Whenever he comes out with something, it's always negative. He was even saying we were shite when we were winning titles
 
His hard man act reminds me of the bullies at school. It's quite tiresome now.

I find him a bit cringe to be honest.
 
His comments on Mourinho and the fixture congestion are ridiculous.

Thursday night, Monday night, Thursday night, Sunday morning is clearly a ridiculous fixture schedule. With UK tv hindering rather than helping the situation.
 
Untied said:
His comments on Mourinho and the fixture congestion are ridiculous.

Thursday night, Monday night, Thursday night, Sunday morning is clearly a ridiculous fixture schedule. With UK tv hindering rather than helping the situation.
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Not much wrong with what Keano said. Mourinho has resumed his paranoid conspiracy theories of late. First with Pogba, now this.

"Absolute nonsense!"
 
His attitude is better than a manager publicly complaining about how hard it is to have to play two games per week all season. Complaining isn't going to make it any easier.

It doesn't change how hard it is, though.
 
Nope Keane is right.

We know this about José, he has a victim complex and was only a matter of time before it showed itself. He was talking "nonsense."
 
Judge Red said:
His attitude is better than a manager publicly complaining about how hard it is to have to play two games per week all season. Complaining isn't going to make it any easier.

It doesn't change how hard it is, though.
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He's not complaining about playing two games every week, he's complaining that the way those two games are scheduled are ridiculous. Other associations give their clubs a helping hand in Europe by scheduling their league or domestic cup games at times that have the least impact on their European escapades. The FA or the Premier League offer no such protection and that's what Mourinho's gripe is.

As for Keano, he says it as it is. He doesn't take bullshit from any club, not just United. In this particular instance though, I side with José.
 
He obviously plays up to his role as a negative hard man. It's the same as Scholes plays up to his role of whinging about stuff all the time. They probably did it a few times and people reacted so they're asked to keep doing it and it gets more and more controversial every time. It generates the debates and does get people watching the shows they're on. I'm pretty sure it's why BT Sport keep people like Michael Owen around as well.
 
I wonder if 15 years ago he ever thought that he'd be sitting in a nice, comfy studio trying to be controversial.
 
Oggmonster said:
He obviously plays up to his role as a negative hard man. It's the same as Scholes plays up to his role of whinging about stuff all the time. They probably did it a few times and people reacted so they're asked to keep doing it and it gets more and more controversial every time. It generates the debates and does get people watching the shows they're on. I'm pretty sure it's why BT Sport keep people like Michael Owen around as well.
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I don't particularly think that Keane plays up or acts up as a hard man. He is a hard man.

And what he said this time was not exactly controversial at all. A few fans are a bit tired of jose's moaning with fixtures. Nothing wrong with it. It does not mean they scream hard to sack him as well. Not many can tolerate certain stuff when you keep doing it again and again.

Funny thing is how jose said we had so many enemies and being treated unfair etc is not controversial at all? But, apparently for some people, Keane or someone telling him to stfu because it is getting tiresome is.
 
Zebs said:
He's not complaining about playing two games every week, he's complaining that the way those two games are scheduled are ridiculous. Other associations give their clubs a helping hand in Europe by scheduling their league or domestic cup games at times that have the least impact on their European escapades. The FA or the Premier League offer no such protection and that's what Mourinho's gripe is.

As for Keano, he says it as it is. He doesn't take bullshit from any club, not just United. In this particular instance though, I side with José.
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I'm not sure what else could be done about the fixtures. There's only so many days in the week. The two Rostov games with Chelsea in between, how else could they have been arranged that would make any kind of difference?

Ibra and Blind hadn't played for a week, Bailly a couple of weeks, Mata 10 days or so, Herrera and Mkhi only played 30 mins from Thursday to Thursday. Rashford has played maybe twice in two weeks. Lingard, Shaw, Carrick, BFS and TFM need games. They can't get enough minutes.
 
The United said:
I don't particularly think that Keane plays up or acts up as a hard man. He is a hard man.

And what he said this time was not exactly controversial at all. A few fans are a bit tired of jose's moaning with fixtures. Nothing wrong with it. It does not mean they scream hard to sack him as well. Not many can tolerate certain stuff when you keep doing it again and again.

Funny thing is how jose said we had so many enemies and being treated unfair etc is not controversial at all? But, apparently for some people, Keane or someone telling him to stfu because it is getting tiresome is.
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I'm not saying he's not a hard man (I'm sure he is) he just seems to be playing up to it and being an exaggerated version of himself. Like how Scholes is probably naturally a bit cynical and is now on BT Sport being the most miserable person in the world or how Merson is probably a bit stupid and is on Soccer Saturday playing the village idiot every week. There's others to, Kamara, Owen, Robbie Savage, Chris Sutton. Look on anything like Facebook or Twitter when they're on TV and they tend to be the topic of conversation so it obviously works for the stations. They're probably being themselves I agree just an exaggerated version.

He did say controversial things. He said he's "sick" of Jose. That's controversial in itself even if others agree with him. Being sick of the manager of the biggest football club in the world when he's just won a trophy and got to the QF of the Europa League in controversial. Especially when the manager in question is one of the most successful managers around. It's not like asking for Moyes out. He also said that the banana thing was all staged which is controversial as well.

When did I say Mourinho isn't controversial either? He's done it for years, he's played the victim and used mind games at Chelsea, Madrid and Inter. He's doing the same at United. Mourinho has caused controversy for years. There's pretty much a camera on him watching his reactions every game we play.

They both know what they're doing, both create controversy.
 
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I'm not sure what else could be done about the fixtures. There's only so many days in the week. The two Rostov games with Chelsea in between, how else could they have been arranged that would make any kind of difference?

Ibra and Blind hadn't played for a week, Bailly a couple of weeks, Mata 10 days or so, Herrera and Mkhi only played 30 mins from Thursday to Thursday. Rashford has played maybe twice in two weeks. Lingard, Shaw, Carrick, BFS and TFM need games. They can't get enough minutes.
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If they didn't want to move anything significantly then probably move Chelsea to Sunday evening, Boro game to Sunday evening again et voila, would probably suffice.

As for Keano, he likes himself some controversy, nothing new, likes going against the current. He'd defended Fellaini when many were on his back, disagrees with something that I perceive more or less logical (moaning) from Mourinho. He was a player himself, he surely knows a thing or two about being knackered, stupid congestion of fixtures, etc. If he said Mou was right, shit wouldn't sell obviously.
 
Oggmonster said:
I'm not saying he's not a hard man (I'm sure he is) he just seems to be playing up to it and being an exaggerated version of himself. Like how Scholes is probably naturally a bit cynical and is now on BT Sport being the most miserable person in the world or how Merson is probably a bit stupid and is on Soccer Saturday playing the village idiot every week. There's others to, Kamara, Owen, Robbie Savage, Chris Sutton. Look on anything like Facebook or Twitter when they're on TV and they tend to be the topic of conversation so it obviously works for the stations. They're probably being themselves I agree just an exaggerated version.

He did say controversial things. He said he's "sick" of Jose. That's controversial in itself even if others agree with him. Being sick of the manager of the biggest football club in the world when he's just won a trophy and got to the QF of the Europa League in controversial. Especially when the manager in question is one of the most successful managers around. It's not like asking for Moyes out. He also said that the banana thing was all staged which is controversial as well.

When did I say Mourinho isn't controversial either? He's done it for years, he's played the victim and used mind games at Chelsea, Madrid and Inter. He's doing the same at United. Mourinho has caused controversy for years. There's pretty much a camera on him watching his reactions every game we play.

They both know what they're doing, both create controversy.
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I think he can be sick of him. It does not matter if it is the greatest manager of all time or of United. Why can't he be sick of him without being controversial? Especially he gave out some reasons why?

Also, about the banana thing, what does it do for a player who is playing a game instantly? Like muscles being tight? or whatever? Which means we should sub that kind of players out instead of giving him a banana and risk it? Maybe there might be someone who can explain it since maybe I am a bit ignorant with it.

So, he probably has a reason to think it was staged? In case, if people point out about rio. The rio's case was different. Fergie was not moaning about how tire his team was at that time.

So someone calling jose out for being controversial is not exactly controversial at all especially when you admit jose caused it all the time.
 
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If they didn't want to move anything significantly then probably move Chelsea to Sunday evening, Boro game to Sunday evening again et voila, would probably suffice.

As for Keano, he likes himself some controversy, nothing new, likes going against the current. He'd defended Fellaini when many were on his back, disagrees with something that I perceive more or less logical (moaning) from Mourinho. He was a player himself, he surely knows a thing or two about being knackered, stupid congestion of fixtures, etc. If he said Mou was right, shit wouldn't sell obviously.
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But if you move Chelsea to Sunday that gives you one less day to recover from team first Rostov game. There's no benefit there, if anything I'd say that's worse.

I don't think Keane has sad anything controversial. He's just honest and forthright. Maybe the blandness of today's pundits makes it feel more controversial than it actually is.
 
Gone off Keane since he left United. fecking loved him as a player but not a fan of him as a pundit. I remember when he attacked Carrick because he didn't sound angry enough in his post match interview after we lost the first leg against Olympiacos under Moyes. And his bitterness towards Fergie is annoying as feck. It's such a shame that one of our greatest captains and one of the best midfielders to ever play for us is so detached from the club.

Remember when he did that documentary with Viera and they both picked the best players they played with and Keane left out the likes of Giggs, Neville and Scholes because they are loyal to Fergie? So bitter...
 
The United said:
I think he can be sick of him. It does not matter if it is the greatest manager of all time or of United. Why can't he be sick of him without being controversial? Especially he gave out some reasons why?

Also, about the banana thing, what does it do for a player who is playing a game instantly? Like muscles being tight? or whatever? Which means we should sub that kind of players out instead of giving him a banana and risk it? Maybe there might be someone who can explain it since maybe I am a bit ignorance with it.

So, he probably has a reason to think it was staged? In case, if people point out about rio. The rio's case was different. Fergie was not moaning about how tire his team was at that time.

So someone calling jose out for being controversial is not exactly controversial at all especially when you admit jose caused it all the time.
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I'm not saying he can't be sick of him. He can think what he likes and as a pundit has a platform to say it on TV but his opinion simply is a controversial one. It will cause people to disagree with him and debate it so it is the definition of controversial. It doesn't have to be some hugely ridiculous opinion just to be controversial. Just cos you have a reason for something doesn't mean your opinion isn't controversial.

Bananas are a source of potassium it's pretty common in other sports to eat them (tennis players do it often.) IT seemed more of an energy thing as well, he was tired rather than injured. He couldn't really come off either there was about 5minutes left and we had no defenders on the bench as Jones had already come on. Maybe could of brought Carrick on but I'd imagine they would rather Rojo played it out than put a CM in defence.

Fergie did moan about fixture congestion and the resulting tiredness as well. Every manager does. Proof:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...TV-scheduling-ahead-of-Real-Madrid-clash.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...win-Premier-League-the-hard-way-Football.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2297009/Alex-Ferguson-claims-fixtures-favour-Chelsea.html

There's probably hundreds of examples of it as well.

I don't really get your last point. Him saying he's "sick" of the United manager is controversial regardless of what Mourinho says or does. Being sick or fed up of the biggest manager in the world after less than a year in a job simply is controversial.

For what it's worth none of these pundits opinions really bother me either that's not my point. My point simply is their job is to create debate and controversy to get people to tune in and that's what Keane is doing. I'm pretty sure Neville said as much when he was on Sunday Supplement.
 
Why should people care what pundits say? They're like the panellists on Loose Women: no-one is queuing up to employ them (except as talking heads), and there's a reason for that...
 
Oggmonster said:
I'm not saying he can't be sick of him. He can think what he likes and as a pundit has a platform to say it on TV but his opinion simply is a controversial one. It will cause people to disagree with him and debate it so it is the definition of controversial. It doesn't have to be some hugely ridiculous opinion just to be controversial. Just cos you have a reason for something doesn't mean your opinion isn't controversial.

Bananas are a source of potassium it's pretty common in other sports to eat them (tennis players do it often.) IT seemed more of an energy thing as well, he was tired rather than injured. He couldn't really come off either there was about 5minutes left and we had no defenders on the bench as Jones had already come on. Maybe could of brought Carrick on but I'd imagine they would rather Rojo played it out than put a CM in defence.

Fergie did moan about fixture congestion and the resulting tiredness as well. Every manager does. Proof:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...TV-scheduling-ahead-of-Real-Madrid-clash.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...win-Premier-League-the-hard-way-Football.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2297009/Alex-Ferguson-claims-fixtures-favour-Chelsea.html

There's probably hundreds of examples of it as well.

I don't really get your last point. Him saying he's "sick" of the United manager is controversial regardless of what Mourinho says or does. Being sick or fed up of the biggest manager in the world after less than a year in a job simply is controversial.

For what it's worth none of these pundits opinions really bother me either that's not my point. My point simply is their job is to create debate and controversy to get people to tune in and that's what Keane is doing. I'm pretty sure Neville said as much when he was on Sunday Supplement.
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I know what banana does to athletes in general. Tennis players eating/drinking between breaks to boost energy is different to feeding one to a football player who is playing because he was tired. Tennis player can't sub himself. Football players can be. We had Carrick or Young who could come in as CB or LB. FFS we had 4 CBs on the pitch at that point and you can play as 4 4 2 or 3 5 2 with it.

Also it was not 5 mins to go. It was 20 mins to go. So it looked all fake especially when your manager has been moaning about it and had plan to do more after the match about the next match. So someone thinking and calling it staged is not going too far.

You should read more about what I said. I said rio cake case is different to this rojo banana case. Fergie was not moaning about his team being tired when rio ate the cake to parallel 2 cases. I never said Fergie never moaned about the fixtures.

The point being controversial is to be disagree with majority opinion? Well, many people and some of United fans might and are sick of jose's moaning. Certainly almost all of us laughed at him and bashed him for being a moaner when he was Chelsea manager.

Not that I care if keane is sick of him. But I am saying there is no controversial about saying he is sick of jose acting like whining bitch or something like that.
 
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Was there this moaning in 1999? Fixtures were just as bad then if I remember rightly? Fergie, Keane and the team embraced it if I remember rightly. Just don't get Jose's moaning. We only have so many fixtures as we've been successful! if you constantly hark on about the negatives then won't this feed down?
 
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But if you move Chelsea to Sunday that gives you one less day to recover from team first Rostov game. There's no benefit there, if anything I'd say that's worse.

I don't think Keane has sad anything controversial. He's just honest and forthright. Maybe the blandness of today's pundits makes it feel more controversial than it actually is.
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Don't know if it's controversial, it's more of a case of saying something incredibly stupid or being outraged at the clouds that it's raining. Managers have always whined about fixtures, tried to deflect the attention to something else. Mourinho's always specialised himself in the siege mentality tactics, us against the world, he's not the only manager that does it (vide Simeone), he's been here before, done that before. Why is Keane so outraged then? What is he outraged at? At his behaviour that's well known to everybody? That he's moaning about the fixtures congestion?

The line about the club being too big for Mourinho is straight out laughable.
 
Adore Keane. But he has his way of looking at the world which will seem bizarre at times. However, it's not entirely outlandish.
 
He dislikes Mourinho (as Keane himself has admitted a number of times recently) and can't or wont be objective about him; therefore, any 'points' he might have about JM are undermined from the very start.
 
Jose can be a moaning drama queen and you could argue that that mentality does tend to eventually seep into the dressing room a few seasons down the line. Hopefully Jose can learn from past jobs and can find the balance this time of success and longevity in keeping a dressing room fresh and motivated after a couple of successful seasons.

Keane definitely oversteps the mark at times. The fact that Jose is getting decent results while his team has been playing mostly decent stuff apart from looking jaded recently means that Jose has earned the right to have a good moan here and there unlike Moyes who served up a crock of shite every week and tried to blame everyone but himself which is a different type of negativity altogether.

Playing on a Thursday night and then having to play again away on a Sunday morning is pure insanity BUT.....Leicester played Wednesday night and they play away to West Ham at 3pm on a Saturday and we don't hear them complaining so maybe Jose needs to get on with it but yeah the fixtures in English football need to be revolutionized with a break at Christmas and a certain amount of days between games as players are getting injured or are not able to perform to their highest in big games at the end of the season due to fatigue and the FA seriously have to look into that soon.
 
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I'M all for pundits being forthright and controversial. It makes a change from the number of bland, anodyne former players commentary. The danger for Roy Keane is that he is becoming a caricature of himself, being stroppy and chippy about everything. And he really hasn't got over how he left United.
 
So bitter, and it's a shame.

He absolutely plays up to being the controversial hard man, who "tells it like it is". Roy doesn't like Mourinho, it's a simple as that. Mourinho will moan and moan about the fixtures because it's easy, you can't play 100% if you are playing 3 times a week, it's a fact you will get fatigued and more injuries in the squad.
 
He comes across as negative about everything, so does Scholesy in fairness, but in a more mopey, less hardman way.
 
The United said:
I know what banana does to athletes. Tennis players eating/drinking between breaks to boost energy is different to feeding one to a football player who is playing because he was tired. Tennis player can't sub himself. Football players can be. We had Carrick or Young who could come in as CB or LB. FFS we had 4 CBs on the pitch at that point and you can play as 4 4 2 or 3 5 2 with it.

Also it was not 5 mins to go. It was 20 mins to go. So it looked all fake especially when your manager has been moaning about it and had plan to do more after the match about the next match. So someone thinking and calling it staged is not going too far.

You should read more about what I said. I said rio cake case is different to this rojo banana case. Fergie was not moaning about his team being tired when rio ate the cake to parallel 2 cases. I never said Fergie never moaned about the fixtures.
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I'm not Mourinho I don't know why he didn't bring Carrick or Young on. Again from what he said it was more of an energy boost for the rest of the game. You're changing the subject with tactics from my point. The question wasn't "why didn't he bring Young on?" it was "Why did he eat a banana?" I'm not that bothered why he didn't bring Young on, he's the manager it's his decision.

It's a bit of a weird thing to get worked up about by you and Keane as well. He ate a banana, does it really matter why he did it? Again my point was by accusing someone of faking being tired and eating a banana it simply is a controversial comment. My whole original point was Keane says stuff to be controversial and he does.

I'd imagine he ate the Jaffa cakes for the same reason as eating a banana, it'll give you a short energy boost. Fergie moaning about fixture congestion is pretty much moaning about players being tired. The effect of fixture congestion is people are more likely to be tired or get injured. The 2 directly relate to each other.

And i'll reiterate again my point wasn't that Rojo ate a banana. My point was simply pundits (including Keane) make controversial statements or become exaggerated versions of themselves to stir up debate and get people talking about them. In a 3 minute interview Keane said:

Man Utd is to big for Mourinho (a man who's won the CL twice, the FA Cup, 3 premier leagues, La Liga, Serie A twice and won a cup in his first season at United already)
He's "sick" of Mourinho after half a season in charge
He thinks someone faked being tired and ate a banana.

But yeah....he's not trying to be controversial.
 
Roy walked out of a world cup and became a traiter to his country because he wasn't happy with the training preperation.
So... Yeah.
Thanks Roy.
 
You'd like to think that pundits like Keane & Neville - famous for their frankness and integrity - would be above courting controversy at the whim of their employers.
 
He does know Jose is just playing a game doesn't he.

Jose knows it's crap, but if this so called 'siege mentality' helps us in any way then I'm all for it.

I'm sure Roy is bright enough to realise this though, and he just enjoys living up to his reputation.
 
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Don't know if it's controversial, it's more of a case of saying something incredibly stupid or being outraged at the clouds that it's raining. Managers have always whined about fixtures, tried to deflect the attention to something else. Mourinho's always specialised himself in the siege mentality tactics, us against the world, he's not the only manager that does it (vide Simeone), he's been here before, done that before. Why is Keane so outraged then? What is he outraged at? At his behaviour that's well known to everybody? That he's moaning about the fixtures congestion?

The line about the club being too big for Mourinho is straight out laughable.
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Is he outraged? He was asked the question and said it was bollocks. Seems fair enough to me.

We like to think this is siege mentality tactics. Are we sure it's not just Mourinho feeling hard done by? Like we've seen before.
 
SteveTheRed said:
So bitter, and it's a shame.

He absolutely plays up to being the controversial hard man, who "tells it like it is". Roy doesn't like Mourinho, it's a simple as that. Mourinho will moan and moan about the fixtures because it's easy, you can't play 100% if you are playing 3 times a week, it's a fact you will get fatigued and more injuries in the squad.
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Well then we should just be playing a game a week. So that would stop him moaning every other week about it?

United of today is nothing like United of lets say 5 years ago in term of being good. But even then, this united will be playing in 4 competitions every year in the near future. Moaning would not make our club any easier in any other ways.

You accepted one of the biggest job in football and hardest league to play. You are one of the best coaches in today football.

point ?

Man up, suck it up, do the job more, less moaning so that we don't have to hear our own manager talking bs every other week and gets fed up with it while the team's result is equally depressing.
 
It's Roy Keane ffs! The guy is, and always has been, a bloody lunatic. His dark, festering soul that never lets him be happy with anything both made him the amazing player he was and makes him a snarling contrarian off the pitch. What do you expect? A simpering, playful Keane toeing the line with banality? He'll say mad things. He probably even believes them and, even if he doesn't, he'll death stare the feck out of you as he says them. Why does this upset anyone? Have you forgotten that Roy is basically psychosis driven frenzy in human form?
 
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