Roy Keane the pundit

FriedClams said:
I think Bruno’s a significantly better player than keane to be honest, imagine keane trying to play in today’s game he wouldn’t be able to cope and would break the record for cards. Meanwhile, Bruno would slot into any united team in any era and stand out. It’s no wonder keane doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to assists, his entire career number is a couple seasons work for Bruno.
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Probably cos Keane is 54.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Not at all. I loved Beckham when he left and I think it was accepted that the player wasn't to blame. Fergie just seemed to have enough of his celebrity lifestyle.
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Thanks for answer. Yeah and he ended his United career in such a brilliant fashion with that free kick at Everton and celebrating another PL title.
 
Mike Smalling said:
You didn't see the Assist Parade that the club organized, or the statue of Bruno that is being put up in front of Old Trafford? It's way too much. If I had it my way, no goal should be celebrated unless it directly wins us the league. This is a failed season, so no joy is allowed whatsoever!
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Agreed.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Not at all. I loved Beckham when he left and I think it was accepted that the player wasn't to blame. Fergie just seemed to have enough of his celebrity lifestyle.
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No, Beckham's form had dipped and he was replaced in 02/03 by Solskjaer. United's overall form improved and we wound up winning the league.

Solskjaer was severely injured early in the season afterward, leaving a raw Cristiano Ronaldo with bigger boots to fill.

Our subsequent decline was attributed to Fergie getting it all wrong (alongside the ridiculously accepted Rock of Gibraltar narrative) and Beckham, sat on Real's bench, as vindicated.

A message carefully cultivated by Beckham's vast-PR entourage.
 
FearAontaithe said:
No, Beckham's form had dipped and he was replaced in 02/03 by Solskjaer. United's overall form improved and we wound up winning the league.

Solskjaer was severely injured early in the season afterward, leaving a raw Cristiano Ronaldo with bigger boots to fill.

Our subsequent decline was attributed to Fergie getting it all wrong (alongside the ridiculously accepted Rock of Gibraltar narrative) and Beckham, sat on Real's bench, as vindicated.

A message carefully cultivated by Beckham's vast-PR entourage.
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That's bullshit, he started up on 40 games in each of his first 3 seasons there.

His last season, he was put aside by Capello for Jose Antonio Reyes, partly because he hadn't signed a new deal. Capello backtracked later on and he scored against Bayern in the CL, put in some exceptional performances, so much so they even tried to undo his transfer to LA Galaxy.
 
FearAontaithe said:
No, Beckham's form had dipped and he was replaced in 02/03 by Solskjaer. United's overall form improved and we wound up winning the league.

Solskjaer was severely injured early in the season afterward, leaving a raw Cristiano Ronaldo with bigger boots to fill.

Our subsequent decline was attributed to Fergie getting it all wrong (alongside the ridiculously accepted Rock of Gibraltar narrative) and Beckham, sat on Real's bench, as vindicated.

A message carefully cultivated by Beckham's vast-PR entourage.
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Ole played well on the right, but there were occasions where Fergie played Veron on the right over Beckham, which was just daft and clearly Fergie's way of forcing Beckham out. Just look at that lineup vs Madrid in the 4-3 at OT. Ole and Ruud up front, with Veron playing in right midfield.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Ole played well on the right,
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He certainly did. The change was the reason why United won the league that season.

Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Just look at that lineup vs Madrid in the 4-3 at OT. Ole and Ruud up front, with Veron playing in right midfield.
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That game was perhaps the most overhyped match in history.

Anyway, Beckham's brace was a mere consolation, mistakenly seen as 'proof' Fergie was in the wrong.

Truth is Beckham agitated for a move, got it and proved underwhelming for Madrid, who were overtaken by Barca in that era, both domestically and in Europe.

But, after Beckham was marginalised by Capello, recovered for a league title.
 


Watching this earlier. You’ve got what should have been the perfect assist and then two crunching tackles all in the space of about ten seconds from Keane. @2:20

Also sparks a mass brawl with a revenge challenge on Don Hutchison (good tackle to be fair, though he intended to get back at him) @11:13

Whatever you can say about him as a pundit, watching these clips I find it hard to stay angry with Keane. A madman but what a player.
 
FriedClams said:
I think Bruno’s a significantly better player than keane to be honest, imagine keane trying to play in today’s game he wouldn’t be able to cope and would break the record for cards. Meanwhile, Bruno would slot into any united team in any era and stand out. It’s no wonder keane doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to assists, his entire career number is a couple seasons work for Bruno.
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Wow! Respectfully, couldn't disagree more. Keane was an absolutely phenomenal player. His performances for Ireland in qualifying out of an extremely difficult group unbeaten, had to be seen to be believed, they were that good! Keane was probably the best player in world football in his position for approx 5 to 6 years. That's even before you get on to hid leadership skills.
 
Irish Bhoy said:
Wow! Respectfully, couldn't disagree more. Keane was an absolutely phenomenal player. His performances for Ireland in qualifying out of an extremely difficult group unbeaten, had to be seen to be believed, they were that good! Keane was probably the best player in world football in his position for approx 5 to 6 years. That's even before you get on to hid leadership skills.
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Regarding the 2002 World Cup qualifying campaign which contained Portugal and Holland. 10 games played: 7 won, 3 drew. He was easily the best player from any team in that group in qualifying.
 
It is a bit funny to see highlights of Keane from twenty+ years ago being used to mitigate criticism of the utter whopper he has become in old age. Funny because Roy was always all about not looking back, exercising a "what have you done lately?" mindset and that what's been done in the past shouldn't matter in the present. You have to prove yourself every day according to Roy. It was a ruthless mindset that he promoted, albeit one he didn't like being applied to his own contributions as United as he aged out. A man of his influence and platform acting like a dick to our current players just because he was an amazing player for us almost a quarter century ago, deserves to be called out, even if we're hardly talking life/death issues here.
 
Ole'sattheWheel said:

Fair enough being pissed off at the chef or waiting staff but to have a go at the front desk staff over some fecking eggs is the sign of a right prick. He knows full well they can't have a go back too. Being a rent a quote gobshite has gotten to his head
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Look at the NPCs in the comments “that’s his job!!!!”

So fecking boring now.
 
Peanut Butter said:
I loved him as our captain and midfield general.

But Roy Keane the person is a bitter, miserable guy and I am glad he's not on Sky or BT Sports so I don't have to put up with his petulant hard man act every time we play.

Anyone else fed up with him or does everyone here adore Roy?
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The first comment in this thread is from 9 years ago, and safe to say things haven't gotten any better for Uncle Roy.
 
Gazza said:
It is a bit funny to see highlights of Keane from twenty+ years ago being used to mitigate criticism of the utter whopper he has become in old age. Funny because Roy was always all about not looking back, exercising a "what have you done lately?" mindset and that what's been done in the past shouldn't matter in the present. You have to prove yourself every day according to Roy. It was a ruthless mindset that he promoted, albeit one he didn't like being applied to his own contributions as United as he aged out. A man of his influence and platform acting like a dick to our current players just because he was an amazing player for us almost a quarter century ago, deserves to be called out, even if we're hardly talking life/death issues here.
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Aye great post.

He was an utterly brilliant player, not sure what that has to do with what a complete arsehole he is now. You can acknowledge how good he was for us a player while also commenting on how awful a pundit he is now. Scholes and Butt and Nevilel do my head in too, but Keane is the only one who I genuinely think wants Utd to fail.

If we won the title next season I think the others would be happy, I don't think Keane would be. He'd be gutted to see Carrick a big success here.
 
Honestly hearing Simon Jordan’s moronic defense of Roy made just made me shake my head. Why do people defend him when he’s clearly wrong, it’s not even debatable that he’s just being a cnut because he’s butthurt for whatever reason. I wish pundits had the balls to actually call out other pundits when they’re clearly lying and making up shit to fit their narratives.
 
Roy is clearly in the wrong in this case and there's nowhere for him to hide his head in shame for not only not apologizing but doubling down on the easily and repeatedly proven lie.

Not a mistake, oops my bad, but a knowing and malice-fueled lie.
 
Irish Bhoy said:
Regarding the 2002 World Cup qualifying campaign which contained Portugal and Holland. 10 games played: 7 won, 3 drew. He was easily the best player from any team in that group in qualifying.
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Wow did not know you had that record, very impressive.
 
Bastian said:
Wow did not know you had that record, very impressive.
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Keane was absolutely unbelievable in that qualifying tournament for us.

From memory, we drew away to Portugal 2 - 2 ( a result every Irish fan would have taken pre match ) we went 2 up and obviously drew 2-2. All our players were celebrating a good result at final whistle, Keane in his post match interview was fuming, genuinely fuming, at losing a 2 goal lead. The ultimate winning mentality, I guess.
 
Bastian said:
Wow did not know you had that record, very impressive.
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Apologies, it was 2-2 away to Holland having been 2 up. Not Portugal. My bad! But yea, Keane was fuming having been 2 up in the game with 20 mins to go.
 
He was an absolute colossus on the pitch and I don't think it is an over statement to say he is amongst the greatest central midfielders of all time at his very best.

But he is becoming very "old man yells at cloud" and it will only get worse as SKY dies on its arse more and more over the next 5 years.
 
Irwin99 said:


Watching this earlier. You’ve got what should have been the perfect assist and then two crunching tackles all in the space of about ten seconds from Keane. @2:20

Also sparks a mass brawl with a revenge challenge on Don Hutchison (good tackle to be fair, though he intended to get back at him) @11:13

Whatever you can say about him as a pundit, watching these clips I find it hard to stay angry with Keane. A madman but what a player.
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Just watching the first few minutes. It’s been a long time since we’ve confidently passed the ball around like that and every player looks like they can handle it without any issues.
 
Irish Bhoy said:
Apologies, it was 2-2 away to Holland having been 2 up. Not Portugal. My bad! But yea, Keane was fuming having been 2 up in the game with 20 mins to go.
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Yeah, that's him alright. SAF was the same. Both went overboard a bit, but absolute winners.
 
Bastian said:
Yeah, that's him alright. SAF was the same. Both went overboard a bit, but absolute winners.
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Agreed, they'd both do anything to win. A sublime player / manager combination.

I was at his 1st old firm game at Ibrox after he signed for Celtic, he was about 50% fit, 34 years old, but still best player on the pitch. He was immense. Pass, move, pass, move, winning all his tackles. Kept the game simple, his experience and quality got him through the intensity of that game, despite being only half fit. Celtic won 1 nil. Wayne Rooney was in with the Celtic fans that day at Ibrox. He actually sat quite close to me. Keane was undoubtedly a World Class footballer in his prime. Can't believe some football fans think he was bang average. All he did was hit people with tackles etc. Utter nonsense. Guy would have gotten in to any team in World football in his prime.

Sure Real Madrid as well as Celtic wanted him. Keane actually spoke to Emilio Butreganio ( not sure on spelling ) who was like a sporting director. Imagine Real Madrid wanting to sign you at 34. Says it all. He chose Celtic as, emotionally, Celtic is very hard to turn down for an Irish person. The bomd between Celtic football club and Ireland is well known.

I was at "an Evening with Roy Keane" last July in Cork and he said at that, that the lure of playing in the old firm derby was too hard to resist.

I have to say I absolutely loved him as a player and still do.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
Just watching the first few minutes. It’s been a long time since we’ve confidently passed the ball around like that and every player looks like they can handle it without any issues.
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Back then MU could take the best players off smaller clubs, nowadays not so much.
 
FriedClams said:
I think Bruno’s a significantly better player than keane to be honest, imagine keane trying to play in today’s game he wouldn’t be able to cope and would break the record for cards. Meanwhile, Bruno would slot into any united team in any era and stand out. It’s no wonder keane doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to assists, his entire career number is a couple seasons work for Bruno.
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Has to be a trolling post, otherwise you never watched Keane play.
 
NLunited said:
Back then MU could take the best players off smaller clubs, nowadays not so much.
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Lesser teams can play the ball around without looking like amateurs like we have over the years, not being able to play the simplest passes or string more than 3 together without losing it with a poor touch. It not only about having the best players, but the coaching as well.
 
Irish Bhoy said:
Agreed, they'd both do anything to win. A sublime player / manager combination.

I was at his 1st old firm game at Ibrox after he signed for Celtic, he was about 50% fit, 34 years old, but still best player on the pitch. He was immense. Pass, move, pass, move, winning all his tackles. Kept the game simple, his experience and quality got him through the intensity of that game, despite being only half fit. Celtic won 1 nil. Wayne Rooney was in with the Celtic fans that day at Ibrox. He actually sat quite close to me. Keane was undoubtedly a World Class footballer in his prime. Can't believe some football fans think he was bang average. All he did was hit people with tackles etc. Utter nonsense. Guy would have gotten in to any team in World football in his prime.

Sure Real Madrid as well as Celtic wanted him. Keane actually spoke to Emilio Butreganio ( not sure on spelling ) who was like a sporting director. Imagine Real Madrid wanting to sign you at 34. Says it all. He chose Celtic as, emotionally, Celtic is very hard to turn down for an Irish person. The bomd between Celtic football club and Ireland is well known.

I was at "an Evening with Roy Keane" last July in Cork and he said at that, that the lure of playing in the old firm derby was too hard to resist.

I have to say I absolutely loved him as a player and still do.
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Aye, my favourite player too. I don't think too many people think he wasn't world class, maybe a few who come out of the woodwork now because they're so upset about the whole Bruno thing, but 99% of United fans will think Keane is one of our best ever players and captains and rightly so. Could have played for any team easy. And you see the love other players have for him, like Chiellini. The foreign players love Scholes and they love Keane.
 
The idea that we could "take the best players off smaller clubs" is true in theory but in practice it wasn't much different to today; we had to break the transfer record to sign the likes of Cole and Yorke, we paid a premium on Carrick, paid a fee for Sheringham that was very high at the time for a 31 Year old. Rio and Rooney were both massive fees that lots of people questioned as being exorbitant at the time.

I am struggling to think of a great many players we just "took" from a Premier League club without paying a fair whack for it.
 
Great player (all time United XI IMO, as Robbo would play further forward) whose technical abilities are underrated as time goes by and people focus on video clips of him squaring up to Viera in the tunnel. But, given he seems hypercritical of all things United, it has to be said that his team were slightly underwhelming in Europe, unlike the 2007-2011 team in which there are certain players that he seems to have a thing against (like our manager).
 
Gazza said:
The idea that we could "take the best players off smaller clubs" is true in theory but in practice it wasn't much different to today; we had to break the transfer record to sign the likes of Cole and Yorke, we paid a premium on Carrick, paid a fee for Sheringham that was very high at the time for a 31 Year old. Rio and Rooney were both massive fees that lots of people questioned as being exorbitant at the time.

I am struggling to think of a great many players we just "took" from a Premier League club without paying a fair whack for it.
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Eric, VDS and Irwin if Oldham were in the first division then.
 
Old Ma Crow said:
Eric, VDS and Irwin if Oldham were in the first division then.
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Again, we paid fair/high fees for Eric and VDS to get them, there were plenty saying we overpaid at the time, so I don't see them as much different than paying a good whack for a Mbeumo or Cunha. Louis Saha is a better example, to me. Irwin is a good shout, though.
 
Gazza said:
Again, we paid high fees for Eric and VDS to get them, there were plenty saying we overpaid at the time. Louis Saha is a better example. Irwin is a good shout.
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£2 million for VDS in 2005 was a bargain. Eric was only around a million.
 
FriedClams said:
The idea that we could "take the best players off smaller clubs" is true in theory but in practice it wasn't much different to today; we had to break the transfer record to sign the likes of Cole and Yorke, we paid a premium on Carrick, paid a fee for Sheringham that was very high at the time for a 31 Year old. Rio and Rooney were both massive fees that lots of people questioned as being exorbitant at the time.
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And.....Roy Keane
 
Old Ma Crow said:
£2 million for VDS in 2005 was a bargain. Eric was only around a million.
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Eric was 1.2M. Leeds weren't particularly bothered about selling him to us by that point, and made a 20% profit on a player they brought earlier that year. VdS was 35 and considered to have not long left at the top level, it definitely didn't feel that we "took him." Bargains in hindsight, but fair fees at the time that the selling club was happy with, so I don't see them as cases that are much different from today.
 
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