Comparison I never thought I’d see
Roy Keane
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
He’s completely wrong on the Ronaldo situation. Was embarrassing. He had a point regarding the Carrick stuff and the lack of planning etc and the jobs for the boys thing.
That's probably why.
Keane said the main problem at United is the jobs for the boys culture, "oh he's a decent guy lets keep him in the job even if he's shit", "sign that guy up because he's mates with McKenna" etc.
And he's spot on. That is our main problem.
He’s on one tonight and he’s all wrong tbh
He isn't tactically blind, he was a very intelligent player, has done his coaching badges and was a half decent coach.
He acts like he is tactically blind and only cares about "character" because that plays into the character that gets the soundbites that Sky pay him so handsomely for.
I like Keane but where the feck has He been for the few years
Him and Neville refused to criticise their friend Ole
Fecking Hypocrites
Him and Neville refused to criticise their friend Ole
Fecking Hypocrites
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Two things that are most important in winning teams. He don't need to be tactical guru att all. He knows what football is all about if you want to be a winner.
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Bollox he didn't. He was usually the lone person in the room with a frown even when we won, and one of the first to use the term individual brilliance masking our performances. Thought he had a point today, even though I also have no probelms with what Carrick said either.
Don't understand the issue. As was the case in the Everton game (which was the last time everyone had a fit about him being sub) we were 1-0 up when Ronaldo came on. Hardly a bad position to find ourselves in
who would you play in that role then? Who currently at the club who isn’t 100 and always injured could play as a number nine? Hold the ball up? Press? And influence goals? Who do we have that can do that that Ronaldo is keeping out ?
Moaning about jobs for the boys while seemingly never wondering how his mate Ole got the top job and stayed in it for three years.
Thanks for that, appreciate it
Or he can’t take any one on now either.
The Ronaldo fans say he has scored important goals when we have been crap, but we play crap because Utd are not good enough to carry him. If Cavani was playing instead of him, maybe we wouldn’t need last min goals to save us and the team performances would be better to win the game more comfortably.
Ronaldo is like the player in the play ground who goal hangs and gets all the goals, but when he isn’t at school, no one mentions him.
He spent most of that post match criticising the club for being an old boys club, which in isolation is fine, but then chooses to defend his own mates in Ole and Ronaldo.
Carrick said something about having a plan today and Keane blew a gasket asking where the plan was before that. I agree it wasn't a great interview from Carrick but his response was completely disproportionate, and carried through to when Carragher made him look stupid afterwards.
I don't see Keane as the kind of guy who'd portray himself as a babbling idiot for money. The more likely explanation to me is that he is, simply, a babbling idiot.
He absolutely plays a character on Sky.
Think it's a case of those who can do, those who can't teach. Some of the best players are poor pundits because they can't articulate knowledge that is instinctive to them.
I don't even know what point Keane was trying to make there.
But I do know that he loves Ronnie.
But I do know that he loves Ronnie.
Without being rude, I think you have been sucked in.
He knows what people expect of him and he is cashing in. Do you really believe Roy Keane doesn't understand any of the nuanced tactical aspects of football? He has literally managed moderately well in the Premier League and has his Uefa Pro badges following a career where he was often dictating most of the play.
Jimmy stuck in the middle
Having said that, I do kind of enjoy him trotting out his cliches and arguing with other pundits in a blunt manner. If he suddenly started analysing the game I'd probably be thrown a bit.
He's entertaining but yeah offers very little in terms of an actual insight. There's a large amounts of pundit who resort to taking the easy option of blaming desire etc, even when there are other far more prominent factors that could be highlighted, and actually dissected in an interesting manner.
Having said that, I do kind of enjoy him trotting out his cliches and arguing with other pundits in a blunt manner. If he suddenly started analysing the game I'd probably be thrown a bit.
I would go to the original plan of giving Greenwood more chances as a striker. The new manager should see if he could learn how to press in the next few months and try to increase his workrate.
Next summer we should reevaluate the position, insisting with Ronaldo is going to take this team anywhere.
@Crackers I'm right there with you....what exactly did Keane say that was wrong? he agreed that Ronaldo doesn't press, he agreed that he can't start every match and that he was brought to score goals which he's done.
Carragher is a twat and just trying to annoy the piss out of Roy and start an argument
I'm sure he's being encouraged to be brash. But I don't buy that he's specifically being asked to show a complete lack of understanding of the game, no. Have you ever seen an interview or another bit of punditry in which Keane has shown any real tactical insight? I think the guy is a buffoon and I believe he coached his teams the same way he pundits. He had an intuitive understanding of the game on the pitch but that doesn't mean he understands it analytically.
I’m also guessing we took more points of Liverpool,City and Chelsea last season
Football is all about confidence and we played well and controlled games last season, we haven’t controlled a single game this season apart from maybe Leeds.
Come on guys this was an abysmal showing. Ole or no Ole.
Not that I remember but your point sort of reinforces mine.
I have no doubt that Roy Keane has a greater tactical understanding of the game than Gary Neville for instance, Gary spouts off about tactics nearly every chance he gets.
Do you really think that Roy couldn't breakdown a midfield performance based on what was done right and what wasn't other than lack of "effort, leadership and belief" if he thought it benefited him to do so? If people on this forum can, I am pretty sure Roy Keane can.
If Ole was here that would have been roundly labelled a shocking performance
Having followed Keane as both a pundit and manager for years, nothing I've ever heard him say indicates anything other than a shallow knowledge of football beyond "character" and "effort".
You don't need to have a keen football mind to be a good footballer, get your coaching badges or indeed get (limited) decent results as a manager at the level Keane did some 13 years ago with Sunderland.
There's certainly a performative element to his public persona but that shouldn't be mistaken as a sign of hidden depth.
You don't need to have a keen football mind to be a good footballer, get your coaching badges or indeed get (limited) decent results as a manager at the level Keane did some 13 years ago with Sunderland.
There's certainly a performative element to his public persona but that shouldn't be mistaken as a sign of hidden depth.
I don’t think he needs to play up front for that to necessarily happen and develop in his play. He has been a regular this season up until he got covid and he hasn’t been holding the ball up well, he hasn’t been working hard enough and in fact has developed a few bad traits including taking daft shots from impossible angles.
Although agreeably a new manager might be able to change a few things . We’ll see I guess.
Gary enjoyed his day off I see
What makes you say that?
This
Totally agree with you
Carrick has said absolutely nothing that Ole wouldn't have said. Apart from when we've gotten heavily beaten, Ole has almost always talked up our performances. Even if it was complete shite. I have never seen Keane question him once. As soon as Ole leaves, he decides now is the time to question what the manager has said after one of our poor performances. I wonder why that is.
He's a shocking pundit. He's there because of who he is and because he can be entertaining. If Keane isn't there, you don't get the shouting match he had with Carragher. That's all Sky want him to do. Neville and Carragher are better than all of these other pundits. It's not even close.
Was a far more intelligent player and did much better as a coach when given the opportunity.
I have seen nothing to suggest he could. Even if his studio character is the hothead, and he plays into that, which he obviously does, you would imagine he'd at least occasionally show a bit of tactical insight if he had any. So yeah, I think he has a very primitive perspective on the game.