It is called "doubling down"..
It is outright stupid in the context of selling these players, it is maybe useful in reversing the rise of player power at the club. Amorim does seem to want to shift the culture, not sure whether this is the best way.
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It is outright stupid in the context of selling these players, it is maybe useful in reversing the rise of player power at the club. Amorim does seem to want to shift the culture, not sure whether this is the best way.
We've got a surplus of scapegoats already (some justified others less so) in Rashford, Antony, Sancho, arguably Hojlund, Onana, Mainoo who are either being forced out or we're open to sell. I don't get the need for how overboard we went with telling the world about how Aomrim embarrassed him in front of everyone unless, as said to the other poster, we got giddy with the idea of pushing the cultural reset and Amorim being the guy, we didn't thin of the actual repercussions
I don't think the club leaked the fall out for what its worth....
Because we have been doing it the way you suggest for a while now, and have ended up with a group of overpaid and entitled players that have negatively played the dressing room.
And I don’t know how many times it needs to be said that the club hasn’t been going round telling anyone they need to sell Garnacho. It is clear United need to sell players because their accounts are publicly available.
Wait. You actually think the club leaked that dressing room discussion to the press?
We want to sell him because of many reasons, he is petulant, his brother is worse, he has off field issues and on the pitch he isn't good enough.
All this meeting our valuation talk is absolute nonsense... Leverkusen had a valuation of 150m Euros for Wirtz... Liverpool first bid was like 110m Euros.
This notion you have that because we have a valuation, no one will bid is nonsense... there have been plenty of transfers, almost every transfer where the buying team's first bid is 20m lower than the valuation.
We really haven't - previously we basically backed the players, think of how Mou vs Pogba transpired, that's very different to being calculated with how you react to leaks or news.
Our finances aren't that bad, as many predicted there's been a lot of pushing the "we're poor" narrative (see, this is a narrative that makes sense) because we've overpaid for players for so long we want to change the optics of United and how we do transfers. We've bought Cunha, we've got enough to offer Brentford £60m+ for Mbuemo and are clearly looking actively at some CFs as well, we obviously want to sell a few players but it's more because we don't want them i.e. Rash, Antony, Sancho, Garnacho.
Re your second question, the club can manage how the media use the leaks. Very few people with a brain really pay attention to what tier2 or lower journalists say, but the guys who the club have relationships with like Stone or Ornstein will relay what the club wants them to. It would have been much easier when the whole story of Amorim embarrassing Garnacho in front of everyone came out, if the reliable guys had just poured a bit of cold water on it and said Ruben really rates Garnacho but the press interview annoyed him, everyone was emotional after the final loss etc. etc and United have no pressure to sell the player. I personally feel the club encouraged the story because they think it's good optics for Amorim and the cultural reset.
You honestly live on another planet mate, of course the club has a valuation for Garnacho. They will tell other clubs that, then other clubs will come in lower and negotiations begin, such is how every single transfer happens unless there's a clause.
We know already we see Garnacho as a £50m player for non PL team, most Italian sources said Napoli were basically at £40m in Jan hence the issue with that transfer. Let's see where we end up this summer as it seems certain he will have to leave. For a PL team the thought in Jan was we would hold out for much more.
The difference between finances and cash… we do not have cash to go and make these deals. Also, its not just about not wanting the players, we need to sell the players to get cash in, so we can spend on other areas.
There is a reason we let Anthony, Malacia, Rashford out on loan without replacing them, to save on the cash positions. Saving those wages for 5 months, has helped us get Cunha over the line quickly.
In respects to Ornstein.. “Yes, we understand this to be highly possible - if proposals are deemed suitable by Man Utd and Garnacho himself” this was what he said. That is the case for literally every player, if Bruno accepted Saudi offer… we would have sold him too. There is very few players in the squad that won’t be sold… Its like everyone knows Liverpool want to sell Quansah… did his value drop?
Amorim was right though what he said to Garnacho… he will be lucky to find another club, its proving that way right now isn’t it? Clubs need wingers but wont even look at Garnacho.. Barca, Bayern, Newcastle, Spurs.. which shows his level is much lower than that… probably Villa or lower.
Again, you are mistaken on the Jan window, the issue was not Manutd's asking price... it was Garnacho. He wanted more money, Napoli's president came out and said it... but you wont want to believe it from the horses mouth right?
He must be on a different planet, in your planet its all manutd's fault
All clubs could do with more cash, of course, but Cunha is only able to be split into 3 payments as per the clause + the cash portion of Mbuemo is already sizeable. We also added Dorgu when we were apparently skint, so I see very little logic in believing the idea we are completely desperate for cash. Us fan, however, are desperate for signings and so want all these guys sold to free up funds for what we assume will be a bumper window (which I still thin it will be).The difference between finances and cash… we do not have cash to go and make these deals. Also, its not just about not wanting the players, we need to sell the players to get cash in, so we can spend on other areas.
There is a reason we let Anthony, Malacia, Rashford out on loan without replacing them, to save on the cash positions. Saving those wages for 5 months, has helped us get Cunha over the line quickly.
In respects to Ornstein.. “Yes, we understand this to be highly possible - if proposals are deemed suitable by Man Utd and Garnacho himself” this was what he said. That is the case for literally every player, if Bruno accepted Saudi offer… we would have sold him too. There is very few players in the squad that won’t be sold… Its like everyone knows Liverpool want to sell Quansah… did his value drop?
Amorim was right though what he said to Garnacho… he will be lucky to find another club, its proving that way right now isn’t it? Clubs need wingers but wont even look at Garnacho.. Barca, Bayern, Newcastle, Spurs.. which shows his level is much lower than that… probably Villa or lower.
Again, you are mistaken on the Jan window, the issue was not Manutd's asking price... it was Garnacho. He wanted more money, Napoli's president came out and said it... but you wont want to believe it from the horses mouth right?
He must be on a different planet, in your planet its all manutd's fault
Re Quansah, yes...I think he's gone quite cheap looking at his profile. He's a 22 year old highly rated CB/Rb who is athletic and apparently a model pro and he's been signed for £30m + £5m add ons hence why they wanted a buy back.
You need to be much more accurate with your posts, Napoli's president did not say that, the Sporting director Manna said it. A Big difference. Every single media outlet reported that terms were done, most even said the fee was going to be ok with add ons (although I can't see any reputable ones for that) so the guy whose job it is to bring players in, blames the player and not his employer...
I think the situation with Garnacho is mostly our fault, yes, in that we're the selling club and we should endeavour to present the players we want to sell in the most attractive light. Not that crazy a take.
We bought Dorgu for 25m… you are acting as if we spent 50-100m on him. In January… a lot of reports were suggesting we were struggling financially.
Cheap? He could barely get a look in Liverpool’s team, he was not rated by the manager.. also you were very quick to call Amorim immature because he made comments about missing a chance, do you think Slot is too? “Asked about his message to the team and changes at half-time, Slot replied: “First thing was we don’t have to speak about tactics if you don’t lose so many duels.
“Not that Jarell [Quansah] lost every duel – many of us lost too many duels – but I think we needed Konate to win the long balls through the air from their number nine”
Do you think him calling him out publicly lowered his value?
My bad.. sporting director who is in charge of transfers… said Garnacho’s financial requirements were too high. Can you show me 5 media outlets that said terms were agreed? Can you show me a tweet from Ornstein saying personal terms were agreed? So if you can’t… its all just noise.
Garnacho is his fault… he has had issues throughout with us, his is immature and petulant with barely anything to offer on the pitch. The reason he can’t get any top club coming for him, is to do with his lack of quality, not because he got dropped for the EFL game.
Its like you think if a player is dropped = clubs fault for not playing him so others can sign him.
I’d say it’s mostly Garnacho’s fault, clearly immature and not as good as he thinks he is.
It’s the club’s fault that Garnacho is an idiot.
He got pissed and tried to screw his own value, that’s not on the club. I’m sick of pandering to the spoilt brats in the club, they can rot at home if they can’t be professional.
Time for a cultural reset and let the players know we aren’t going to bend over and get fecked by them. They can waste their career if they can’t act like adults and cooperate for a win-win situation.
You tactic on here seems to just be the pebbledash opinions, most of which divert the original point. This is just either repeating yourself, random points which have just been added in or you've confused me with another poster or shifting the goal posts because you realised you messed up re the quote you gave. There's a point it's misinformed and you've crossed that and it's just bad faith, arguing everything for the sake of arguing it. I'm out.
You are conflating two issues. Garnacho is an idiot, he clearly is petulant, he's also selfish on the pitch but he is undeniably talented. That has no bearing on how United present him as an asset to sell.It’s the club’s fault that Garnacho is an idiot.
He got pissed and tried to screw his own value, that’s not on the club. I’m sick of pandering to the spoilt brats in the club, they can rot at home if they can’t be professional.
Time for a cultural reset and let the players know we aren’t going to bend over and get fecked by them. They can waste their career at home if they don’t want to cooperate in getting a transfer out.
Its not though... because you think if Amorim says something it de-values the player and is a scapegoat but if a Liverpool manager says it.. I am arguing in bad faith?
Okay lets stick to the point then.
Is there any evidence you can show me from David Ornstein..(cause you bring his name alot) saying Garnacho personal terms were agreed? and it was Manutd who rejected a 40m bid?
Did Napoli's sporting director come out saying Garnacho wanted too much money?
You are out because you realised you can't provide any evidence.
I think he's been mixing up you and me for a couple of days now
Oh yeah you are the one who thinks Slot and Amorim are immature managers
I never even mentioned Slot ffs
I never even mentioned Slot ffs
Oh so only applied to Amorim... if a Manutd manager says a played missed a chance = mug and immature.
If a Liverpool manager comes out talks about a CB losing duels... he is ?
He’s exposed himself as a petulant brat. Teams are going to stay far away from him no matter how we try to dress it up.
And yet we signed Cunha?
The fact that so many clubs want wingers... yet no top club has come in for him shows what clubs think of him.
AmenIt’s the club’s fault that Garnacho is an idiot.
He got pissed and tried to screw his own value, that’s not on the club. I’m sick of pandering to the spoilt brats in the club, they can rot at home if they can’t be professional.
Time for a cultural reset and let the players know we aren’t going to bend over and get fecked by them. They can waste their career if they can’t act like adults and cooperate for a win-win situation.
My bottom line is, I just don't care. Players who don't want to do the work in the right way can go. All this drama around motivation and pricing is a detail that I just don't care about. I suppose it gives the fans something to gossip about in the offseason, but it's tedious stuff. Amorim's job is to construct a team of winners. Fcuk everything else.
I disagree, money is everything and he is a player with huge potential, not only on the pitch but as a marketable asset. Sadly that is what football is about these days, he's extremely popular on social media - way more than players who are much better than him like Bruno etc. and that is where the sport is heading, owners want these little shits to make them money and will not care. They will simply expect their managers to control him/appease him given that's literally part of their job.
I couldn't take it any more, every time I engage with that poster they seem to mix in about 3 different replies and are constantly misquoting stuff.
Sometimes you have to come up with excuses when you get caught out... being hypocritical.
Alot of posters here like you who love to be super negative on the club, when asked to provide proof... disappear.
That's fair, that would be my preference as well although it seems unrealistic. Basically a team of Vidic like assassins. There's always going to be a few dicks, the issue is we've been so bad this season the club almost feels like its lost a bit of power over these guys, we've got a manager who many believe will not be good enough and be sacked quite soon and it was a terrible season just gone. I do feel too much energy from us fans is pointed at these scapegoated players (who as said some deserve/need to be sold) versus giving Amorim/Ineos a bit of a free ride, as though they have been handicapped so terribly by Rashford & Co they could not have done much else. There's a lot of fault on all sides in my opinion.
Umm... Gone soon?
Who?
He's implying Amorim, by taking 2 and 2 and making 5. Using any slither of information to make it run to his narrative that Amorim is getting the sack.
that's the smart thing to do with the academy....bring in the quality players and adapt the system to the talent
passing on a quality player just bc you are forced to play a back three would be suicidal
Nah If we've youth products that suit a different formation it wouldn't make much sense to force 3421. Those the graduate through will learn it in first team training.
Also a lot of these players need to go out on loan and have careers elsewhere so the club has to think of their careers.
Yep almost like if a player is quality enough it doesn’t matter whether the club tried to hide all his bad character traits from the rest of the footballing world or not.
This idea that it’s United’s fault for the lack of interest in Garnacho is a new hilarity.
A couple posters blaming Amorim saying he missed a chance as the reason why there is no interest in him....
Saying that lowering his fee is detracting teams from coming and bidding...
Its almost as if players dont have agents... its his brothers job to go get a club for him, especially after numerous outbursts on Instagram... It was Garnacho who said he needs to consider his future. Unfortunately for him, no one is considering him.
Why would that be his brother's job? He's 16
Maybe he considered it and decided that he actually wants to stay?
Maybe... but as reports claim his relationship with Amorim seems to have broken down, with the 2 signings in 10.. he might want to re-consider because if he was upset for being dropped for 1 game, he is about to be permanently dropped.
He might just think he can outlive Amorim at United. Fairly high chance if he stays this window
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