Ruben Amorim | 2024-25

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Steve 007 said:
Couldn’t agree more. At least Inoes are trying and at least the yanks have stopped taking money out now Ineos are involved. The club is wrecked Ineos are trying to save it without the answers and with two hands tied behind their back. If they don’t get it right Amorim is gone.
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One hundred percent agree. I think ineos have made some bad calls but at least they are trying to get us back on track. The glazers alone were just letting us rot year on year and throwing insanely bad money at transfers and its now all done to fruition.

There's a chance for us to catapult ourselves up the league next year when you look at how weakened the mid table clubs have been by big teams.

Brentford - lost their manager, captain, goal keeper and probably their best attacker to us.

Bournemouth - their entire back line has disappeared, Kept, Kerkez, Zabarnyi and Hjulsen. There are rumours of Semenyo going who is their talisman.

Brighton - lost their main striker but I'm sure they have something up their sleeve. Also possibly might lose the incredible talent of Mitoma to Bayern. Bit admitted they don't look too bad.

Wolves -lost their best player to us and their best defender to city.

Spurs - not weakened per se but they are in even more transition than us this year, new manager, new system, new everything. They will definitely improve but how much?

Villa - their loanees have gone back such as Asensio and Rashford, might lose their keeper and have had financial trouble.

There's opportunities for us to really catapult up the league if we can just start putting some average performances in relative to the quality of the players we have. If we start to get it together we are definitely capable of top 6, we need to really seize the day and take advantage of other clubs becoming weaker.
 
Zumbi said:
None of this makes any sense.

Even if we switched to a 433 or 4231, we’d just play Cunha off the left and Bruno in the middle. Cunha’s not going to be sitting on the bench when we have so few attacking players of his quality. Dorgu’s played LB and RB before so there wouldn’t be an issue getting him minutes either.
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It does make sense because Cunha isn’t a winger and never has been.
 
There is absolutely no reason that a player of Cunha’s profile could not succeed playing off the left in the premier league. Plenty of similar players have for successful teams. I swear some think fifa is a reflection of real life football.
 
Alonso has a seemingly completely different approach to coaching than he does



I do hope that now that we’re refreshing the squad, he shows a bigger range/degree of approaches
 
Tosicsleftpeg said:
One hundred percent agree. I think ineos have made some bad calls but at least they are trying to get us back on track. The glazers alone were just letting us rot year on year and throwing insanely bad money at transfers and its now all done to fruition.

There's a chance for us to catapult ourselves up the league next year when you look at how weakened the mid table clubs have been by big teams.

Brentford - lost their manager, captain, goal keeper and probably their best attacker to us.

Bournemouth - their entire back line has disappeared, Kept, Kerkez, Zabarnyi and Hjulsen. There are rumours of Semenyo going who is their talisman.

Brighton - lost their main striker but I'm sure they have something up their sleeve. Also possibly might lose the incredible talent of Mitoma to Bayern. Bit admitted they don't look too bad.

Wolves -lost their best player to us and their best defender to city.

Spurs - not weakened per se but they are in even more transition than us this year, new manager, new system, new everything. They will definitely improve but how much?

Villa - their loanees have gone back such as Asensio and Rashford, might lose their keeper and have had financial trouble.

There's opportunities for us to really catapult up the league if we can just start putting some average performances in relative to the quality of the players we have. If we start to get it together we are definitely capable of top 6, we need to really seize the day and take advantage of other clubs becoming weaker.
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The worrying thing though is the gap opening between the top 3 and us.

If Arsenal do sign a top striker they are leagues ahead.

City have spent a fortune this year are they stronger? Time will tell.

Liverpool are doing some great business.

Newscaster with CL will flourish.

Chelsea doing the normal and just buying anybody under 25 they can get their hands on and given them 100 year contracts, I’m not worried about them.

We have to admit there’s a massive gap and I’m worried our recruitment team are currently not ‘best in class’. I hope we are all wrong.
 
Tosicsleftpeg said:
One hundred percent agree. I think ineos have made some bad calls but at least they are trying to get us back on track. The glazers alone were just letting us rot year on year and throwing insanely bad money at transfers and its now all done to fruition.

There's a chance for us to catapult ourselves up the league next year when you look at how weakened the mid table clubs have been by big teams.

Brentford - lost their manager, captain, goal keeper and probably their best attacker to us.

Bournemouth - their entire back line has disappeared, Kept, Kerkez, Zabarnyi and Hjulsen. There are rumours of Semenyo going who is their talisman.

Brighton - lost their main striker but I'm sure they have something up their sleeve. Also possibly might lose the incredible talent of Mitoma to Bayern. Bit admitted they don't look too bad.

Wolves -lost their best player to us and their best defender to city.

Spurs - not weakened per se but they are in even more transition than us this year, new manager, new system, new everything. They will definitely improve but how much?

Villa - their loanees have gone back such as Asensio and Rashford, might lose their keeper and have had financial trouble.

There's opportunities for us to really catapult up the league if we can just start putting some average performances in relative to the quality of the players we have. If we start to get it together we are definitely capable of top 6, we need to really seize the day and take advantage of other clubs becoming weaker.
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You know it's bleak when those are the teams we are worrying about.
 
Steve 007 said:
The worrying thing though is the gap opening between the top 3 and us.

If Arsenal do sign a top striker they are leagues ahead.

City have spent a fortune this year are they stronger? Time will tell.

Liverpool are doing some great business.

Newscaster with CL will flourish.

Chelsea doing the normal and just buying anybody under 25 they can get their hands on and given them 100 year contracts, I’m not worried about them.

We have to admit there’s a massive gap and I’m worried our recruitment team are currently not ‘best in class’. I hope we are all wrong.
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Absolutely. We need to stop worrying about mid table teams. I know people are going to say that’s our level right now etc. but that mindset is the reason this club is a mess. The mindset needs to be catching the top 3. Or getting in the mix for top 6 at least for this season. We’ve shown we can beat Villa at the end of last season when they was stronger than us… don’t think forest will be getting around top 6 again next season.
 
TempusFugit said:
Tottenham had been battered by pretty much any team in the league by that point, they went on to concede 4 goals in the game immediately after the final. These guys somehow managed to finish below us, it's not particularly difficult to outplay them or apply pressure on their defence.
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A reminder that our 2 year record against spurs is L5 D2 W0. We were beaten by a team which consistently gets results against us, and has scored 2x the number of goals against us, as we have against them.

It was gutting that we lost, but not a surprise. We need to get over it.
 
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TsuWave said:
Alonso has a seemingly completely different approach to coaching than he does



I do hope that now that we’re refreshing the squad, he shows a bigger range/degree of approaches
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It honestly amazes me that people downplay how much of a red flag this is for Amorim. Alonso went unbeaten for a whole season and won the first league title for Leverkusen and even he is willing to be open to change.

Notice how we haven't seen any foolishness like Rodrygo at RWB or Trent as a RCB.
 
Steve 007 said:
The worrying thing though is the gap opening between the top 3 and us.

If Arsenal do sign a top striker they are leagues ahead.

City have spent a fortune this year are they stronger? Time will tell.

Liverpool are doing some great business.

Newscaster with CL will flourish.

Chelsea doing the normal and just buying anybody under 25 they can get their hands on and given them 100 year contracts, I’m not worried about them.

We have to admit there’s a massive gap and I’m worried our recruitment team are currently not ‘best in class’. I hope we are all wrong.
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We aren’t competing with those teams in the market until we have sorted out our PSR issues and cleared out our squad. That’s the reality of it. We are paying the price of years of bad transfers and it’ll take time to fix it. Top 6 is a solid goal.
 
El Jefe said:
It honestly amazes me that people downplay how much of a red flag this is for Amorim. Alonso went unbeaten for a whole season and won the first league title for Leverkusen and even he is willing to be open to change.

Notice how we haven't seen any foolishness like Rodrygo at RWB or Trent as a RCB.
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Interview with Berrada from yesterday.

“I would say to fans that Ruben is somebody who shares the fundamental principles of what the club has been, which is to play attacking, attractive football. So, whether you do it with a 3-4-3, 4-3-3, people are probably putting too much emphasis on the formation versus the idea that he wants to put in place.

“We want an attractive, attacking style of football – and you know this from your knowledge of Barcelona – but Johan Cruyff played with 3-4-3 and nobody said it was defensive. And I think this club and its history have also played with 3-4-3.

“I just read a book, ‘Football Taught by Sir Matt Busby’, and it talks about the inspiration that Matt Busby took from the Hungarian team of the 50s. And they played 3-4-3. So I wouldn’t spend too much time thinking about the formation and think more about the identity and the style of play that Ruben is trying to put in place.”
 
Amorim is basically going to be left with the same squad as last year. Signed Cunha but dead slow on anything else

Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Chelsea signing up the planet and we're not even realizing the season starts in a few weeks
 
LARulz said:
Amorim is basically going to be left with the same squad as last year. Signed Cunha but dead slow on anything else

Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Chelsea signing up the planet and we're not even realizing the season starts in a few weeks
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Yep, unfortunately for him he has to actually coach the players now
 
LARulz said:
Amorim is basically going to be left with the same squad as last year. Signed Cunha but dead slow on anything else

Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Chelsea signing up the planet and we're not even realizing the season starts in a few weeks
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This was never going to be an easy window for us. But fingers crossed,.still time.
 
nickm said:
We aren’t competing with those teams in the market until we have sorted out our PSR issues and cleared out our squad. That’s the reality of it. We are paying the price of years of bad transfers and it’ll take time to fix it. Top 6 is a solid goal.
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I don’t like it but think you’re absolutely right.
 
To be honest I think he is in trouble unless we start to see some movement in transfers soon.

Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, City have all strengthened significantly already. We have 1 first team signing for a team that finished 15th (Diego L is not 1st team necessarily).

Critically there is no way we are competitive with the midfield quality we have.

Bruno is a converted midfielder and still learning the position.

Casemiro has no legs and that situation won't improve next year.

Ugarte is not good enough by himself.

Mainoo is not comfortable in a midfield 2.

Colyer is unproven.

Honestly we are miles and miles behind the needed level in midfield vs the top teams.

To add to that we don't have a competent striker.

I suspect we will see outgoing and incomings still, but the board can't expect miracles if pre-season is going to be disrupted bedding in last minute signings.

Wouldn't be surprised if he sacked by Christmas.
 
TsuWave said:
Alonso has a seemingly completely different approach to coaching than he does



I do hope that now that we’re refreshing the squad, he shows a bigger range/degree of approaches
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The fact that his primary intention has been to purge to club of all (but one) wide attackers suggests to me his philosophy is very clear
 
RedRoach said:
To be honest I think he is in trouble unless we start to see some movement in transfers soon.

Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, City have all strengthened significantly already. We have 1 first team signing for a team that finished 15th (Diego L is not 1st team necessarily).

Critically there is no way we are competitive with the midfield quality we have.

Bruno is a converted midfielder and still learning the position.

Casemiro has no legs and that situation won't improve next year.

Ugarte is not good enough by himself.

Mainoo is not comfortable in a midfield 2.

Colyer is unproven.

Honestly we are miles and miles behind the needed level in midfield vs the top teams.

To add to that we don't have a competent striker.

I suspect we will see outgoing and incomings still, but the board can't expect miracles if pre-season is going to be disrupted bedding in last minute signings.

Wouldn't be surprised if he sacked by Christmas.
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We aren't competing with city, liverpool or arsenal next season..we are competing for upper table EL positions not top 3 CL ones. Our competition is Villa, Tottenham etc
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TsuWave said:
Alonso has a seemingly completely different approach to coaching than he does



I do hope that now that we’re refreshing the squad, he shows a bigger range/degree of approaches
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No shit. Every manager worth their salt is this way. They may have a preferred base formation but they are always open to adapting as required. Too bad we have a coach who refuses to adapt and requires absolutely perfect conditions everytime to make a team look even half decent.
 
Dannn411 said:
No shit. Every manager worth their salt is this way. They may have a preferred base formation but they are always open to adapting as required. Too bad we have a coach who refuses to adapt and requires absolutely perfect conditions everytime to make a team look even half decent.
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I don't think that is a fair characterisation of amorims ideals at all.
 
He will have no choice to adapt and change his system next season because this whole rebuild he was hoping is definitely not happening.

Personally I think he will be gone by Christmas. Such a shame he is so stubborn because I liked him despite seeing nothing to warrant any patience because most sane clubs would have sacked him last season.
 
I think he's been promised a huge rebuild and a clear out and has been lied to. End of October is my prediction.
 
It’s absolutely fecking hilarious that Gyokeres going to Arsenal has somehow kicked off a whole load of Amorim out posters to doom and gloom posting. Bloody hell.
 
FreakyJim said:
I think he's been promised a huge rebuild and a clear out and has been lied to. End of October is my prediction.
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Surely if even a bunch of Caf posters knew that would be unfeasible with our financial constraints, there's no way the actual head coach would fall for it?
 
KD6-3.7 said:
He will have no choice to adapt and change his system next season because this whole rebuild he was hoping is definitely not happening.
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He wont change his system or adapt as a result he will probably be gone before the November international break with us at the bottom of the table and writing off yet another season.
 
He had two options if he wanted more players and a significant rebuild: either win the EL or push Bruno to leave. He failed to do the former and decided against the latter. He shoulders a lot of the blame for the lack of signings so far.
 
nickm said:
We aren't competing with city, liverpool or arsenal next season..we are competing for upper table EL positions not top 3 CL ones. Our competition is Villa, Tottenham etc
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Yup I guess we found out level
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Surely if even a bunch of Caf posters knew that would be unfeasible with our financial constraints, there's no way the actual head coach would fall for it?
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Well, a bunch of Caf posters were also saying things like - "40m for Rashford, 40m for Antony, 20m for Sancho - budget done and we'll get Gyokeres or Osimhen plus a midfielder and a goalkeeper too, sorted". If a bunch of Caf posters are thinking that, I've no doubt a bunch of United's "best in class" were probably thinking it as well. Clearly, reality has slapped them right across the face now.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Given how unsuitable our squad was for him there is no way he would have agreed to take the job without being promised significant funds for new players this summer
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Which he probably would have if we managed to beat Spurs and sold Bruno, shame he couldn't/wouldn't do either.
 
FreakyJim said:
Well, a bunch of Caf posters were also saying things like - "40m for Rashford, 40m for Antony, 20m for Sancho - budget done and we'll get Gyokeres or Osimhen plus a midfielder and a goalkeeper too, sorted". If a bunch of Caf posters are thinking that, I've no doubt a bunch of United's "best in class" were probably thinking it as well. Clearly, reality has slapped them right across the face now.
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I love the way people make up a scenario then use it to moan about the club.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Given how unsuitable our squad was for him there is no way he would have agreed to take the job without being promised significant funds for new players this summer
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Transfer window isn't over yet, can we stop whingeing please?
 
Josep Dowling said:
It does make sense because Cunha isn’t a winger and never has been.
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He’d be a left sided inside forward in a 433 - a position he’s more than capable of playing. You couldn’t even figure out that Dorgu played most of his games for Lecce as a FB though, so you’re the last person to take positional advice on players from.
 
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