He clearly cannot win games at all with the current players. He can back himself as much as he wants, but the reality is that he can't win games with those players.
Ruben Amorim | 2024-25
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Exactly, this is why we should have sacked him after the Europa League final that was a massive embarrasment.
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Looking like the second window he's being hung out to dry. I bet this isn't what they promised him.
I really hope not, as that would mean United aren’t roing well.
I don’t really agree with you, anyway. United fans have been disappointed with their team for over ten years. When we were a Europa/occasional champions league team, fans still wanted the manager sacked. Ironically, the fans that want the manager sacked are actually the ones that seem to believe a good manager will fix the club.
Statisically he is one if the worse manager's weve ever had and it is absolutely that despite being by far the biggest club in the country we have somehow fallen so far that some of our fans are still backing a manager that has produced only 7 wins from 27 league games
Yes, you’ve repeated those stats many times in this thread. I don’t think you’re addressing the point I’m making, and I don’t have a problem with someone who thinks he’s not the right man and would prefer a change. But just because someone doesn’t think sacking the manager is the right call, it doesn’t mean they are making ‘excuses’.
That's alright, the fans will still support him because they aren't his players and the leadership doesn't really care. They just want a manager that plays with 3 center backs.
He needs a good start to the season. I hope he gets that going quickly.
That is always important but even if we have a poor start eg a 38% win rate, I don't think he will get fired after 10 games. That would not make sense after keeping him over the summer.
Hard to say really isn't it.
We haven't seen how Ineos will act with their own pick. I don't think they ever really fancied Ten Hag. Hopefully we have a brilliant start and don't find out.
Wishing for a good start to the season, but I can’t recall ever feeling this devoid of hope going into a new campaign.
Maybe a couple more signings will help galvanise spirits, but it’s hard not to be pessimistic as a United fan. The noise off the pitch during off season never helps - when did football become about ITKs and PSRs? - and I simply don’t trust the ownership to change our fortunes.
That means it’ll come down to the players and the manager to turn this around. An almost impossible task, and I’d be amazed if Amorim delivered such a miracle.
Maybe a couple more signings will help galvanise spirits, but it’s hard not to be pessimistic as a United fan. The noise off the pitch during off season never helps - when did football become about ITKs and PSRs? - and I simply don’t trust the ownership to change our fortunes.
That means it’ll come down to the players and the manager to turn this around. An almost impossible task, and I’d be amazed if Amorim delivered such a miracle.
Looks like he went to the F1 today and got in a photo with Donny van de Beek.
Lots of negativity so I'm actually gonna say I think we will be quite a bit better next season.
We've already got Cunha in, and he's absolutely class. Lightyears better than anyone we had in the forward line last season. We're very likely to add Mbeumo to that mix soon too, and he's likewise also better than anyone we had in the forward line last season.
I actually don't think our underlying play was as cr@p as the results made it look in the last few months of the previous season. There were a tonne of matches we should've won based on the balance of play but didn't because we had feck all going on up front. Cunha and Mbeumo already goes quite a long way towards solving that.
I don't see us putting pressure on the top of the table or anything crazy like that but I do think we'll be better than we were last season.
We've already got Cunha in, and he's absolutely class. Lightyears better than anyone we had in the forward line last season. We're very likely to add Mbeumo to that mix soon too, and he's likewise also better than anyone we had in the forward line last season.
I actually don't think our underlying play was as cr@p as the results made it look in the last few months of the previous season. There were a tonne of matches we should've won based on the balance of play but didn't because we had feck all going on up front. Cunha and Mbeumo already goes quite a long way towards solving that.
I don't see us putting pressure on the top of the table or anything crazy like that but I do think we'll be better than we were last season.
Amorim was picked by Ineos and they will look pretty stupid if we have another terrible season and sack the manager in November.
Cunha and Mbeumo will absolutely improve us, but will it be to 10th or 6th place? That is the question and the team have so many weaknesses, eg WB, CM, no 9.
Feel for Amorim. He’s having to watch teams that finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th already make like 3 signings each yet we finished 15th and have signed 1 player
Could we worse. We could be Newcastle fans, where their club is as attractive a destination as it ever has been, and the best they’ve managed so far is £55m for Anthony Elanga this summer
Amorim was picked by Barada because he thought City were in for him and wanted to get there first, Asworth was against this appointment and was allegedly sacked as a result.
United barely sign a player:
Amorim haters: “Can’t wait to hear the excuses next season”
United linked with a few good players:
Amorim haters: “No excuses next season”
Make it make sense.
Amorim haters: “Can’t wait to hear the excuses next season”
United linked with a few good players:
Amorim haters: “No excuses next season”
Make it make sense.
Probably need to see how they perform after this preseason before making any decisions on where spend. We all know how important those are now.
And wanted Southgate
No he didn'tAnd wanted Southgate
Ashworth did.
And wanted Southgate
He didnt
It’s hilarious that you’ve written this with such assuredness, like you had a chat with him about it.
Ye but they can panick less since they have a decent squad who’ll be floating around top 6 anyway. We’ve just had our worse season ever…
So Southgate was linked to us a million times because of?
We shouldn’t be judging them on worthless friendlys. The manager has seen these players in competitive matches. He knows what we need
I agree, it is really frustrating. Just got to hope we manage to turn the window round soon.
Yup. This is the most pessimistic summer I’ve had a United fan.
Amorim showed almost nothing last 7 months but there were some reasonable excuses. Now he will have a full preseason and a couple of good signings. He needs to start to deliver points and performances.
Because tabloid journos make up shit. None of the reputable sources claimed any interest in Southgate - just the opposite actually.
That story has been debunked on here over and over again
Disagree on him showing nothing. Our play has generally improved and we no longer have ridiculous gaps in midfield. There were generally matches that we would have won if we performed on par with our xG and xGA, and many of it down to poor individual mistakes.
If anything, I would have said that for the whole of last season under ETH and earlier part of the season we were winning matches due to moments of individual brilliance, but under Amorim we largely ironed out the tactics and systems part but at the same time losing matches due to individual mistakes.
Now to transfers. No, we did NOT have a COUPLE of good signings, at least not yet. We only have Cunha; Leon is not someone I regard as a first team signing.
Fully agree that Amorim needs to start delivering on points and performance, and it's going to be a very very rough start giving our tough fixtures. It could very well spiral out of control like the way ETH's season did after being backed with so many signings.
It is also very anxiety-inducing to see how slow we are in the transfer market, especially after last season where it seemed like a breathe of fresh air. I wonder if this has to anything to do with Dan Ashworth.
Nothing we do makes any sense anymore.
Pre season training begins today and we have one new signing (and lost two squad players in Eriksen and Lindelof).
We have all witnessed, first hand, that Amorim could not improve our performances with the players at his disposal. He had enough matches to show he can impose his style on the team and we haven't looked any better with our last match under Amorim than with our first match under him.
It's safe to assume he needs new players if (a big IF) he is to succeed.
The PR leaking out of our club is that Rashford, Sancho and Garnacho are all toxic and will never play for the club again so it is no surprise to me that we are struggling to sell them.
Any potential buyers hold all the cards and can literally wait until deadline day and know we would pretty much accept ANY offer.
I have just noticed the mods on here have shut down a Relegation thread but I don't know why. Where is our improvement going to come from?
Pre season training begins today and we have one new signing (and lost two squad players in Eriksen and Lindelof).
We have all witnessed, first hand, that Amorim could not improve our performances with the players at his disposal. He had enough matches to show he can impose his style on the team and we haven't looked any better with our last match under Amorim than with our first match under him.
It's safe to assume he needs new players if (a big IF) he is to succeed.
The PR leaking out of our club is that Rashford, Sancho and Garnacho are all toxic and will never play for the club again so it is no surprise to me that we are struggling to sell them.
Any potential buyers hold all the cards and can literally wait until deadline day and know we would pretty much accept ANY offer.
I have just noticed the mods on here have shut down a Relegation thread but I don't know why. Where is our improvement going to come from?
I think it is tough because he clearly prioritized the Europa run, which nearly paid off. The big problem was that we just did even worse than you'd minimally expect in the league while that was happening. So was it just a case of over adjusting and things will be better now since it's just the league focus? Who knows. Shits gonna get toxic as feck though if we struggle out of the gates
First 10 league fixtures. Last season, we beat Fulham twice, won one lost one with Brentford, lost twice to BHA, lost twice to Forest. I'd expect 3W 3L in first 6. I think when the season gets under way, emotions & fatigue will take over. We can't possibly be as bad this season as we were last. Even so, the first 10 are going to be difficult.
L 17 Aug: Arsenal (H)
W 23 Aug: Fulham (A)
W 30 Aug: Burnley (H)
L 13 Sep: Manchester City (A)
L 20 Sep: Chelsea (H)
W 27 Sep: Brentford (A)
W 4 Oct: Sunderland (H)
L 18 Oct: Liverpool (A)
L 25 Oct: Brighton & Hove Albion (H)
L 1 Nov: Nottingham Forest (A)
That BHA game will be Amorim's 51st game in charge. Moyes was sacked at that point, with 27 wins. Even if Amorim wins all 9 of these, he will only have 25 wins (And he's not winning all 9). If he rocks up with a worse record than Moyes, does he stay? It's funny: at the time, I thought Moyes wasn't given very long, but I also feel Amorim has been given way too much time. When game 51 rolls around at the end of October, it will have felt like an eternity.
Next 10 league matches:
W 8 Nov: Tottenham Hotspur (A)
W 22 Nov: Everton (H)
D 29 Nov: Crystal Palace (A)
D 3 Dec: West Ham United (H)
W 6 Dec: Wolverhampton Wanderers (A)
D 13 Dec: Bournemouth (H)
L 20 Dec: Aston Villa (A)
L 27 Dec: Newcastle United (H)
W 30 Dec: Wolverhampton Wanderers (H)
L 3 Jan: Leeds United (A)
4W 3D 3L.
First 20 then: 8W 3D 9L
Last season Amorim managed 7 wins in 27, 14 defeats. 24% win rate.
Every manager post Fergie has done better than 50% win rate. It's just staggering when it's laid out like that.
Jose Mourinho – 58.3%
May 2016 – December 2018
Games: 144
Wins: 84
Draws: 32
Defeats: 28
Erik ten Hag – 56.3%
May 2022 – Nov 2024
Games: 128
Wins: 72
Draws: 20
Defeats: 36
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer – 54.2%
December 2018 – November 2021
Games: 168
Wins: 91
Draws: 37
Defeats: 40
David Moyes – 52.9%
July 2013 – April 2014
Games: 51
Wins: 27
Draws: 9
Defeats: 15
Louis van Gaal – 52.4%
July 2014 – May 2016
Games: 103
Wins: 54
Draws: 25
Defeats: 24
Ruben Amorim - 38.1%
Games: 42
Wins: 16
Draws: 10
Defeats: 16
If the summer continues like this, he'll be gone by the 3rd international break. No idea who we bring in.
It's hugely depressing tbh. I like him, I like the way he speaks, I like that he has a philosphy but no manager can magically create a good football team without good players, and our squad has been hugely depleted and no replacements look imminent. It's a disaster from the management team.
It's hugely depressing tbh. I like him, I like the way he speaks, I like that he has a philosphy but no manager can magically create a good football team without good players, and our squad has been hugely depleted and no replacements look imminent. It's a disaster from the management team.
It's not that staggering when it's by far our worst forward line in that period. Anyone knows you can't win games if you can't score goals.
Arsenal and City recently spent whole season without a striker. Yeah yeah their squad is better, but it's just a convenient excuse
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