When ETH was sacked after 9 games we were 14th on 11 points which was 7 less than Villa in 4th.
When Amorim took over we were 13th after 11 games with 15 points which was only 4 points behind 3rd place Chelsea
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When ETH was sacked after 9 games we were 14th on 11 points which was 7 less than Villa in 4th.
When Amorim took over we were 13th after 11 games with 15 points which was only 4 points behind 3rd place Chelsea
Ah yeah that's the one I had in mind
Now you brought that up, also respond to the following:
1. The difference was those players did not stop Chelsea buying players....
2. Whilst 1/2 of the players did not sell, the following did:
Lukaku 30m euros
Gallagher 42m Euros
Maatsen 44m Euros
Hutchinson 23m Euros
Hall 33m Euros
Whilst players like Chalobah instead of going and crying to his agent and finding a journalist to cry to about new challenges, put his head down and pushed himself back into the team to become a starting CB in a CWC campaign.
Something none of the 5 we have banished would do, because that means doing the hard yards.
Its a bit like how Maguire got back in the fold.
When Ten Hag was sacked after 9 PL games... Manutd were 14th with 11 points... 4 points or something? We were 7 points behind top 4.
If you look at top 4... why not look the other way too.. 5 points from relegation, shows we were closer to relegation than top 4.
When Amorim took over we were only 4 points off 3rd and 7 above the relegation zone
No. Villa (4th) had 18, United had 11 and Ipswich (18th) had 4. United was exactly in the middle, 7 points distance to both. Brighton (6th) had 16 points. So United was closer to the EL than to relegation when EtH was sacked.
The anticipation on how @romufc will spin this is tantalising if those numbers are indeed correct.
A great many fans judge a performance purely on the scoreline. They would highly praise a 3-0 win in which we scored 3 deflected goals with our only 3 attempts at goal, while conceding 45 chances at the other end, but criticise a performance as being shit if it was the other way around (i.e. losing 3-0 despite creating 45 chances at the other end without scoring).
Same thing for the Europa final if Onana saved the awful goal we conceded, and Bruno scored his headed chance and the rest of the performance had been identical, they'd say it was an excellent performance form United and Amorim.
This is not me saying Amorim has been brilliant. He hasn't. But I've seen plenty in the patterns of play and applicaiton of the players to suggest that even just improving the front line will make a substantial difference to our league position next season with similar levels of performance to last season. Too many times the lack of quality up top killed us.
Yes you are correct, my bad I was looking at Palace points not Ipswich...
Apologies but we were not 4 points like Hellhunter was suggesting.
I've got to give it to him he's been a one man army for Amorim. Really hope he succeeds here if not for us lot but @romufc doesn't deserve to be let down after fighting this fight all summer.
It was 4 points when Amorim took over, thanks to RvN as interim.
I have never once said, he has done well or anything...
What I have done is argue against you and others like @hellhunter who are saying our financial situation is down to him... he has devalued 5 of the players.
Or.. another system where Onana would make less mistakes or Hojlund would score more goals.
If Amorim turns it around, this thread is going to be a goldmine.
If Amorim turns it around, test them all for PEDs
My issue with the "x points off top 4" or "x points from relegation" arguments (whether made in favor of or against the manager) is that early in a season it's difficult to extrapolate the "true" distance due to a small sample size of games having been played.
Keep your chin up mate - I'm on your side at least.
Only way is up... If Amorim is in a job this time next year, we would be better than 12th anyway
If not, we will hire a 4-3-3 manager an all of a sudden we will become a top team.
Kinda sad how having even a glimmer of optimism apparently makes you a laughing stock in this thread.
Exactly - it's super easy really. All the posters on here can see that all you need to do is sack another manager and it will all magically come good, because they will do all the things Amorim hasn't done and do so in just a few weeks. But if not, no worries, sack that new guy and replace with another guy who will easily fix it.Only way is up... If Amorim is in a job this time next year, we would be better than 12th anyway
If not, we will hire a 4-3-3 manager an all of a sudden we will become a top team.
If he turns it around given the circumstances then he will have truly proven himself as the correct choice of manager, because there is probably not a more difficult job in football than what he is facing at the moment. Trying to put together a functional team from this group of mostly utterly useless individuals (especially in attack) is going to take a minor miracle.
Yeah, I don't think anybody in here has said that
Its because if you have made a decision a manager is not good enough 4 months in... you have to want him to fail and Manutd to fail so they can say "I told you so"...
What do you expect if worst moaners are for some reason made scouts. That's exactly what this place is missing. More bedwetters.
He's playing the game on Nightmare difficulty. Poor chap.
Because people who said he's doing a terrible job when he objectively is, will then say he's doing a great job when he does well?
Oh no I've poked the bear....
For what's worth I've never said either of those things and genuinely hope he manages to turn it around here.
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