Why would you sign a manager who played the way he did with Ajax and then say we dont want you to play the Ajax way we want you to play oleball, or any other style? Of course he was bought to play the way Ajax played, otherwise the board would have signed a manager to play the style they wanted.
Ruben Amorim | 2024-25
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Oh dear!
With a proper football structure in place switching coaches won't be an issue.
Imagine being able to tell your boss to feck off almost every day and still be in his good books 
But you nor I have any idea what was said to Ten Hag or if he was even given any specific brief about playing style. Ten Hag himself said he hadn't planned on playing like his Ajax team did. Which would be obvious with a diffeent set of players in a different country and league.
At least Jim seems to understand how bad the squad is.
He certainly doesn't see it as a top 6 squad available to Amorim like many here.
He certainly doesn't see it as a top 6 squad available to Amorim like many here.
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I think there is confusion about how Ajax played under Ten Hag. I also think he was right we could not play the way Ajax played in the Eredivisie. There you can dominate 90% of games, which was unattainable for us in the PL.
Jokingly, I‘m sure. If they are getting along, that‘s a good sign.Imagine being able to tell your boss to feck off almost every day and still be in his good books
Ah I know, just find it funny. Classic Amorim.
Things have to align perfectly for him to win a EPL title. Inch perfect alignment. From competitors having issues, to us avoiding injuries, and other teams having poor quality managers.
But in the absolute level, 2 man midfield can never be consistent enough to win EPL title. We will go round in circles but it wont achieve anything.
People are just in the 'new girlfriend period' Clarity will come on eventually.
With what shirt buttons, the club just posted another loss making year for 5 in a row or some shit
At what cost, that is the main question.
We will spend alot of time, resources, squad revamps, just to get back to where we were 2 years ago. Which even now doesn’t look achievable.
Like Chelsea, just getting back to where Tuchel had them before they sacked him has cost them incredible amount of money, resources, squad revamp etc. Yet they even haven't got to that level.
Tuchel was winning UCL for them, now Chelsea is in conference league. After how many managers/money/new players/toxic environment etc.
Amorim here for a while yet
,gonna be a few(lot) of unhappy people around here.
,gonna be a few(lot) of unhappy people around here.Love that. Let's all support Amorim and trust him to build the next great united team. People need to stop stressing over the short term stuff.
Agreed - I am worried for the team short-term. I am not worried for the team long-term. When you can mention 15-20 talents who are talented enough to break into the first-team - I mean clearly some of them will succeed even if the majority wont. And we will be able to offload quite a few players for £5-10-15 million
If anyone watched that interview and thinks there's any chance Amorim won't be manager at the start of next season, then they are deluded.
It really should draw a big line under all of that daft talk. It won't though, sadly.
It really should draw a big line under all of that daft talk. It won't though, sadly.
There’s was never really any doubt that he’d be here next season. The only way he wouldn’t have been is if we was very close to the bottom 3 but we’re obviously safe. So this seasons just a write of… more time to get his instructions across although some of them players won’t be here next year.
But there is no "or" here. United just sacked the manager, paid a huge severance package, and changed their playing style once again, hence why Ruben Amorim is the manager, these are not two distinct options.
It's so incredibly important to solve the biggest issues with the squad in the summer. If we don't get a quality striker and bolster the midfield, we are already looking at another long season. Hopefully the club is already identifying targets and laying the groundwork.
Correct, there was no doubt for most people, but on here I've been arguing for weeks with people who seemed to think Amorim was on the verge of being sacked. I'm now worried about some of them who still won't be able to accept this reality.
There was never any chance of Amorim not being in charge next season. I massively support him.
I’m sure they’ll live
Ye I wouldn’t worry about them people mate. There the ones that are never happy and always find something to moan about
Me too. He’s the only one that’s actually showing some signs of what he actually wants to do and how he wants to play. It’s obviously not going to be pretty yet with these bunch of players but with a couple of transfers windows we’ll be miles better
There is a strong message from INEOS to the players: “this is OUR guy and you must do as he says or leave. No way players running this club anymore.”
The biggest problem (aside form the Glasers of course) was caused by United players pleasing approach. Huge salaries, tolerance to lack of discipline, pandering the “stars”, no accountability. We assembled the most impressive collection of the laziest and at the same time ambitious players ever. Disastrous combination of traits which cost us billions pounds.
The biggest problem (aside form the Glasers of course) was caused by United players pleasing approach. Huge salaries, tolerance to lack of discipline, pandering the “stars”, no accountability. We assembled the most impressive collection of the laziest and at the same time ambitious players ever. Disastrous combination of traits which cost us billions pounds.
Good interview, necessary interview. I was wrong and many on here were right Jimmy Brexit, does see it like the fans. Players are shit, needs a big rebuild and he's going to fund it.
Exactly right. It's what we have wanted in a coach for ages. There hasn't been instant gratification, but that isn't any reason to pull the plug. I'm liking the new transfer strategy and even if it may not pay off immediately, we have reason for optimism. I look forward to Amorim having a full preseason with the team and more options incoming who will fit his intentions.
That is something that really grates on me as we’ve spent years wanting a structure to be put in place so the coach comes in simply to coach rather than choosing the style of play, the footballing identity and what players come in to fit the system and Ratcliffe himself publicly said those days are gone yet here we are again.
I really want Amorim to succeed but if he doesn’t then do we then go for Xabi Alonso or Oliver Glasner or Antonio Conte because they also play 3-4-2-1 ? Or do we do the same thing yet again and bring in a coach who has to have yet another overhaul because the players don’t fit that coach ?
I hear from a lot on here that Amorim’s formation doesn’t require specialists then it’s that he doesn’t have the players he needs for his formation to work, either way I hope he succeeds but this does have to be the final time that we do this in regards to constant overhauls to fit coaches tactical preferences and should have our own way of playing so the coaches bend to the clubs Will rather than us bending to theirs.
I don’t have an answer to your overall concern, but I’d like to point out that since SAF left, we don’t have any style of play or philosophy, so to speak. It’s just all short-term solutions, which culminated in where we are today. The blame is squarely on the Glazers for the abandonment of course, but it is what it is. Maybe with Amorim, we’re trying to establish a new football identity rather than just a new system. It will be more telling what kind of football style we’ll be pursuing going forward IF Amorim was sacked.
We're overhauling to bring in a type of profile and better quality, not players who can only play 3421. Why don't you lot save your moaning until we sign a player that is no use beyond this manager? Until then it's an odd hypothetical to moan about.
That’s a very good point. Them laying down the foundations and wanting similar managers to manage us which then means we don’t need a big overhaul each time basically means If Amorim doesn’t succeed and we look to move on then that means we’d need a manager who prefers a back 3 which limits who we go for. The top ones would obviously be Alonso, inzaghi.
People are way too hung on three at the back. Amorim's basic approach is no different to most big teams these days - a combination of pressing and possession, the aim to play the game in the oppostion third, width on both flanks, a couple of players moving in and around the half spaces outside the penalty area. Its a common template. The difference between his style of football and many other coaches who play the same way but with 4 at the back is smaller than the difference between counter attacking football and possession football.
The main concession to his style is needing either attacking full backs, or wingers who can do a shift defensively. This is different from those managers who prefer inverted full backs or inverted wingers. But really, that's not a huge issue, plenty of managers use attacking full backs. Beyond that, the only other issue is the potential to have an extra first team quality CB, which is not really an issue if you buy decent players in the first place, just sell one on.
You almost never get a new manager coming in who doesn't want to make any changes to a squad. There's always some turnover as new managers do their own thing. What matters is that you can adjust a squad to the new manager's style with 2 or 3 new players, rather than needing 7 or 8.
If he is supported with the transfers of some players who fit his system, promote from the youth and shift as many as he can of the worst/injury prone players on this summer, then I think Amorim has a good chance to get us top 6/7 next season and put us on a footing to break top 4 the season after and eventually a title shot. He proved his worth with the 3rd best club in Portugal who were miles behind Benfica and Porto before he took over, breaking the duopoly up, bit like Fergie in Scotland.
Which midfielders would everyone go for to play in midfield two?
They have to be mobile, good on the ball and have great defensive instincts.
These types of players are few and far between if you ask me so I think we have a tough task filling those roles.
They have to be mobile, good on the ball and have great defensive instincts.
These types of players are few and far between if you ask me so I think we have a tough task filling those roles.
Only a few top teams play 3 CBs, hence it was a big gamble by us going down that path.
Anyone can have a clear vision, the difficult part is to implement it on the pitch.
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Yeah that quote stood out to be too. Feels like we've once again gone back to "the coach decides how we play and the rest of the club follows along".
Baleba would be a dream signing, but is too expensive.
They finally came out to give backing!
They all publicly backed the manager a few months ago as well to be fair.
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