To be fair the club have gave people very little to be optimistic about. We have added Cunha to a team that finished 15th, get us a few transfers, maybe a few outs and the mood will lighten up. As of now it does look bleak.
Ruben Amorim | 2025-26
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I know, we all know. But people repeating the same pessimistic crap several times a day gets really boring fast.
I know, "then don't read", which I do less and less....
It's about time we had a cultural reset here and it's great manager is not afraid to do unpopular decisions.
Bruno wanted to stay. Any serious manager would not send his only WC player over the board. it's players decision too not to move to a one of the scummest countries in the world when he can still pay football in Europe at highest level. He's not your toy.
Sancho discredited himself the last couple of seasons already his stake cant be lower anyway. We wouldnet get anything out of this very rotten apple.
Rashford lost motivation in ages but he's under pressure to find a new club to get his career back on track before major tournament. He will have to cooperate and it's kinda useless to pretend something which is very obvious anyway. He wouldnt play in preseason anyway as his minutes would be wasted. everyone knows he's up for sale.
Antony was clear about staying away form England, most likely it's consensual that he doesnt have to report back. Again he's not in managers plans, so why pretend and use his slot to anyone else.
Garnacho was setting bad example but I am sure we will have some offers and might opt for some lower fee 40-50 and sell on.
Mbeumo will happen and while he seemeingly might not be playing the prioritize position, we are inevitably adding loads goals from different spot, and covering three positions. if Amad gets injured we are back to shite Dalot/Mazroui as a WB. I am sure that he might be used as a CF A.Sanches style no9 too. he's got workload, goals, agility to press and strength to play there and provide cover or if we somehow dont get the striker which market is very difficult.
I am sure he will, but hopefully things will start moving around with some sales and he will be backed otherwise he should get bit of a excuse if not, he's doing the dirty job kicking out all overpriced players getting rid of serious amount of wages while risking his own name. That doesnt mean he should finish at 15th. I think Europa league should easily be gettable with Mbeumo, Cunha, loaned/ budget CM, loaned/budget ST and some stopgap GK+ Vitek, plus what we have.
I'd say lets stay positive in general, he's shown in many games we are entertaining again after many years of dross, with what he had at disposal it was even bizzare we could play that style of football. Let me just finish with that he passed the eye test and what he says and does seem actually perfect. People might not agree but if they look at the results in isolation and jusge the number of points and position in the EPL table, they are just clueless.
Just need the footy back and it should subside, well if we actually win a few games. Call me a glutton for punishment but I can't wait for the season to start, never realised how boring the weekends are without football.
I see this thrown around a lot, both here and on reddit. Why is there this assumption that anyone who's negative about the trajectory of the club and/or manager has some deep-seated issues in their personal life? It's quite bizarre.
Hell yes, I'm fully expecting us to cook next season - juuuust need one or two signings, and then....!
Truly don't see him lasting the season.
There's just nothing positive about his reign so far.
Hopefully proves me wrong.
There's just nothing positive about his reign so far.
Hopefully proves me wrong.
Why bizarre? If you're constantly writing negative stuff, then I'll naturally assume that you are a negative person.
You can be negative and write reasonable about it of course, but very few does that.
"Amorims shit, we're the worst at buying/selling/everything". feck off. Boring.
You can agree with how he has treated Antony, Garnacho, Rashford, Sancho etc.. sure. Indeed cultural reset, but then you must agree that the club is actually backing him. He is tying our hands by selling him this way. It is true that they some off them are on obscene high wages, but this definitely doesn't help us to avoid a late loan on the last day of the transfer window.
Buying Cunha, Mbeumo and Dorgu before any sales within less than a year is not exactly a manager that has been hung out to dry. It may even become more if we manage to sell some players.
As for Bruno, he was definitely interested in joining and had to give it serious thought. Bruno may be our "only" WC player, but despite that we have been crap over a long period of time and he contributes to that as well. A rebuild away from him wasn't unthinkable, and it was a ruthless decision Amorim could have made. Especially for the fees involved, he chose not to. This is fair enough, but he should be judged for it regardless. If coming season, this Bruno in a midfield two experiment fails, much blaim will be on him.
Also what you are saying about how it is bizarre how entertaining we were at times..sorry I can't take that serious at all. One-offs occur with every team, even under EtH.
The board must surely realize by now that it will take many years for us to challenge for the PL title. 2028 is not realistic. Will be interesting to see if they think Amorim can take the first step and establish us in the top 5 within the next 3 years or if they fire him after next season if we end up around 10th place.
Most people writing negative things about Amorim are doing so because they hold the club to a higher standard than the mess it has become and want us to be successful again. That's wanting a solution to the problem, some might say that's actually a positive thing.
So much is wrong - if what we read in the press is true.
We have a manager, and presumably a technical director, and director of football or whatever this week's job titles are, who think Andre Onana is sufficiently good to play another season in the Premier League for Manchester United. I think public opinion would be that we need 2 new goalkeepers. It's quite an important position.
We have a manager who is stubborn beyond belief in this style of play, despite in his own words, having made us the worst Manchester United side in Premier League history - and we have an ownership who seem to be happy for him to continue. If you look at his comments, his behaviour, his attitude and the performance of the team, the only justification for keeping him is you don't know what else to do. All the doubling over backwards by some people to justify his performance is just looking for hope, and not accepting the reality.
We have a manager who seems to not understand that in declaring players to be not fit for purpose and banning them from training sessions, he has probably reduced their combined value by £100,000,000. That is not smart. Would he advertise his car as having, awful knocking noise, as if it is going to fall apart, if you drive it for 30 miles or more? No commercial sense being applied to the man management of players. We have a quartet, is it, of once very expensive players, who absolutely everybody knows we don't want and that they don't want to be at United. What a way to make a mess of your finances.
We have a transfer team who don't seem able to get vital transfers done. We desperately need 2 centre forwards, along with the goalkeepers. No news on the former and apparently no interest in doing the latter. Even when we have declared an interest in a player, Mbeumo, we don't seem capable of closing the deal or finding an alternative. We do seem to have bought a few younger players, but not ones that are going to influence the team next season.
It just seems that everywhere you look we are making a right mess of the situation.
I feel like doom and gloom. I do hope that I am wrong.
We have a manager, and presumably a technical director, and director of football or whatever this week's job titles are, who think Andre Onana is sufficiently good to play another season in the Premier League for Manchester United. I think public opinion would be that we need 2 new goalkeepers. It's quite an important position.
We have a manager who is stubborn beyond belief in this style of play, despite in his own words, having made us the worst Manchester United side in Premier League history - and we have an ownership who seem to be happy for him to continue. If you look at his comments, his behaviour, his attitude and the performance of the team, the only justification for keeping him is you don't know what else to do. All the doubling over backwards by some people to justify his performance is just looking for hope, and not accepting the reality.
We have a manager who seems to not understand that in declaring players to be not fit for purpose and banning them from training sessions, he has probably reduced their combined value by £100,000,000. That is not smart. Would he advertise his car as having, awful knocking noise, as if it is going to fall apart, if you drive it for 30 miles or more? No commercial sense being applied to the man management of players. We have a quartet, is it, of once very expensive players, who absolutely everybody knows we don't want and that they don't want to be at United. What a way to make a mess of your finances.
We have a transfer team who don't seem able to get vital transfers done. We desperately need 2 centre forwards, along with the goalkeepers. No news on the former and apparently no interest in doing the latter. Even when we have declared an interest in a player, Mbeumo, we don't seem capable of closing the deal or finding an alternative. We do seem to have bought a few younger players, but not ones that are going to influence the team next season.
It just seems that everywhere you look we are making a right mess of the situation.
I feel like doom and gloom. I do hope that I am wrong.
Sorry, I just posted one.
But, I'm losing hope.
I don’t think his 343 remotely works with the squad we’ve got, and we don’t seem to be signing anyone to fix that.
If we’d played 4231 last year and had Bruno closer to goal, does anyone think we’d of finished as low as we did?
We don’t have the midfield to play 2 in the middle against most sides who’ll play 3. Its suicide.
If he’s to have any luck with a back 3 we need to change it to a 352 and get the extra body in the middle to stop being over run.
It’s not perfect but this is better…
If we’d played 4231 last year and had Bruno closer to goal, does anyone think we’d of finished as low as we did?
We don’t have the midfield to play 2 in the middle against most sides who’ll play 3. Its suicide.
If he’s to have any luck with a back 3 we need to change it to a 352 and get the extra body in the middle to stop being over run.
It’s not perfect but this is better…
Calamity Jane
Yoro - de Ligt - Heaven
Amad - Ugarte - Mainoo - Dorgu
Bruno
Mbeumo - Cunha
Yoro - de Ligt - Heaven
Amad - Ugarte - Mainoo - Dorgu
Bruno
Mbeumo - Cunha
Your post was OK, until you suggested we had two girls in goal. Better than Onana no doubt, put not a possible selection with the rules as they are at the moment.
New thread, same old people spouting negative bullshit on a daily basis. What else is new.
Yea. I like that.
That kind of logic might make sense if Utd had just missed out on top 6 or 7. But 15th? You're making it sound as if he inherited one of the worst squads in the PL.
Other than, on rare occasions, PL managers retiring (eg Sir Alex, Wenger, Klop), or moving to a bigger club, every new manager coming in does so because the previous manager was fired. And fired because the team performed poorly.
And many, if not most, come in mid-season because the previous manager was fired mid-season for the team performing poorly.
So Amorim coming in mid-season is not as strange as Amorim fans are making out.
According to the BBC, the 5 players he wants out all not allowed to come into Carrington to train or use the rehab facilities until after Amorim and the rest of the squad have left for the day.
On that basis, do you think Utd are in any position to negotiate when trying to get decent transfer fees for these players?
And that's all down to Amorim.
Amorim fan boys like him because he looks good and speaks well. Forget the fact that he doesn't seem to have a clue about tactics to win PL matches even against even weaker teams. Just focus on the fact that he speak well and looks good.
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Clicking your fingers and expecting instant results isn’t a positive thing. It’s denial. If you want success then get your head out of your collective asses and realise it will take time, especially with the bunch of overpaid players the manager has to deal with who can’t handle a system that requires even a modicum of skill, and a financial setup weighed down by years of absolute diabolical mismanagement.
But no, ‘manager must magically make these shite players play like a top 4 club otherwise he’s shit’. Great rationale.
Yes he is the one responsible for outing those players, however if memory serves me right didn't Maresca do something similar at Chelsea last pre season. Admittedly the players he was outing were not on the same level of importance which made it easier.
There is no doubt he has to get off to a good start which looks a huge ask with those fixtures. Right now I still back him, however if he has us in the bottom half by October international break he will rightfully be under severe pressure.
It looks alright on paper. But in reality 352 has other problems, and is arguably the worst formation, as it leaves your wing backs completely isolated out wide to be a one man show with no support, and the opposition full backs get too much time and space as they face less direct pressure on them.
But I've no idea why we went down this route trying to turn us into a back 3 side for no benefit at all. When it inevitably fails it will have set us back years.
Talk about burying your head in the sand. Wanting to see sings of improvement and wanting to see better than 15th is somehow "expecting instant results". Just give him time, just give him another window and another preseason,. Where have we heard all this before.
Back against the wall. Us vs the world. The only time to shine! Im crazy optimistic! LFG!
There are legitimate questions about him anyways, and he's being backed by one of the most mismanaged clubs around.
I like him, but right now I think he's screwed.
I like him, but right now I think he's screwed.
He needed a big summer of high turnover to inject new life into a dead squad and Ineos have given feck all. One signing so far after finishing 15th. No support whatsoever.
He's a likeable chap,
his system is crap
I hope he succeeds
sacked by November
his system is crap
I hope he succeeds
sacked by November
All things considered, manager, ownership, transfers and so on, surely no one can actually believe that he'll turn it around
We’ve got Leeds, West Ham, Bournemouth, Everton, Fiorentina friendlies before the season starts. What do you predict will be our record? Fiorentina seems like the only one of the 5 we stand a chance against because they are continental. I get it, these are fitness exercises more than anything, but if we get embarrassed in them, surely that’s an omen.
Do you think if these 5 friendlies go tits up that the board will act? I can see us getting 3L and 2D, or 4L 1D: would that not be the alarm bells ringing that we are going to get manhandled in the league?
Then we face Arsenal, Fulham, and Burnley in games that matter. Counting friendlies we could post 6L and 2D in the start of this season.
We already really struggle to sell players, so I don't really think this helps any more.
Also it is said to be boosting squad morale, I am not 100% sure it does. Some of these players have known these guys for years, are mates etc.. to see them booted out in this way is not always the best. Sure it may help in setting up a new culture, at the end of the day, whatever happens, responsibility will fall on Amorim.
New thread, same shit
Just a thinly veiled personal attack. You disagree so let's frame it there's something wrong with you. Coming from people who post stuff like "let's bet he stays and you will never post here again". Talk about taking things seriously.
Nothing wrong with optimism but some posters are constantly trying to make it seem like all of this is just part of the plan and we're just blind to see it gets old as well. Things have never been bleaker in PL history and people complain about negativity.
Ruben lad is a likeable chap
but his system is little bit crap
I hope he succeeds
Gets rid of bad weeds
But November he's given his sack
Probably not as they were barely worth that combined in the first place.
we’re going to be calling for a manager to get sacked based on pre-season results, are we?Nah, it’s definitely not “a positive thing” to post negative stuff. Nice try though. Whether we’ve any reason to post stuff that really is positive is a separate issue.
I don't really care about friendlies. They don't matter at all and are mostly about fitness and earning some money in the US.
But. After the season we just had, we really could use a positive mood and vibe around the club, so getting thrashed in preseason, while largely meaningless, might just place us straight back into the same mindset and terrible vibe we ended the season with. Would be nice to avoid that
Isn't that a positive thing to post about though?? Basing a season on pre-season results. feck me... the guy(Amorim) has been given the shittiest of hands and INEOS keep on shitting on him this pre season, but yeah it all falls on him sadly.
If we have a bad start, it will be interesting to see if the toxicity from the crowd is aimed more at Amorim or the board room.
I've argued since February that he's largely escaped criticism in the ground, despite his mistakes, because of wider issues above him.
Clearly, we're in this mess because of those wider issues but Amorim needs to figure out a way of getting some results in the short term otherwise he quickly becomes the public face of a continuing decline.
I've argued since February that he's largely escaped criticism in the ground, despite his mistakes, because of wider issues above him.
Clearly, we're in this mess because of those wider issues but Amorim needs to figure out a way of getting some results in the short term otherwise he quickly becomes the public face of a continuing decline.
Yep, let's type some things I didn't say and present them as fact. Great rationale. See below if you want my actual opinion.
Of course it isn't, I was replying to an absurd post with an equally absurd one.
The idea that people should be censored from writing how they feel about Amorim on an online forum because it upsets some people is entirely stupid though. We've gone backwards under him (which didn't even seem possible at the time of Ten Hag's exit), recorded our lowest ever Premier League finish and he has the lowest win percentage of any United manager I can remember. He's too stubborn to change from his formation which has showed no signs of working, he's unwilling to work with several players and even our best/most talented players don't have cemented roles to get the best out of them within his system. What is there to actually be positive about?
Amorim himself has actually been extremely negative since he arrived here - playing down expectations since he arrived and speaking in terms like it's impossible to win or it doesn't matter. He even played down the importance of winning the Europa League final ahead of that match and we're feeling the repercussions of that loss now. Anyone complaining about the lack of backing in the market has to remember we would've got an extra £100m to put towards the squad if the manager could get us to win a one-off match against a really low quality Spurs side.
I dont write here up normally as I like to read different opinions as you gain lot of info(both good and bad). From what I saw last year the issues are
1. We didn't score enough
2. We created enough chances - we did a lot and our forward line was worse than hilariously bad in finishing them
3. Defence was ok'ish - Remember they were mostly kids(yoro - heaven)
4. GoalKeeping was bad - plain and simple no explanation needed.
5. Every time I saw the game, it always felt that we were playing with 9 men and not 11 and that made it feel like the opponent was playing with 13 men against our 9. Because the opponents defense has nothing to fear and even they can let our front 3 roam around freely with the ball at their feet as they didn't do much.
6. Midfiled was ok'ish.
To address the glaring issue we wanted quality forwards, which is what we needed before the start of the previous season as well and now we are addressing that. Garnacho was bad really really bad and Cunha from last season and before is 5 times the player Garnacho is with just the decision making and Strength. Attitude wise iam not sold on either of them. Hopefully we will wrap up Mbeumo. Just with these 2 signings the defenders and to an extent midfield has to take a step back unlike when they played against Garnacho + Rasmus + Bruno on the right wing(this is atrocious).
Above point means we should not the same amount of pressure in our MF and Defense, that means less shots for the keeper to tackle(pun intended). Yes MF and WingBacks are needed, but with our financial positions its not going to happen. But what iam worried is we aren't linked with any players in that posistion, if we think only proven players were to be signed then even Bruno was a gamble when we bought him. There are players out there who can clearly improve us and not sure why we aren't looking at them for club of size with the scouting network we have.
But i do feel we are going in the right direction, but very slowly I would like us to be more precise and faster in our approach.
1. We didn't score enough
2. We created enough chances - we did a lot and our forward line was worse than hilariously bad in finishing them
3. Defence was ok'ish - Remember they were mostly kids(yoro - heaven)
4. GoalKeeping was bad - plain and simple no explanation needed.
5. Every time I saw the game, it always felt that we were playing with 9 men and not 11 and that made it feel like the opponent was playing with 13 men against our 9. Because the opponents defense has nothing to fear and even they can let our front 3 roam around freely with the ball at their feet as they didn't do much.
6. Midfiled was ok'ish.
To address the glaring issue we wanted quality forwards, which is what we needed before the start of the previous season as well and now we are addressing that. Garnacho was bad really really bad and Cunha from last season and before is 5 times the player Garnacho is with just the decision making and Strength. Attitude wise iam not sold on either of them. Hopefully we will wrap up Mbeumo. Just with these 2 signings the defenders and to an extent midfield has to take a step back unlike when they played against Garnacho + Rasmus + Bruno on the right wing(this is atrocious).
Above point means we should not the same amount of pressure in our MF and Defense, that means less shots for the keeper to tackle(pun intended). Yes MF and WingBacks are needed, but with our financial positions its not going to happen. But what iam worried is we aren't linked with any players in that posistion, if we think only proven players were to be signed then even Bruno was a gamble when we bought him. There are players out there who can clearly improve us and not sure why we aren't looking at them for club of size with the scouting network we have.
But i do feel we are going in the right direction, but very slowly I would like us to be more precise and faster in our approach.
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