Must depend on the model. On Understat (easiest one to filter by dates) we were still only 6th after five games.
But the apples-to-apples comparison is surely three games, and that's very different.
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But the apples-to-apples comparison is surely three games, and that's very different.
That's a positive then. That should silence the naysayers for a while.
Maybe, either way we were near the top 5 games into last season. So these early stats don't mean much. The main thing is we don't look any different to last season bar a couple players in Mbuemo and Cunha being better than the players they are replacing. Even the Arsenal match wasn't too dissimilar to how we played against other top 4 teams under Amorim last season, including Arsenal. Ditto the Fulham and Grimsby games. Just more of the same tactical flaws.
Yeah he's a very different profile, hoping that we could pair them up next summer. Well unless someone else emerges in that Baleba profile of CM which is a real possibility.
While the results have been poor even lately, the underlying stats show improvement, especially on offense. But I can't help but look at our squad and think that it still functions better as a 4-3-3 rather then 3-4-3 due to our midfield. A middle two of Bruno and Casemiro doesnt work. But a midfield 3 of Bruno, Mainoo, and Ugarte/Casemiro isnt terrible.
Why not jump into a canyon and see if you can fly? Not everything in life is "what if". That is what gambling is called indeed
I have not watched a minute of Lammens play! Neither have most people - because that is the point - he is nobody. He may become somebody but we are not a training ground, we are one of the largest clubs in the world. We shouldnt be gambling on a keeper
I shouldnt have to explain why buying a young, inexperienced goalkeeper from Belgium and asking him to overnight become starting keeper for United is a huge gamble
You'd never buy anyone until they've proved themselves in the league and pay massive fees then, which is obviously silly. It's literally what scouts and analysts are paid for, it's then up to the coaches to see what he's like in training.
As said in another thread, if we can't unearth gems from leagues without having to pay extortionate sums, we may as well just pack in the whole scouting operation and buy whoever plays well in the prem.
It won't though
This is just not an accurate assessment of the Fulham game at all.
Fulham had 52% possession and xG was even-ish with Fulham slightly ahead, Fulham 13 shots to our 10. And our xG is inflated by one of their players randomly deciding to judo throw our player for no reason at all and gift us a penalty, not a goalscoring chance we actually created ourselves.
If you polled most football fans after that game I'd bet most would say Fulham edged it with maybe a draw being fair.
In my opinion. RA not being able to watch the penalties is not such a bad thing. In fact, he’s acting like some “real” fans. Being human and all. We can’t expect everyone to be the same. Not many are like SAF or Pep/Klopp. Mental states of people are so different but it doesn’t make them any lesser human being. I say we support our manager (even after (if) they are sacked). But who am I really to say this.
I would gladly light the fuse once you're inside!
It is not a gamble, it is an educated guess as the scouts will have done their homework on him. Obviously, the guy has talent as a lot of big clubs were tracking him.
We don't even know if that is the plan. How do you know he wont sit for a while?
Sure, we want a keeper now, but other positions have been prioritized, so we have actually done well to get Lammens in. It may be a good thing that we have three keepers fighting it out for a spot, if one is not sold.
Martinez was never going to happen for 30mil and high wages and I think i read that the payment terms on Lammens were very helpful to us. As a said prior, we cant dedicate 400k+ a week on the GK possition, which is what it would have been with Onana, Martinez, Bayendir and Heaton.
No, it was a terrible look. Wasn't just that he wasn't looking. He was quivering in the dugout, rocking back and forth like a nervous wreck.
He needs to man the f**k up, seriously, if he wants to stay as Man United manager.
Criticize the loss or lack of results last year, but this is a strange thing to choose among all the others.
When you are shit, which we are, and need quick fixes, which we do, yea we need proven solutions, especially for key positions like goalkeeper.
We can gamble for the likes of Diego Leon, because we dont have to start him in any game any time soon
That is the difference between recruiting from lesser leagues as investment and gambling on your goalkeeper that loses you seasons
Will you be the last one to criticize him when he is over his head and loses us games because he is too young and inexperienced? Something tells me you will stand in the front line with stones ready to go
I hope he does sit for a while but then we are playing games with Onana or Bayindir, which will see us lose games and maybe even Amorim get sacked. Not what I wish on United
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I’ve been following United since the turn of millennium and for the first time, I’ve had enough with managerial changes and I am willing to give as much time as it takes to cook.
I am knackered with the constant changes that are required after every manager sacking and then the same merry go round.
I see lots of positivity with our attack and it’s the just a matter of time when everything clicks and we start scoring with ease.
This season doesn’t feel anything like the last, at least to me.
I am knackered with the constant changes that are required after every manager sacking and then the same merry go round.
I see lots of positivity with our attack and it’s the just a matter of time when everything clicks and we start scoring with ease.
This season doesn’t feel anything like the last, at least to me.
Did you read and get triggered by that journo who spent the whole match watching and taking notes on Amorim's body language?
My gosh some of you are strange and silly
He’s an absolute mile off in my opinion, his tactics are so rigid, thing is I believe if we had another manager in Oliver Glasner for instance, same ish formation but completely drilled in what to do and adaptable. I’ve backed him 100 percent, but when he was messing with that tactics board at Grimsby it had a stench only beholder to Steve McClarens umberella to it. I admit I thought he was it, he’s not. Will only get worse with him in charge and I’ve watched every second of every game, we’re useless! Same stuff different players
Didn’t Slot have the tactics board out the other day? And other managers.
Such a weird criticism, they all seem to use it.
Not against Grimsby Town, I think is the point. The belief is he shouldn’t have needed magnets to know how to put Grimsby to the sword. Coupled with his body language it painted a picture of someone in over his head.
That does look encouraging, I must admit.
He doesn't demand it. He needs it because he's so tactically backwards.
11 top players is the solution?! The man's a genius
It does, but it's slightly inflated by two penalties
The shots on target is only very minimally affected, considering one of those penalties didn’t even hit the target!
Anyway, click on the image. There’s a load of other stats that penalties have no relevance to. The touches in the opposition box stat is arguably the most encouraging. Small data set but we’re also one of only six teams who’s played one of last season’s top two in our first three fixtures.
I didn't realise there's more to the tweet than the first two stats. So yeah, xG is slightly inflated, the rest really isn't. Good stuff
That’s silly though, and if he did the opposite he’d be criticised for relying on ‘vibes’. Not to mention that we scored twice after the boards came out.
Yeah, I tend not to click on tweets either (because feck Elon Musk) but definitely worth it for this one!
Sounds like you missed the part where we lost.
We need a bigger board
Just to temper things slightly. We've had 2 penalties in 3 games so that's 1.4xg right there.
So open play XG is 5.3 no?
I was literally just saying that there is nothing wrong with using a tactics board against any opponent. That’s it.
If only the tweet had more data than just xG.
Also, why delete penalties from United’s xG only? That seems a little unfair.
It's terrible man, let's not sugarcoat it. He's not supposed to act like a fan.
It's also not reserved for penalties, at times he doesn't even watch corner kicks. There's no positive spin to this
Brighton and Chelsea have also had penalties (one each, I think?)
The underlying stats mean zero when the most important stat is still losing 4 out of 5.
Stats have a place but the only one that really matters is wins.
You’ve attempted excusing something that looked patently ridiculous at the time (hence the meme farm).
Fair point. Had a look and we're second in open play XG which is nice.
https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask/open-play-xg-teams-this-season?l=eu5
My point was be careful of XG when penalties are included because it skews massively.
Yes because there’s literally nothing ridiculous about using a tactics board. It’s literally just a tool to show a visual representation to a player what you want them to do, etc.
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