There is not a chance anyone on our board actually thinks he can turn this around.
Ruben Amorim | 2025-26
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There is not a chance anyone on our board actually thinks he can turn this around.
Meh, teams do that all the time. The whole point with Wilcox was that he was buying for the club and not the manager. Mbeumo would look perfectly fine as a right winger, Cunha will do well cutting in from the left or play through the middle if Mount or Bruno play on the left. So it’s not like there’s a player who would look completely out of place, if we switched to a 4-3-3 with a different manager tomorrow. We might have one too many center backs but the likes of Maguire and Shaw needed to move on next season anyways.
If they do, we have much bigger problems
He wins one in four, man. How much worse can it get? We haven't won two PL games under his tenure so far. I am sure you'll do better than him. You are a more viable alternative.
when you consider the kind of form that got our other managers sacked is simply his normal form over 50 games, you have to wonder what on earth we're doing. I was firmly Amorim in at the start of the season, but Grimbsy was the turning point for me.
As for why I kept blind faith in him for so long? I did truly believe a transfer window and proper pre-season as well as a break from the negativity of last season would genuinely give him a fair shot at the role, but given the context of last season, we had to start this one on all cylinders and we look just as bad as ever. If there were genuine signs we were improving, it wouldn't feel so bad but even if we were, when you bring in players like Cunha & Mbuemo, 1 win in our first 5 games is absolutely disgusting, regardless of opposition.
As for why I kept blind faith in him for so long? I did truly believe a transfer window and proper pre-season as well as a break from the negativity of last season would genuinely give him a fair shot at the role, but given the context of last season, we had to start this one on all cylinders and we look just as bad as ever. If there were genuine signs we were improving, it wouldn't feel so bad but even if we were, when you bring in players like Cunha & Mbuemo, 1 win in our first 5 games is absolutely disgusting, regardless of opposition.
I think it's telling that normally I calm down the next day and say things are ok...
Today I've actually gone further the other way and I think we need to get rid of him. Dreadful results for nearly a year and no sign of anything changing, that will do for me.
Today I've actually gone further the other way and I think we need to get rid of him. Dreadful results for nearly a year and no sign of anything changing, that will do for me.
You don't, it's equal to trying to teach quantum physics to a toddler.
That’s like calling parents who encourage their drug addict child to continue taking drugs, supportive parents.
The match going fans have been a huge part of saving the jobs of utterly shit managers and dragging this club down to the depths it is currently now. They were even chanting for ETH to keep his job and look how that turned out. Actually apart from maybe Moyes, I can’t remember a single manager these top reds have turned on when they’ve stunk up the place. Top teams like Madrid have fans with winning mentalities, our lot are back the manager fc.
At this point I think he's sending hints to the board that he wants to get sacked.
Statements like "I won’t change my philosophy. If they [INEOS] want it changed, you change the man”.
It's clear his set up is not working, the fullbacks don't provide the width enough, the midfield is too weak and slow any team that put pressure on us and we end up without passing options, too slow and outnumbered to play good counterattacking football and we can barely create chances upfront besides crossings. In top of that we're not particularly sound in defense.
This system may work in the premier league but it definitely won't with this squad. We lack too many specialist for it to work and even then the system may prove to be too fragile for the premier league.
I like Amorim but this has to end, I manager can't be that inflexible. I like that they stick to their ideas but this goes beyond that. It's like his ego is put before the team's interests.
He has to go, I don't see a way back from this. The further it drags the further we'll fall down the table and possibly ruin the new recruits confidence in the way. Sesko is starving for service how long before the media starts slating him? Results have been beyond anything we could've imagined when Amorim first arrived.
I like Amorim but it's over.
Statements like "I won’t change my philosophy. If they [INEOS] want it changed, you change the man”.
It's clear his set up is not working, the fullbacks don't provide the width enough, the midfield is too weak and slow any team that put pressure on us and we end up without passing options, too slow and outnumbered to play good counterattacking football and we can barely create chances upfront besides crossings. In top of that we're not particularly sound in defense.
This system may work in the premier league but it definitely won't with this squad. We lack too many specialist for it to work and even then the system may prove to be too fragile for the premier league.
I like Amorim but this has to end, I manager can't be that inflexible. I like that they stick to their ideas but this goes beyond that. It's like his ego is put before the team's interests.
He has to go, I don't see a way back from this. The further it drags the further we'll fall down the table and possibly ruin the new recruits confidence in the way. Sesko is starving for service how long before the media starts slating him? Results have been beyond anything we could've imagined when Amorim first arrived.
I like Amorim but it's over.
Worse than any manager in the previous century also. Backed by stats
I think most people were happy with that logic.
Yesterday was the last straw for me. And it’s not losing at city at home. That’s expected.
It’s that the players really tried yesterday. (They didn’t against Grimsby) They ran and they ran and they ran. But they all looked absolutely dog shit and clueless in this system.
I cannot see how this system will get us winning football matches and he won’t change the system. So he has to go.
You know what. I do believe the current team would do better without a manager, just playing on vibes. That's how shit of a manager he turns out to be. Nobody expected these disastrous results.
I think more than anything else now he is coming across as a bit immature with his total lack of openess to changing his approach.
If does get sacked, and then goes on to another club and does well with a different setup then he'll probably look back on his United days and cringe a bit at the way he's been behaving.
He's got charisma, and I'm sure the players and fans could love him, but stubbornness, immaturity, and inexperience, isn't really a good mix when things are going wrong.
If does get sacked, and then goes on to another club and does well with a different setup then he'll probably look back on his United days and cringe a bit at the way he's been behaving.
He's got charisma, and I'm sure the players and fans could love him, but stubbornness, immaturity, and inexperience, isn't really a good mix when things are going wrong.
I think he'll be sacked out of the blue.
We all criticised Ange for the stubborn adherence to a system, looks like this guy has the same problem
Ok so Amorim has a 20 odd % win rate, well I don't want to replace that with someone who will have a 30 odd % win rate.
Replacing someone doing terribly, with someone who will just do badly is not a good idea imo.
Mou is free right now right?
That’s how I see it. Pre-season, summer transfer window, no evidence that the team has improved (looking at the results, we continue to be a midtable, even worse, team). Next five games make or break, I reckon.
Ah fair enough, I misunderstood you thinking you were saying we can't change the manager. Yeah the ownership needs to change
- Finished 15th.
- Cost us Europa league trophy and millions in CL revenue.
- Again cost us millions in transfer fees by persuading Bruno to stay, when we could have signed 2 midfielders.
- Tactically naive with an easily overrun midfield.
- Headed for 15th again this season if he stays.
Only positive is he managed to clear out some of the deadwood. But he has been a horrific manager and well past the due date for the sack.
- Cost us Europa league trophy and millions in CL revenue.
- Again cost us millions in transfer fees by persuading Bruno to stay, when we could have signed 2 midfielders.
- Tactically naive with an easily overrun midfield.
- Headed for 15th again this season if he stays.
Only positive is he managed to clear out some of the deadwood. But he has been a horrific manager and well past the due date for the sack.
I've said this before, but I hope when we do get another manager I hope we never let them speak to the press. Take the fine or ask Carlos Queiroz to comeback for the interviews. Or do the whole pochettino thing where he pretended to not speak English for a year.
He fell for the whole system bait in his first 2 weeks here and now he's screwed either way - he changes, nobody will let it go and if he doesn't he's screwed.
He fell for the whole system bait in his first 2 weeks here and now he's screwed either way - he changes, nobody will let it go and if he doesn't he's screwed.
Its pretty simple really, until he has ALL of the players at his disposal we will be left floundering.
That's at least one new centre-back and at least one central midfielder (not sure any one of Ugarte, Casemiro are up to the role but would reserve judgement until they can play alongside someone arguably more capable than them as opposed to Bruno). I'm also not convinced we have a wing-back who is going to make either flank their own in the coming season or two.
So realistically, it won't improve much until next season at the earliest unless we can somehow do some significant business in January which seems unlikely for a number of reasons..
What's most frustrating is that we could be competing now if he was more adaptable and pragmatic, but i do get his theory that drilling this system into the players now will (in his opinion) see us reap the rewards once he does have the final pieces of the jigsaw. Trouble is, the players are either not good enough or are being asked to do a job they are simply incapable of carrying out.
Unfortunately, it looks like he'll fall on his sword before too long.
That's at least one new centre-back and at least one central midfielder (not sure any one of Ugarte, Casemiro are up to the role but would reserve judgement until they can play alongside someone arguably more capable than them as opposed to Bruno). I'm also not convinced we have a wing-back who is going to make either flank their own in the coming season or two.
So realistically, it won't improve much until next season at the earliest unless we can somehow do some significant business in January which seems unlikely for a number of reasons..
What's most frustrating is that we could be competing now if he was more adaptable and pragmatic, but i do get his theory that drilling this system into the players now will (in his opinion) see us reap the rewards once he does have the final pieces of the jigsaw. Trouble is, the players are either not good enough or are being asked to do a job they are simply incapable of carrying out.
Unfortunately, it looks like he'll fall on his sword before too long.
I would genuinely bring him back, which is a sign of how bad the situation is.
Sack him today.
We should have sacked him at the end of last season, but we didn't.
Sack him today.
Nothing has chnaged.
The players are not suited to this diabolical formation and they never will be suited to it.
Sack him today.
The season may still be saved.
Sack him today.
Get rid of those that kept him on.
Sack him today.
Revitalise the club.
Sack him today.
He is not up to the task and he knows it and we know it.
Sack him today.
Nothing against the guy but his formation and obstinancy to changing it shows he still has some development to do in his managerial career. I hope the lesson he learns from this sacking is that he must revisit his tactical ideas and formations and become more flexible.
We should have sacked him at the end of last season, but we didn't.
Sack him today.
Nothing has chnaged.
The players are not suited to this diabolical formation and they never will be suited to it.
Sack him today.
The season may still be saved.
Sack him today.
Get rid of those that kept him on.
Sack him today.
Revitalise the club.
Sack him today.
He is not up to the task and he knows it and we know it.
Sack him today.
Nothing against the guy but his formation and obstinancy to changing it shows he still has some development to do in his managerial career. I hope the lesson he learns from this sacking is that he must revisit his tactical ideas and formations and become more flexible.
feck no.
When he first came into the club we were told he was a ‘great communicator’
Watch his interview on Sky and tell me that’s a great communicator - it was worse than ETH interviews.
His responses to quite valid questions from the sky reporter regarding us being outnumbered all the time in midfield made zero sense.
Watch his interview on Sky and tell me that’s a great communicator - it was worse than ETH interviews.
His responses to quite valid questions from the sky reporter regarding us being outnumbered all the time in midfield made zero sense.
Think it’s harsh to judge him with things going so pear-shaped in general.
I don't buy all this 'nice guy' nonsense that quite a few of our fans continue to peddle, still hoping he succeeds etc.
He's incredibly arrogant not just in terms of how wedded he is to this awful 'proven' system, but in that he thinks he can saw whatever he wants, whenever he wants, with zero consequences - and then has the gall to frame that as a quality.
The reason he is given more slack by the media is partly his charisma (which increasingly comes across as salesman-like given the lack of substance) but the fact he gives them brilliant copy throughout the week because he can't keep his mouth shut and his results are historically horrendous.
Today Danny Murphy is saying it's the players fault not the system. Four years ago him and the rest of his press buddies were advocating for sacking Ole who was doing far better. That says all you need to know.
He's incredibly arrogant not just in terms of how wedded he is to this awful 'proven' system, but in that he thinks he can saw whatever he wants, whenever he wants, with zero consequences - and then has the gall to frame that as a quality.
The reason he is given more slack by the media is partly his charisma (which increasingly comes across as salesman-like given the lack of substance) but the fact he gives them brilliant copy throughout the week because he can't keep his mouth shut and his results are historically horrendous.
Today Danny Murphy is saying it's the players fault not the system. Four years ago him and the rest of his press buddies were advocating for sacking Ole who was doing far better. That says all you need to know.
So when do you think we should sack him?
There's loads of coaches with this attitude at the moment as if delusional levels of confidence in your system is the only way you're going to be a success. Russell Martin was another one last season by sticking to his 'principles' after getting Southampton promoted and is now on the brink of the sack at Rangers less than a year later.
I think it’s moreso United hire princes to run their circus.
Me too. As an interim solution why the feck not. He is at least not going to get this squad relegated.
Do you really believe this? How many of his players does he need to solve the jigsaw?
No manager can have a perfect team, yet managers come in the clubs and you see a change right away and the idea behind it. Yet Amorim needs about 20 new players to show his class.
I'd bring Ole.
It's ok if none of us has a viable replacement for him, there are people who are paid handsomely whose job it is to do just that.
It's a big no from me regarding fans views of bringing Jose back.
A sign of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
We now have a system that prioritises centre backs (we need loads of them), but we seemingly find ourselves outnumbered constantly and struggling to defend.
The club needs to act now, before it's too late. We ironically should have done to Amorim what Sporting did to Amorim's successor.
We now have a system that prioritises centre backs (we need loads of them), but we seemingly find ourselves outnumbered constantly and struggling to defend.
The club needs to act now, before it's too late. We ironically should have done to Amorim what Sporting did to Amorim's successor.
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Then why are they being chased out of all the other castles?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say none of them are credible candidate nor being considered.