Ruben Amorim | 2025-26

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In important positions, he has two of the worst starting players in the league. GK and ST are massive positions. Conte said you can make a mistake choosing a wife, but not with your ST or GK.

Whatever else happens, if those two players aren't with it, you're struggling. I'd genuinely argue Hojlund last season was the 2nd or 3rd worst starting striker in the league.

Im not suggesting there aren't other issues, or the squad is absolutely terrible, but its incredibly disjointed and lacking in physical and technical aspects. It is bad. Even the season before, we finished 8th but many metrics had us finishing bottom half iirc. It was overperformance of xG and that saved us. Whatever you think of that stat, the best teams in Europe win the xG because its a good indicator of scoring goals which is what wins matches.

Why's Amorim spent £90m already and neither of them replacing Hojlund and Onana? If they're that bad. And now bidding £60m+ for a player that plays somewhere we're stacked.
 
Why's Amorim spent £90m already and neither of them replacing Hojlund and Onana? If they're that bad. And now bidding £60m+ for a player that plays somewhere we're stacked.
Wing backs are crucial in his system. And i doubt we replace Onana unless we sell him. As for ST, i’m pretty sure we’ve tried signing one but not winning the Europa screwed us over.
 
Wing backs are crucial in his system. And i doubt we replace Onana unless we sell him. As for ST, i’m pretty sure we’ve tried signing one but not winning the Europa screwed us over.
I'm starting to feel like the Europa League was his only chance at staying here very long.
 
I'm starting to feel like the Europa League was his only chance at staying here very long.
Was our only chance of a decent window. We’re proper skint and was relying on that money. I’m starting to feel like not selling Bruno for 100m will cost us a decent rebuild
 
Why's Amorim spent £90m already and neither of them replacing Hojlund and Onana? If they're that bad. And now bidding £60m+ for a player that plays somewhere we're stacked.
Because we needed them as well. Not that difficult to see we needed a LWB and Cunha had a decent release clause so was an easy deal to sort.

The striker market isn't exactly flourishing this summer and we're not in a great position for prospective transfers. So getting Cunha and maybe Mbuemo for what is looking more and more like decent prices (Elanga and Kudus less than 10m less than Cunha?) And they actually want to play for us.

That's why we've spent money and not replaced those positions yet.
 
Can I ask. Does anyone actually believe his formation will work in the PL? I just can't see it unless the wingbacks are Lethal and the midfield works hard.
 
Can I ask. Does anyone actually believe his formation will work in the PL? I just can't see it unless the wingbacks are Lethal and the midfield works hard.

Why not?

The formation under Amorim has beaten City multiple times, including dominantly, outplayed Liverpool, stood up well against Arsenal.

It's just about the right players knowing to do the right things rather than where a specific player stands.
 
Why not?

The formation under Amorim has beaten City multiple times, including dominantly, outplayed Liverpool, stood up well against Arsenal.

It's just about the right players knowing to do the right things rather than where a specific player stands.
Who outplayed Liverpool?
 
A match in which we had less shots, less shots on goal, vastly less xG, less possession and less passes but we outplayed them? Don't think Amorim played Liverpool in another game?

So you don't think it was a fantastic performance under Amorim?
 
Can I ask. Does anyone actually believe his formation will work in the PL? I just can't see it unless the wingbacks are Lethal and the midfield works hard.
No, I don’t believe it will. And if the choice could be boiled down to Keep Amorim or Keep Bruno, the right decision was keeping Bruno. We have known for ages that we are not doing a squad refresh and revamping the entire set up for Amorim. It was clear he had to work with 75% of last year’s squad, even if we had a good transfer window.

And we have not had a good transfer window.
 
Can I ask. Does anyone actually believe his formation will work in the PL? I just can't see it unless the wingbacks are Lethal and the midfield works hard.

Any system CAN work. But it’s harder for it to work well enough, and requires far more precision/perfection for us to get a team to the right level than doing something else. The whole thing just poses the question of - why?
 
Can I ask. Does anyone actually believe his formation will work in the PL? I just can't see it unless the wingbacks are Lethal and the midfield works hard.
Don't see any inherent reason why it can't. But it certainly won't with our squad and the limited moves we can currently make
 
Yes, it was a great performance. Liverpool were still better by any metric available.

Good or great? The metric keeps moving.

One side left that match feeling relieved to get a point. One side left it feeling aggrieved not to leave with all 3.
 
Can I ask. Does anyone actually believe his formation will work in the PL? I just can't see it unless the wingbacks are Lethal and the midfield works hard.
It can. But my suspicion is we wont have him long enough to find out. Unless we turn this transfer window around asap, he is going to struggle and likely get sacked.
 
Because we needed them as well. Not that difficult to see we needed a LWB and Cunha had a decent release clause so was an easy deal to sort.

The striker market isn't exactly flourishing this summer and we're not in a great position for prospective transfers. So getting Cunha and maybe Mbuemo for what is looking more and more like decent prices (Elanga and Kudus less than 10m less than Cunha?) And they actually want to play for us.

That's why we've spent money and not replaced those positions yet.

Yet demonstrably Dorgu has not had much impact on our overall performances.

If Hojlund is as bad as you say then we'd be bidding £70m for a #9 and not for Mbuemo. Let's not pretend that he couldn't do with just buying the one #10 and playing one of Bruno and Amad there.
 
Read the first page. Not a ball kicked and already the misery circle has started again.

Really hope he somehow manages to get these ideas of his to work, there were small glimpses last season of how it can. Unfortunately there were too many moments in games where individual errors and poor decision making cost the team more so than how they were being setup to play.
I did not see these ‘small glimpses’ that youre talking about.

Let’s be real we were truly awful since he took over we can’t sugarcoat that
 
Can I ask. Does anyone actually believe his formation will work in the PL? I just can't see it unless the wingbacks are Lethal and the midfield works hard.
I’ve always said this system will not work unless you have

2 x attacking full backs who offer width.
1 x athletic midfielder who can get all around the pitch (kante esque)
 
Can I ask. Does anyone actually believe his formation will work in the PL? I just can't see it unless the wingbacks are Lethal and the midfield works hard.
I think a team with money to burn and pre-existing depth could make it work. Put Amorim at City or Liverpool and he could do quite well.

Here? I can't see it working. Just on the wingbacks alone. Like you said, they're key. We saw that last season. But unless I'm mistaken, I don't think we've had serious links to any wingbacks this window and even if we did, it's likely we don't have the money. Which means we're likely going into the next season with Dorgu, Mazraoui, Dalot and Amad as our main options there (I'm not counting Shaw). It's just not good enough. You need real quality there, otherwise what's the point in playing with wingbacks?
 
I think a team with money to burn and pre-existing depth could make it work. Put Amorim at City or Liverpool and he could do quite well.

Here? I can't see it working. Just on the wingbacks alone. Like you said, they're key. We saw that last season. But unless I'm mistaken, I don't think we've had serious links to any wingbacks this window and even if we did, it's likely we don't have the money. Which means we're likely going into the next season with Dorgu, Mazraoui, Dalot and Amad as our main options there (I'm not counting Shaw). It's just not good enough. You need real quality there, otherwise what's the point in playing with wingbacks?

Amad was our 2nd best player last season and he will be starting in one of the wingback positions, assuming Mbeumo signs. He is quality. Dorgu will only improve next season too
 
Amad was our 2nd best player last season and he will be starting in one of the wingback positions, assuming Mbeumo signs. He is quality. Dorgu will only improve next season too
Amad is not good at defending and lacks the engine. Dorgu needs to improve by a lot. Our WBs are not top 5 material.
 
Yet demonstrably Dorgu has not had much impact on our overall performances.

If Hojlund is as bad as you say then we'd be bidding £70m for a #9 and not for Mbuemo. Let's not pretend that he couldn't do with just buying the one #10 and playing one of Bruno and Amad there.
Oh no, a 20 year old wasn't able to turn around performances of an entire team underperforming. That means we should never have signed him!

Well, firstly we're not bidding £70m for anyone, are we?

We feel like the only fans who seem.to hate having multiple options in positions. If we were chelsea fans we'd be fuming we signed Pedro after signing Delap.
 
No we did not create enough chances.
Just in the finals we lost

First number is spurs and the second is ours
  • Possession %: 27 — 73
  • Shots: 3 — 16
  • On target: 1 — 6
  • Big chances: 1 — 3
  • Blocked shots: 2 — 4
  • Touches in opposition box: 11 — 39
I felt it’s similar in many of the other games from what I watched. Not all but for sure many. Context also matters most of the chances we created early in the first half when we were 0-0 and if we had the forwards who could finish we would have mostly be able to get few more as the other team has to come out. I know this is could have / would have, but that’s what I feel.
 
Just in the finals we lost

First number is spurs and the second is ours
  • Possession %: 27 — 73
  • Shots: 3 — 16
  • On target: 1 — 6
  • Big chances: 1 — 3
  • Blocked shots: 2 — 4
  • Touches in opposition box: 11 — 39
I felt it’s similar in many of the other games from what I watched. Not all but for sure many. Context also matters most of the chances we created early in the first half when we were 0-0 and if we had the forwards who could finish we would have mostly be able to get few more as the other team has to come out. I know this is could have / would have, but that’s what I feel.
We had 3 shots before Johnson scored in 41st minute and had an XG below 0.2 at half time. The opposite was actually the issue (until the Villa game which was much better and a performance hopefully we see more often), we basically couldn't progress the ball and create chances until we were behind and teams stopped pinning us in so easily.
 
lots of doom and gloom here, and that's totally fine. Just wanted to say that I am optimistic with regards to the season(s) ahead. Evidence of recruiting for the future and setting ourselves up for sustained success in terms of inhouse talent. We go into the new season with a proper pre-season and time to work and embed playing style and movements. And we are getting new players that will be more aligned with how we are playing while letting go those that do not want to be here or represent distracting noise. Doubt we will be top 4 this season, but I am putting it out there and think we will be a proper challenger for top 6. Just my opinion, which is may be different to most of the posters here, and that is fine too. Can't wait for the season to start :)
 
Signing Mbeumo enhances this problem even further though when going to four at the back. While it's questionable if Amad is a WB, he absolutely isn't a FB

Ofcourse a squad can only have 1 player in each position right?
 
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