Ruben Amorim | 2025-26

Hojlund was/is not the answer to our goal-scoring issues.
If he came back tomorrow, he'd be once again scoring 1 goal every 5 games.
He simply isn't good enough.

Maybe because Amorim would have him tussling with defenders and trying to play like Mick Harford.

I think KDBs comments were a dig at how Hojlund was used at United under Amorim....

De Bruyne "Hojlund has a lot of quality and as a striker you need that smell of goals. He is growing a lot and is very similar to Haaland. They both like to attack the depth. Maybe Hojlund drops deep more, but I think he needs to attack the space a lot because he can score and give us a big hand."

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Maybe because Amorim would have him tussling with defenders and trying to play like Mick Harford.

I think KDBs comments were a dig at how Hojlund was used at United under Amorim....

De Bruyne "Hojlund has a lot of quality and as a striker you need that smell of goals. He is growing a lot and is very similar to Haaland. They both like to attack the depth. Maybe Hojlund drops deep more, but I think he needs to attack the space a lot because he can score and give us a big hand."

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Amorim only knows how to play one way. So it’s not surprising players are finding themselves elsewhere
 
Maybe because Amorim would have him tussling with defenders and trying to play like Mick Harford.

I think KDBs comments were a dig at how Hojlund was used at United under Amorim....

De Bruyne "Hojlund has a lot of quality and as a striker you need that smell of goals. He is growing a lot and is very similar to Haaland. They both like to attack the depth. Maybe Hojlund drops deep more, but I think he needs to attack the space a lot because he can score and give us a big hand."

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/?f=flair_name:"Quotes"
I don’t think KDB has any intention to take a dig at us. He seems just make an honest suggestion to Hojlund to trust him to provide the service, thus focusing in making the run more often.
 
Well you also thought we scored a penalty vs Fulham so it's safe to assume you're not a details kinda fan.


For full clarification i'm part of the Amorim out camp and agree that this system + reliance on players like Shaw/Maguire/Dalot along with playing Bruno in a deep CM role is terrible on paper and in practice. His outright refusal thus far to change is a major reason I want him gone. My initial post in this chain was responding to a poster who said something like "last year everyone told us our attackers were terrible so we spent 200m, what's the excuse now". My response to anyone making that type of argument is that our attackers last season were indeed terrible, did need replacing and our signings are considerable upgrades. All evidenced by the actual attacking metrics which some are eager to downplay.

If Amorim did what most fans are asking for, which is playing a 4-2-3-1 with Mainoo alongside Ugarte/Casemiro and Bruno at the 10 with Cunha-Sesko-Mbeumo then I think we'd be a far better team.

The forward players we signed this summer are a big upgrade on last year however the team is just as bad if not worse defensively since none of those issues were addressed in the transfer market and Amorim refuses to change which in my opinion is evidence as to why he should be sacked, both of these things can be true at the same time.
I honestly don't know if these players would perform better in 4-2-3-1 or properly coached/set-up 3-4-3 but what I believe in is:
1. If he selects the same shit players, we will still be shit even in 4-3-3
2. If he selected better players, and sold Bruno, used that money to reinforce midfield and got a good goalkeeper, we could be MUCH better even in his beloved 3-4-3
3. He will never change 3-4-3 so the only thing we can be angry at is - people who brought him, if we hate 3-4-3. We also can and should be mad at him for being such stubborn dickhead and unable to even implement good 3-4-3
 
Maybe because Amorim would have him tussling with defenders and trying to play like Mick Harford.

I think KDBs comments were a dig at how Hojlund was used at United under Amorim....

De Bruyne "Hojlund has a lot of quality and as a striker you need that smell of goals. He is growing a lot and is very similar to Haaland. They both like to attack the depth. Maybe Hojlund drops deep more, but I think he needs to attack the space a lot because he can score and give us a big hand."

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/?f=flair_name:"Quotes"
I mean the guy has been playing wrestling in EPL since his first season before Amorim.
 
I don’t think KDB has any intention to take a dig at us. He seems just make an honest suggestion to Hojlund to trust him to provide the service, thus focusing in making the run more often.
Yeah not everything has to be a dig at us. He’s bigging up his new teammate.
 
Laurie Whitwell of The Athletic on today's podcast

- Based on his sources, even a loss to Sunderland wouldn't be the end of Ruben Amorim

- Ratcliffe is the ultimate decision maker and wants to give Amorim the full season

- Decisions are made in consultation with Berrada, Wilcox, and Joel Glazer

- Ultimately, the club are saying they are taking the long term view on Amorim and won't be swayed by single matches in isolation

- The backing is there for Amorim. They're with him and want to support him through this



That's the dreaded word of confidence. He is done.
 
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Maybe because Amorim would have him tussling with defenders and trying to play like Mick Harford.

I think KDBs comments were a dig at how Hojlund was used at United under Amorim....

De Bruyne "Hojlund has a lot of quality and as a striker you need that smell of goals. He is growing a lot and is very similar to Haaland. They both like to attack the depth. Maybe Hojlund drops deep more, but I think he needs to attack the space a lot because he can score and give us a big hand."

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/?f=flair_name:"Quotes"
Don’t forget in his first season he scored a lot of goals in Europe for us too.

The fact is he was rubbish last season.

Let’s hope he continues, we need that fee.

As far as Ruben goes, he’ll get to after Brighton.

No point in bringing in a new man pre Liverpool, we need a bounce and that might do more damage than good.

So from a club perspective might as well keep him on until November to save the 12 million quid.
Us fans might not like it but it was this week just gone or November. Let’s hope we spend the 12million on Glasner.
 
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Don’t forget in his first season he scored a lot of goals in Europe for us too.

The fact is he was rubbish last season.

Let’s hope he continues, we need that fee.

As far as Ruben goes, he’ll get to after Brighton.

No point in bringing in a new man pre Liverpool, we need a bounce and that might do more damage than good.

So from a club perspective might as well keep him on until November to save the 12 million quid.
Us fans might not like it but it was this week just gone or November. Let’s hope we spend the 12million on Glasner.
Is there anything that says £12m drops to zero though? Surely there's still some payment after November? Just that it won't be as high as 12?

Unless Amorim's negotiation style is as ridiculous as the playing style!
 
Bit of a hypothetical for you guys.
Had we had a capable goalkeeper between the sticks rather than Onana/Bayendir, is it conceivable that, with the exact same performances and everything else being equal, we d have about 10 + points during the Amorim reign?

So, in this hypothetical scenario, we d hve finished last season closer to 10th, and would be a few points better off this season. This would still leave Amorim with the worst record as a United manager, but then he took over a struggling team in 13th place mid season, and is making them play a style / formation they re really unsuited for and havent yet adapted to.

Football is a game of fine margins, and having a liability in the team every week can be a very heavy burden to carry for a team ALREADY on a downwards trajectory in ETH s last couple of seasons. To be fair to Amorim, before beating him with the Lamens stick, it was widely reported he wanted Emiliano Martinez for his experience.

Also, not sure it was Amorim's choice to keep Bruno. I genuinely think its more likely Bruno wanted to push forward the move till next year, and everything else is pure PR bull. The club, imo, covered for him because there is absolutely no reason to make the fan base turn on your captain. And, as our captain, biggest presence in the lokcer rooms and best player, he has to play every week or he might turn on the manager, making his position untenable.

All of this is pure conjecture, but would justify INEOS giving Amorim a lot of leeway.


Also, last point, under Ten haag, we were a completely different team when Martinez was in the team, hence the 5 position drop in the first season he missed, and 5 more in the follozing season before ETH being fired. His ability to progress the ball consistently is something none of our other CBs are even close to being able to do.
 
Forest fans losing their shit after 23 days, wanting Ange out already, what fickle glory hunters! Imagine how they’ll be in 11 months. Let’s show them how real fans something something something, Amorim, pain before it gets better, something something.
 
Bit of a hypothetical for you guys.
Had we had a capable goalkeeper between the sticks rather than Onana/Bayendir, is it conceivable that, with the exact same performances and everything else being equal, we d have about 10 + points during the Amorim reign?

So, in this hypothetical scenario, we d hve finished last season closer to 10th, and would be a few points better off this season. This would still leave Amorim with the worst record as a United manager, but then he took over a struggling team in 13th place mid season, and is making them play a style / formation they re really unsuited for and havent yet adapted to.

Football is a game of fine margins, and having a liability in the team every week can be a very heavy burden to carry for a team ALREADY on a downwards trajectory in ETH s last couple of seasons. To be fair to Amorim, before beating him with the Lamens stick, it was widely reported he wanted Emiliano Martinez for his experience.

Also, not sure it was Amorim's choice to keep Bruno. I genuinely think its more likely Bruno wanted to push forward the move till next year, and everything else is pure PR bull. The club, imo, covered for him because there is absolutely no reason to make the fan base turn on your captain. And, as our captain, biggest presence in the lokcer rooms and best player, he has to play every week or he might turn on the manager, making his position untenable.

All of this is pure conjecture, but would justify INEOS giving Amorim a lot of leeway.


Also, last point, under Ten haag, we were a completely different team when Martinez was in the team, hence the 5 position drop in the first season he missed, and 5 more in the follozing season before ETH being fired. His ability to progress the ball consistently is something none of our other CBs are even close to being able to do.

Ten hag was 8th even with onana and no Martinez.
 
Laurie Whitwell of The Athletic on today's podcast

- Based on his sources, even a loss to Sunderland wouldn't be the end of Ruben Amorim

- Ratcliffe is the ultimate decision maker and wants to give Amorim the full season

- Decisions are made in consultation with Berrada, Wilcox, and Joel Glazer

- Ultimately, the club are saying they are taking the long term view on Amorim and won't be swayed by single matches in isolation

- The backing is there for Amorim. They're with him and want to support him through this




Statements like giving a manager a ''full season to judge them'', is a bit silly. If we're sitting 15-16th in a month's time I'm fairly certain he won't see out the season. Even beyond that if we were in the bottom 3 at Xmas, no one would really think they'd still wait until may to pull the trigger.

Though I am starting to get the impression they will let this drag on and fester like they did with Ten Hag until after this next International break. Which is almost certainly a mistake.
 
Bit of a hypothetical for you guys.
Had we had a capable goalkeeper between the sticks rather than Onana/Bayendir, is it conceivable that, with the exact same performances and everything else being equal, we d have about 10 + points during the Amorim reign?

So, in this hypothetical scenario, we d hve finished last season closer to 10th, and would be a few points better off this season. This would still leave Amorim with the worst record as a United manager, but then he took over a struggling team in 13th place mid season, and is making them play a style / formation they re really unsuited for and havent yet adapted to.

Football is a game of fine margins, and having a liability in the team every week can be a very heavy burden to carry for a team ALREADY on a downwards trajectory in ETH s last couple of seasons. To be fair to Amorim, before beating him with the Lamens stick, it was widely reported he wanted Emiliano Martinez for his experience.

Also, not sure it was Amorim's choice to keep Bruno. I genuinely think its more likely Bruno wanted to push forward the move till next year, and everything else is pure PR bull. The club, imo, covered for him because there is absolutely no reason to make the fan base turn on your captain. And, as our captain, biggest presence in the lokcer rooms and best player, he has to play every week or he might turn on the manager, making his position untenable.

All of this is pure conjecture, but would justify INEOS giving Amorim a lot of leeway.


Also, last point, under Ten haag, we were a completely different team when Martinez was in the team, hence the 5 position drop in the first season he missed, and 5 more in the follozing season before ETH being fired. His ability to progress the ball consistently is something none of our other CBs are even close to being able to do.
Amorim has been in charge for 49 matches, 49. That is not about fine margins, luck evens out of a longer period. These fantasy alternative realities are nonsense, as the whole nature of subsequent events can change. Bruno scoring a penalty does mean we win a game, as who know what might happed after that. What we do know is actual results of games that actually happened.
 
Statements like giving a manager a ''full season to judge them'', is a bit silly. If we're sitting 15-16th in a month's time I'm fairly certain he won't see out the season. Even beyond that if we were in the bottom 3 at Xmas, no one would really think they'd still wait until may to pull the trigger.

Though I am starting to get the impression they will let this drag on and fester like they did with Ten Hag until after this next International break. Which is almost certainly a mistake.
Which is why it’s all rubbish, leaking ‘if he loses next 3’, just creates pressure and gives the players an out to down tools.

You have to leak that it’s all being backed otherwise it’s basically game over.
 
So Laurie Whitwell confirming the earlier reports that following a meeting with Ratcliffe, Amorim was apparently issued an ultimatum of European qualification as a minimum to keep his job.

Seemed like everyone was just ignoring this as they just didn't want to accept the reality that Ineos were actually not looking to sack him, but in fact were backing him.
I've already resigned myself to this theory as it saves getting unnecessarily worked up to find he's still here, the day after each shit performance/result.
Looks like a few more are now starting to buy into the possibility that there maybe truth in the reports.

This might also explain Amorim's relatively relaxed, almost bullish attitude in pressers and interviews.
It's not just a show of false bravado, but a sign of confidence, knowing that they've given him assurances behind the scenes, that until it's mathematically impossible to get into Europe by finishing 6th/7th, he's safe, so that's more or less, the rest of the season.

To play devil's advocate, the current team is realistically where it should be... 2W 1D 3L after 6 games. You could swap the Chelsea result with either the Fulham or Brentford games. 3pts against Sunderland puts us right back in the chasing pack.

So in Ineos's blinkered eyes, we aren't as fecked as everybody says we are and in fact have been rather "unlucky' and that our fortunes are going to start to change, any game now.

Call it Blind faith, deludedness, denial, whatever,...Jim believes! even when Spooky Mulder has called the whole thing a hoax.

Either they're truly sticking to a "long term plan" in giving Amorim a proper full season to see if for all the talk, he can actually walk the walk!
Whilst also giving themselves more time/options to choose a replacement.
(C'mon Glasner, keep it up till the summer!)

...Or they don't trust their own contingency plan, so are just delaying and dithering, the indecisive, incompetent bastards.

They have more faith in Amorim than they do in themselves, who in turn, has seemingly given up on himself.

We're a rudderless ship in a stormy waters, grab a hold of something it's gonna be a bumpy ride!
You missed the real reason he will stay in the job far too long - arse covering, the senior people at the club staked their reputations on the amorim appointment and are desperately hoping it works it for that reason. They would rather piss away the season than admit they were wrong
 
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Don’t forget in his first season he scored a lot of goals in Europe for us too.

The fact is he was rubbish last season.

Let’s hope he continues, we need that fee.

As far as Ruben goes, he’ll get to after Brighton.

No point in bringing in a new man pre Liverpool, we need a bounce and that might do more damage than good.

So from a club perspective might as well keep him on until November to save the 12 million quid.
Us fans might not like it but it was this week just gone or November. Let’s hope we spend the 12million on Glasner.
Oh the 12m quid thing again, is there any source to suggest that is even a thing rather than a rumour?
 
Amorim has been in charge for 49 matches, 49. That is not about fine margins, luck evens out of a longer period. These fantasy alternative realities are nonsense, as the whole nature of subsequent events can change. Bruno scoring a penalty does mean we win a game, as who know what might happed after that. What we do know is actual results of games that actually happened.
Things are so bad that even in a hypothetical dream world we would have only finished 10th last season
 
Forest fans losing their shit after 23 days, wanting Ange out already, what fickle glory hunters! Imagine how they’ll be in 11 months. Let’s show them how real fans something something something, Amorim, pain before it gets better, something something.
They were losing their shit from day one. It has more to do with Forest fans being pissed that Nuno was unfairly sacked.
 
Maybe because Amorim would have him tussling with defenders and trying to play like Mick Harford.

I think KDBs comments were a dig at how Hojlund was used at United under Amorim....

De Bruyne "Hojlund has a lot of quality and as a striker you need that smell of goals. He is growing a lot and is very similar to Haaland. They both like to attack the depth. Maybe Hojlund drops deep more, but I think he needs to attack the space a lot because he can score and give us a big hand."

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/?f=flair_name:"Quotes"
It’s got nothing to do with us. Pretty sure Utd doesn’t even come into KDB’s thoughts after playing a CL game.
 
Maybe because Amorim would have him tussling with defenders and trying to play like Mick Harford.

I think KDBs comments were a dig at how Hojlund was used at United under Amorim....

De Bruyne "Hojlund has a lot of quality and as a striker you need that smell of goals. He is growing a lot and is very similar to Haaland. They both like to attack the depth. Maybe Hojlund drops deep more, but I think he needs to attack the space a lot because he can score and give us a big hand."

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/?f=flair_name:"Quotes"
He did this bollocks under ten hag too
 

Bit of a hypothetical for you guys.
Had we had a capable goalkeeper between the sticks rather than Onana/Bayendir, is it conceivable that, with the exact same performances and everything else being equal, we d have about 10 + points during the Amorim reign?

So, in this hypothetical scenario, we d hve finished last season closer to 10th, and would be a few points better off this season. This would still leave Amorim with the worst record as a United manager, but then he took over a struggling team in 13th place mid season, and is making them play a style / formation they re really unsuited for and havent yet adapted to.

Football is a game of fine margins, and having a liability in the team every week can be a very heavy burden to carry for a team ALREADY on a downwards trajectory in ETH s last couple of seasons. To be fair to Amorim, before beating him with the Lamens stick, it was widely reported he wanted Emiliano Martinez for his experience.

Also, not sure it was Amorim's choice to keep Bruno. I genuinely think its more likely Bruno wanted to push forward the move till next year, and everything else is pure PR bull. The club, imo, covered for him because there is absolutely no reason to make the fan base turn on your captain. And, as our captain, biggest presence in the lokcer rooms and best player, he has to play every week or he might turn on the manager, making his position untenable.

All of this is pure conjecture, but would justify INEOS giving Amorim a lot of leeway.


Also, last point, under Ten haag, we were a completely different team when Martinez was in the team, hence the 5 position drop in the first season he missed, and 5 more in the follozing season before ETH being fired. His ability to progress the ball consistently is something none of our other CBs are even close to being able to do.
Undoubtedly, we would be having different discussions had we a better choice of keepers. But he didn’t do anything to protect the weak issues in the side. He didn’t change his system to support slow CBs and GKs who were useless at corners.
We would still be talking about players being played out of position and a system that needs creative and brilliant WBs to flourish yet we use players who can’t create, pass well or score.
The system is flawed without 4/5 absolute specialists which we don’t have. He needs to adapt this system or he’s gone.
 
I’d ima
Is there anything that says £12m drops to zero though? Surely there's still some payment after November? Just that it won't be as high as 12?

Unless Amorim's negotiation style is as ridiculous as the playing style!
I’d imagine it will at least half. Who knows, 2 to 5 million is better than 12.
 
Whitwell reporting the same lines as earlier in the week that Sir Jim wants to give Amorim the full season:


️ @lauriewhitwell on if Amorim will be sacked if he lost to Sunderland:

"From speaking to people, even if United lost to Sunderland, I DON'T think it would be the end for Ruben Amorim.

Speaking with people this week, getting the same information that’s already been reported - Sir Jim Ratcliffe is the ultimate decision maker on this, really. He’d take recommendations from Omar Berrarda and Jason Wilcox, and the Glazers, Joel Glazer specifically, would have an opinion.

Ratcliffe is the one who’ll decide and I’m told he wants to give Amorim the FULL season. It’s a new squad, to a degree, it’s the coach trying to get his methods across even more so. We can debate if that’s the right choice or not, but that’s the current messaging from the very top with Sir Jim Ratcliffe."

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This is ominous on many levels isn't it
 
Hard disagree. None of us know how long the rebuild will take with Amorim, how long it would take with Iraola, how long it would take with anyone. The rebuild is done when we are competing again, and none of us know how long that will take. I’m not saying hiring him was even the right choice, he wasn’t my first choice or even in my thought process at the time. But I do believe that many conversations were probably had with regards to how to proceed, so the club and those who are paid to make these decisions, decided Amorim was the best choice. Obviously there’s always the “what if it doesn’t work out?” factor with every hire. But through data analysis, expert opinion and many conversations on the subject, they likely tried to mitigate that by pushing for the guy they believed was the best choice in the long run.

Most people can think what they want. After ETHs last season I wouldn’t have had any confidence in us finishing top half. His signings have set us back years and even he couldn’t get a tune out of his expensively assembled squad. What hope did the next guy have? And when you look at the mistakes leading to goals, the missed chances, the poor decision making, the squad composition etc this season, the proof is there.

By no means am I trying to tell you or anyone that Amorim is the right man or that he should be kept on. I think if he doesn’t do something big very soon then he’ll rightly be sacked, but there’s a lot of context behind this that many are ignoring. And when the next guy plays Mainoo, Ugarte and Bruno in CM, and can’t control a game or still gets run through at will, or the players put in a great performance one week and look half asleep the next, then perhaps people will realise that.
But you said it yourself, they were reluctant to hire Amorim at first because the squad would need a major overhaul to play the way he wants (or perhaps the only way he knows?). It’s reasonable to assume that the transition to a rebuild would likely be smoother under a manager who could work with the squad we have/had. In that context, Amorim is the worst hire possible.

You can crap on Ten Hag as much as you want and claim how lucky he was but we were never even close to this low under him and he had a worse squad with a lot more injuries. Without his and Ruud's points things last season would somehow look even more grim.

We will have to agree to disagree. Absolutely nothing from the way they went about replacing Ten Hag with Amorim resembles a well thought out plan to me. After interviewing several candidates they extended Ten Hag's contract only to do a complete 180 after less than 10 games and hire a guy with as different play style as it gets mid season. It just screams to me of Berrada thinking he found the next Pep and the club going all in on it.
 
Well for any club that's considering a sack there's always one game that's pivotal in swaying the decision, I don't think that's unreasonable.

I can get that if it’s pivotal in sacking a manager. A single game should never influence a decision to keep him. We did it once and it backfired, Spurs showed us how it’s done a year later when they fired Ange in spite of a EL victory and immediately improved with a new manager.
 
I can get that if it’s pivotal in sacking a manager. A single game should never influence a decision to keep him. We did it once and it backfired, Spurs showed us how it’s done a year later when they fired Ange in spite of a EL victory and immediately improved with a new manager.

In any sacking there's always going to be a game that pulls the trigger where enough is enough. I'm sure there's growing sentiment outside of this fixture though and whenever the axe falls it would be for a multitude of reasons.
 
For me Amorim may or may not be a good manager but the facts remain that the amount of quality managers out there is appalling. Just look at the alternatives out there. Nothing proven and nothing really exciting for any big established club. This is symptomatic of a wider problem of the game lacking real characters on and off the pitch from just 10-20 years ago.
I simply wouldn't know who we would replace him with. I guess you have to strike lucky. I doubt the upper management have any confidence on a potential replacement. Prizes remain the same, and clubs have to win them, but as rooney mentioned on the BBC today, both players and managers are lacking quality these days.
We all as fans got excited when we hired van gaal, mourinho, ten hag and Amorim but the latter two being the new breed have proven nothing.
 
If SJR really wants to give Amorim the full season then he's even worse than the Glazers, 10 times worse that is. At this rate we'll be in relegation battle soon.
 
Which is why it’s all rubbish, leaking ‘if he loses next 3’, just creates pressure and gives the players an out to down tools.

You have to leak that it’s all being backed otherwise it’s basically game over.

Yep, they were doing the same last season with Ten Hag, he had the clubs full backing in September yet was gone 5-6 weeks later. You can't just give a manger a full season to see how he gets on, and then judge him at the end. They'll have a goal in mind for this season (I recall Berrada saying top 6) if we don't look like we're heading in that direction then a decision will be made.
 
Whitwell reporting the same lines as earlier in the week that Sir Jim wants to give Amorim the full season:


️ @lauriewhitwell on if Amorim will be sacked if he lost to Sunderland:

"From speaking to people, even if United lost to Sunderland, I DON'T think it would be the end for Ruben Amorim.

Speaking with people this week, getting the same information that’s already been reported - Sir Jim Ratcliffe is the ultimate decision maker on this, really. He’d take recommendations from Omar Berrarda and Jason Wilcox, and the Glazers, Joel Glazer specifically, would have an opinion.

Ratcliffe is the one who’ll decide and I’m told he wants to give Amorim the FULL season. It’s a new squad, to a degree, it’s the coach trying to get his methods across even more so. We can debate if that’s the right choice or not, but that’s the current messaging from the very top with Sir Jim Ratcliffe."

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