Ruben Amorim | 2025-26

Glasner has the right personnel, Amorim doesn't. They said it in the video, Utds problem is central midfield and lack of quality in that position.

Take Will Hughes and Adam Wharton and put them in CM for us and it's an improvement on any combo of Casemiro/Ugarte/Mainoo/Bruno.

Problem for Glasner is that he couldn't play the same way Palace play with Utd as Palace have so little possession (amongst the lowest in the league). That's very peak Mourinho football, i.e. less possession is good.
This is to fundamentally misinterpret a few things. Firstly and key, Glasner chose a system to get the best out of the players he has. He is not wedded to 3 at the back and has played versions of 433. He felt for Palace and the squad, the 3 works. He has also improved players so they look good in the system, despite having lost some key players. Has Amorim improved anyone? Finally, the videos posted here focus on more deference, generally Glasner asks his CMs to cover less ground than Amorim, overall they hold their positions more and also when in possession they are more often involved in the build ups, whereas Amorim wants the ball forward first to 10s or longer to the CF (as we saw a lot vs Sunderland), then on occasion the lay off back to the CMs who are now pushing forward. Glasner makes his players look better because he plays a formation to suit their strengths, is more flexible in the system that this formation uses, and has improved the players at his disposal. All three factors that are in contrast to Amorim.

Also, our squad is better than Palaces, by some distance. Lets stop constantly blaming the players for the obvious shortcomings of the managers, both this one and the last. And yes we can improve our CMs and hopefully will soon. But that is not the key point here.
 
Glasner plays according to his squad, that's the thing. He adapts his tactics to suit his players, like a smart manager.
He would play differently if he had others players.
Spot on, I just made this point before seeing your post. Amorim seems to have brainwashed half the fan base and Ratcliffe that he has the secret sauce to success, just give him another £250m and 2 years or something. But any decent manager works with what he has, looks to improve them and finds the best system for that to happen. And yes both the personnel and system can evolve, its not set in stone. The lack of flexibility and also failure to improve players points to some fundamental shortcomings in Amorim.
 
We are in a weird halfway house, we have more possession, teams allow us to have more possession because we have no control in midfield nor the ability to patiently break teams down.

We've all said it, the journos agree. The central midfield needs fixing. I'd say it can't wait till next summer. Bring at least 1 x CM in this January. Whoever that is.

We haven't had a controlling midfield since Carrick retired back in 2018.
Agreed, opposing teams are also very happy to allow Dorgu and Dalot a lot of possession. Lack of quality WBs is another reason why Amorim is struggling.
 
Glasner has the right personnel, Amorim doesn't. They said it in the video, Utds problem is central midfield and lack of quality in that position.

Take Will Hughes and Adam Wharton and put them in CM for us and it's an improvement on any combo of Casemiro/Ugarte/Mainoo/Bruno.

Problem for Glasner is that he couldn't play the same way Palace play with Utd as Palace have so little possession (amongst the lowest in the league). That's very peak Mourinho football, i.e. less possession is good.
Will Hughes :lol:
 
Spot on, I just made this point before seeing your post. Amorim seems to have brainwashed half the fan base and Ratcliffe that he has the secret sauce to success, just give him another £250m and 2 years or something. But any decent manager works with what he has, looks to improve them and finds the best system for that to happen. And yes both the personnel and system can evolve, its not set in stone. The lack of flexibility and also failure to improve players points to some fundamental shortcomings in Amorim.
Amazing really that he could come in and say we are going to suffer for the better part of a season, losing out on Europe in the process, instead of adapting and then perhaps settling in his magic system in the coming pre-season with some signings. And the board let him.
My young kids can be stubborn but this is a whole new level, dragging the club, players and fanbase down with him.
 
Wish the Amorim out brigade could stop with their Agenda until the end of the season. He wont get sacked with ineos in charge and will get one whole season at least. Just watch the process and come back in may.
 
You bench one of Cunha/Bryan M, start Bruno as a 10 and Kobbie and Case in midfield. We instantly start winning a ton more games.

Bruno is not suited at all to play in a midfield two. Its not his fault either, he’s among the best in the world at what he does, but playing him in a 2 is just not right.
 
You bench one of Cunha/Bryan M, start Bruno as a 10 and Kobbie and Case in midfield. We instantly start winning a ton more games.

Bruno is not suited at all to play in a midfield two. Its not his fault either, he’s among the best in the world at what he does, but playing him in a 2 is just not right.
Bruno was better in the midfield two last season than he was when playing as a wide #10. He was on track to have his worst season since joining until he started playing regularly in the deeper position.

He doesn't really suit either position particularly well, but based on last season he's better in midfield than the wide #10 (which is quite different than his previous central #10 position).
 
Wish the Amorim out brigade could stop with their Agenda until the end of the season. He wont get sacked with ineos in charge and will get one whole season at least. Just watch the process and come back in may.
If he loses the next 6 games on the bounce and we're sat in the relegation zone in December, Ineos will almost certainly sack him. Their long-term patience will have limits. Ratcliffe will not risk the possibility of being the owner who allowed Manchester United to get relegated.
 
If he loses the next 6 games on the bounce and we're sat in the relegation zone in December, Ineos will almost certainly sack him. Their long-term patience will have limits. Ratcliffe will not risk the possibility of being the owner who allowed Manchester United to get relegated.

The relegation debate is cynical. 6 losses on the bounce wont happen. Just accept that he will be here until the end of the season and support him/the team.
 
The relegation debate is cynical. 6 losses on the bounce wont happen. Just accept that he will be here until the end of the season and support him/the team.
The guy has got 33 points from his first 34 games. A record comparable with Steve Kean at Blackburn. The relegation debate really isn't that cynical.

And in 2 of those other 5 wins, we relied on the opposition going down to 10 men before we opened the scoring :lol: but apparently 6 losses on the bounce between now and January isn't a possibility...
 
Why are people taking Ratcliffe's words seriously, did i miss something?? Amorim would be gone if come January we are still sitting on 14th or finished the season w/o european football again. I have no doubt about that.

The relegation debate is cynical. 6 losses on the bounce wont happen. Just accept that he will be here until the end of the season and support him/the team.

Just curious when amorim first took over did you really think hed take us to finish 15th?
 
Forget about last year. No other team gets judged by the results of last season. He took over a total disaster of a team midseason and got a free shot using the time to get his system into the players. I think he knew that the material he had wasnt good enough for his system to work but he decided that it would be better for the long term to stay true to his principles and so we lost many games. We started the Season quite ok, if we score the two pens we win against fulham and Brentford and have 14 pts and are 3rd. We will never get relegated or loose 6 games in a row. We can gladly bet on this
 
I'm old enough to remember hearing these same sentiments in 1973
It’s a very different game now though, with the financial disparity. If we were staring down the barrel with 10 games to go, we could appoint an Ole type, play a simple system and get enough points to avoid the drop.

It is, however, utterly laughable that it’s even a topic of conversation. Shows how far we’ve fallen.
 
The relegation debate is cynical. 6 losses on the bounce wont happen. Just accept that he will be here until the end of the season and support him/the team.
Amorim is tactically inflexible and cowardly when put under pressure. From the past year of his tenure, I've seen no indication that he's the right man to be our manager and see no reason to continue this until the inevitable happens.
 
Will Hughes :lol:

We're at the stage where people pretend to be envious of players like Will Hughes to defend the poor job the manager is doing with the tools at his disposal. No one was talking about Will Hughes as anything prior to Glasner but now he's a special player that makes the system work and our poor manager has not been provided with anyone close to his quality in midfield.

Forget about last year. No other team gets judged by the results of last season. He took over a total disaster of a team midseason and got a free shot using the time to get his system into the players. I think he knew that the material he had wasnt good enough for his system to work but he decided that it would be better for the long term to stay true to his principles and so we lost many games. We started the Season quite ok, if we score the two pens we win against fulham and Brentford and have 14 pts and are 3rd. We will never get relegated or loose 6 games in a row. We can gladly bet on this

What nonsense! Every club gets judged by the results of the previous season. Liverpool are title favourites because of last season, the newly promoted clubs are faves to go down because they were not in the league last season, Arsenal are expected to challenge because of their position of previous seasons. If last season doesn't count, why do we expect to lose to Liverpool? Why was losing 0-1 to Arsenal so highly praised? The fact they performed well last season doesn't mean anything.

A new season doesn't reset everything, no one acts like they have no clue how every team is going to perform going into the new season because last season didn't count. We sold players because of their performance last season, so why should their performance matter and have consequences but not the managers?
 
We're at the stage where people pretend to be envious of players like Will Hughes to defend the poor job the manager is doing with the tools at his disposal. No one was talking about Will Hughes as anything prior to Glasner but now he's a special player that makes the system work and our poor manager has not been provided with anyone close to his quality in midfield.
It truly is a sight to behold.
 
"Forget about last season" is fine if the team's results have improved in the current.

But if the team's results are on the same trend as last season, then last season's results are very much relevant, as they are a continuation of that trend that we cannot forget or ignore.

So far this season, there has been a slight improvement in terms of points per game ratio, 10 from 7 games, and some decent performances at home, albeit with a few caveats: playing newly promoted teams, playing against 10 men etc. But the away performances and results have been terrible, no sign of improvement there.

The next 6 games there is nowhere to hide for Ruben. No newly promoted clubs, 6 established PL teams with experienced managers. Ironically the only manager of that lot who hasn't beaten Ruben is Slot!
 
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Just accept that he will be here until the end of the season and support him/the team.
This is the average headless United fan perfectly summed up:

Just accept that the person you think/know is doing an awful job will not be sacked, and support them instead.

That is really what you're trying to convince people to do.

Now just imagine how utterly insane this statement would be if it were about any other boss in any of our actual workplaces.
It's like acknowledging that the current boss of any company is making the company underperform, but that we should instead just actively support him because the owners want to keep him. What? Anyone going along with such a suggestion are themselves guilty of harming the company.

No wonder our club is in the dumps.
It's not just the Glazers. So many of our fans are equally happy to see us go down the drain because they believe lowering our standards equals supporting the lads on the pitch. By lowering the standards and singing his name, you are showing our owners that drastically underperforming will be tolerated. Heck, it will be encouraged.

What is going on?
 
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This is the average headless United fan perfectly summed up:

Just accept that the person you think/know is doing an awful job will not be sacked, and support them instead.

That is really what you're trying to convince people to do.


Now just imagine how utterly insane this statement would be if it were about any other boss in any of our actual workplaces.
It's like acknowledging that the current boss of any company is making the company underperform, but that we should instead just actively support him because the owners want to keep him. What? Anyone going along with such a suggestion are themselves guilty of harming the company.

No wonder our club is in the dumps.
It's not just the Glazers. So many of our fans are equally happy to see us go down the drain because they believe lowering our standards equals supporting the lads on the pitch. By lowering the standards and singing his name, you are showing our owners that drastically underperforming will be tolerated. Heck, it will be encouraged.

What is going on?
It’s just gaslighting at this point.

Every one of us supported him when he was brought in. Almost a year in, we have seen nothing but the club continuing to remain in shambles. Losing three times to Spurs including that horrific cup final. And we still can’t beat a half decent team even in the new season. We need them to be 10 men otherwise.

At some point you start to see that this doesn’t seem to be going anywhere but the usual top red suspects would just come out of their caves and spout this “support mediocrity” nonsense. I would ignore it tbh. My agenda is betterment of this club, not its employees.
 
Forget about last year. No other team gets judged by the results of last season. He took over a total disaster of a team midseason and got a free shot using the time to get his system into the players. I think he knew that the material he had wasnt good enough for his system to work but he decided that it would be better for the long term to stay true to his principles and so we lost many games. We started the Season quite ok, if we score the two pens we win against fulham and Brentford and have 14 pts and are 3rd. We will never get relegated or loose 6 games in a row. We can gladly bet on this
If you want the "Amorim out brigade" as you called it to cool down then you as a member of the "Amorim in brigade" should know better than to bait with posts like this.
Of course last season counts, that's why European competitions come in to place, relegations, we sell or buy players bases on last season.
He took over last year and made it even worse, that takes talent.
 
Was watching the Klopp documentary at Liverpool and what he said even when they struggled a bit initially.

Why couldnt we get someone like that. Such a positive mindset.
 
Was watching the Klopp documentary at Liverpool and what he said even when they struggled a bit initially.

Why couldnt we get someone like that. Such a positive mindset.
What did he say? Except for using the word “suffering” I thought he was saying the same things as Amorim to the public. Stuff like it’ll take four years to win something.

The difference is not in the speaking. It’s on the pitch. He’s a very good coach who could get his ideas across to the players in good time.
 
Forget about last year. No other team gets judged by the results of last season. He took over a total disaster of a team midseason and got a free shot using the time to get his system into the players. I think he knew that the material he had wasnt good enough for his system to work but he decided that it would be better for the long term to stay true to his principles and so we lost many games. We started the Season quite ok, if we score the two pens we win against fulham and Brentford and have 14 pts and are 3rd. We will never get relegated or loose 6 games in a row. We can gladly bet on this
This kind of post is insane. Plenty of others have replied to say of course last season counts. It wasnt a disaster when he took over but it was by the end of the season thats for sure. All good managers work with what they have and make them better. Glasner is a great example. Glasner is not a 3 at the back manager but adapted to the situation and thought what would work best, exactly what Amorim should have done. Posters bang on about Amorim's 'principles' likes he's early LVG at Ajax or some kind of political dissident in an oppressive regime. He has no principles, he simply has one very rigid system and want change it at all, even when losing a game with 3 minutes to go. Unlike every other top manager in the top leagues who adapt all the time. That's not principles its just stubbornness bordering on stupidity.
 
I know he wont do it but I would love to see him try a new formation with the same players just once. And before you come at me with “those formations haven’t worked for us with previous managers” statements please let me know how many remaining players we have from that time. I count 4 starters.
And those formations actually worked for previous managers. Mourinho, Ole, and Ten Hag all had very strong seasons here.
 
And those formations actually worked for previous managers. Mourinho, Ole, and Ten Hag all had very strong seasons here.
Agreed, people talk about formations as if the numbers arranged on a white board tell the fully story. There are lots of different systems and tactical approaches possibly in every formation, that depends on the coach. And then of course the actual coach can make a huge difference in terms of improving the players at their disposal. But now we are pretty much unique in the PL (Ange being probably the other exception) with a manager who only has one system and so needs a load of players to suit that. Only at United is the manager seemingly needed to build their own team before they can be expected to win 2 matches in a row or deliver some good performances. Imagine how managers at other clubs manage to do do well without spending £0.5 billion.....
 
Amorim is tactically inflexible and cowardly when put under pressure. From the past year of his tenure, I've seen no indication that he's the right man to be our manager and see no reason to continue this until the inevitable happens.
It doesn't seem matter how badly he does, given he won't change his system he just gets to say the players didn't do well enough and rub his head in an exasperated fashion. The owners seem happy with that, a good chunk of our fans do too
 
Forget about last year. No other team gets judged by the results of last season.
As so many others have already pointed:

Literally every football club gets judged on their last year's performance. It's a continuous evaluation that never stops.

Anything else would be insane.
 
Wish the Amorim out brigade could stop with their Agenda until the end of the season. He wont get sacked with ineos in charge and will get one whole season at least. Just watch the process and come back in may.
Come back when we're in the Championship?

You can't expect people to watch the utter dross we've been served up for the better part of two years (including Ten Hag) and maintain a happy go lucky attitude towards another obviously failing manager. Amorim hasn't delivered even close to an acceptable level yet and there is to this day no actual evidence, that he ever will. People have been patient as well. Pretty much everyone basically gave him a free pass last season and the general sentiment of posters on this forum during the summer was an honest attempt at being hopeful and optimistic. Then we pretty much got the same cr*p served up again and again, including humiliation at Grimsby and horrific performances at City and Brentford, while laboring to unconvincing wins against teams we should beat comfortably, including Chelsea, who played with 10 men for 86+ minutes.

Romanticizing another messianic managerial figure won't help this club. There probably won't be another Ferguson. What we needed a long time ago is a ruthless attempt at fixing longstanding issues, but any long term change also needs a certain amount of competency in the here and now too, especially among the coaching staff. We've given other managers far too much rope in the past and sacrificed whole seasons on the back of it. If we don't demand better results from someone like Amorim, we might as well accept our has been status and shut down any and all discourse in spaces like this forum. No other club of this size, nor their fans would accept what we've been subjected to over the last couple of years. It's frankly an embarrassment and it shouldn't be brushed under the carpet. Ever.
 
Come back when we're in the Championship?

You can't expect people to watch the utter dross we've been served up for the better part of two years (including Ten Hag) and maintain a happy go lucky attitude towards another obviously failing manager. Amorim hasn't delivered even close to an acceptable level yet and there is to this day no actual evidence, that he ever will. People have been patient as well. Pretty much everyone basically gave him a free pass last season and the general sentiment of posters on this forum during the summer was an honest attempt at being hopeful and optimistic. Then we pretty much got the same cr*p served up again and again, including humiliation at Grimsby and horrific performances at City and Brentford, while laboring to unconvincing wins against teams we should beat comfortably, including Chelsea, who played with 10 men for 86+ minutes.

Romanticizing another messianic managerial figure won't help this club. There probably won't be another Ferguson. What we needed a long time ago is a ruthless attempt at fixing longstanding issues, but any long term change also needs a certain amount of competency in the here and now too, especially among the coaching staff. We've given other managers far too much rope in the past and sacrificed whole seasons on the back of it. If we don't demand better results from someone like Amorim, we might as well accept our has been status and shut down any and all discourse in spaces like this forum. No other club of this size, nor their fans would accept what we've been subjected to over the last couple of years. It's frankly an embarrassment and it shouldn't be brushed under the carpet. Ever.
This is becoming quite an irritating misrepresentation I’ve seen popping up frequently on the forum. Is it not true to say that united only had a man advantage for less than half of that number of minutes?

I get why many people want the manager sacked, but the persistent hyperbole used to backup these stances becomes tiresome to read.
 
As so many others have already pointed:

Literally every football club gets judged on their last year's performance. It's a continuous evaluation that never stops.

Anything else would be insane.

Funny enough, if Amorim ended last season with a 5 win streak and the Europa league but started this season with 5 straight losses, the same "last season doesn't count" squad would be saying how we shouldn't criticise his start to the season because last season he ended so well.
 
This is becoming quite an irritating misrepresentation I’ve seen popping up frequently on the forum. Is it not true to say that united only had a man advantage for less than half of that number of minutes?

I get why many people want the manager sacked, but the persistent hyperbole used to backup these stances becomes tiresome to read.
It doesn't really look any better that we only scored while outnumbering them and we 'lost' the second half 0-1 when we played 10vs10.
 
It doesn't really look any better that we only scored while outnumbering them and we 'lost' the second half 0-1 when we played 10vs10.
So even when we beat Chelsea legitimately, a team who are odds on for top four, and even when the red card we received was contentious, it’s still somehow a poor performance? Okay.
 
It doesn't really look any better that we only scored while outnumbering them and we 'lost' the second half 0-1 when we played 10vs10.

We brought about their red card because of a dominant start to the game. We were all over them. To then use that to downplay the performance is frankly bizarre.

United fans so desperate to play down their own team’s performances will never not be weird.
 
We brought about their red card because of a dominant start to the game. We were all over them. To then use that to downplay the performance is frankly bizarre.

United fans so desperate to play down their own team’s performances will never not be weird.
We had the opportunity to take out a cd and go more offensive and kill all their hope of a comeback but didn't, and then it all fizzled out in the second half and got too close for comfort.
I can't be the only one who was happy with the win but slightly disappointed with a wasted chance for a truly great win after that start.
 
Forget about last year. No other team gets judged by the results of last season. He took over a total disaster of a team midseason and got a free shot using the time to get his system into the players. I think he knew that the material he had wasnt good enough for his system to work but he decided that it would be better for the long term to stay true to his principles and so we lost many games. We started the Season quite ok, if we score the two pens we win against fulham and Brentford and have 14 pts and are 3rd. We will never get relegated or loose 6 games in a row. We can gladly bet on this

Agreed. We know this because if it were strictly about last year, he would've already been gone after the EL. Its clear Ratcliffe and Berrada see this as a multiple year rebuild involving at least two summer windows, so unless we are in 14th in December and don't look like we're getting anywhere near EL or CL qualification, I suspect Amorim will remain the manager. If he does qualify for Europe, they will view it as an affirmation of their strategy and double down on him.