Ruben Amorim | 2025-26

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I just can’t get on board with the 343 and our current squad.

I don’t think we have a single wingback in the team. I can’t help but feel if we had an extra man in the middle we’d look far better.

Lammens
Maz - Yoro - de Ligt - Shaw
Casemiro - Bruno
Amad - Cunha - Mount
Mbeumo​

It’s not perfect but it’s a lot better than this.
 
acnumber9 said:
You could engage with the post but you don’t actually have anything to say. Certainly nothing worth reading.
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You could have engaged in this thread in the last three weeks too. You must feel vindicated. Congrats.
 
Berggy20913 said:
You could have engaged in this thread in the last three weeks too. You must feel vindicated. Congrats.
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I could but if you have a dissenting voice you get a pile on. So it’s not really worth it. I’m glad three games could erase a year of shite for you though.

If you care to look I posted here after the Brighton game though.
 
acnumber9 said:
You could engage with the post but you don’t actually have anything to say. Certainly nothing worth reading.
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I don't need to. My stance has always been better players will = better results and that's proving to be the case.

I've also repeatedly said how much of a fluke the 8th place finish was compared to the performances/underlying numbers. Bottom half was not a shock on the trajectory Ten Hag put us on.

And as you've now finally agreed it was not a fact that Amorim was the reason for it.
 
acnumber9 said:
I could but if you have a dissenting voice you get a pile on. So it’s not really worth it. I’m glad three games could erase a year of shite for you though.

If you care to look I posted here after the Brighton game though.
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Sums it up right there. No need to post when we win and play better.
 
I'm surprised he didn't bring on Mount because he loves him.

I'm not too bothered he didn't bring on Zirkzee as he does the square root of f**k all every other time he comes on.
 
anyone calling for zirkzee to have come in the game need to have their head examined....the guy is pure shit
 
bosskeano said:
anyone calling for zirkzee to have come in the game need to have their head examined....the guy is pure shit
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But he's been practicing his super cool celebration... It's cool because guns are hard.
 
Today was one of those too frequent games where I've got no idea what he's trying to have United do in attacking areas.

Players seem to be stepping on each others' toes, making confusing decisions in the final third, and failing to find themselves in their most dangerous attacking situations - as opposed to fluently creating dangerous situations.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
I wonder if he will try Shaw at LWB when Martinez returns? Our options at LWB are poor and maybe Shaw can manage 75 min once a week.
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The exact same idea popped in my head while watching the game. Unfortunately I think Shaw’s legs are gone.
 
I like Amorim, I hope it works out for him, but I don't think I'll ever like this system.

3 Central defenders on the pitch when we're chasing a goal (and we still concede a shit tonne of a goals even with 3 central defenders).

A right footed right back, who's not even that good in his preferred position, playing left wing back, who's a non entity going forward and a liability in defence, but who the manager seems to favour.

A 2 man midfield that, for all the individual qualities of the players in question, is very slow and immobile and almost always outnumbered.

Even one of the success stories of his system (Amad as right wing back) still brings up shortcomings when he's isolated in a defensive position.

Amorim's results will probably improve on last season due to the superior attacking players he has, and the fact that last year could scarcely get worse.

But I think his stubbornness and inflexibility will put a ceiling on what the team will achieve under him.
 
El Jefe said:
I don't think I'll ever truly be happy he's here. Just knowing that the team will always play 3atb no matter the state of the game or the injuries we have will just always rub me the wrong way.

He's never watched a game and thought to bring on an extra midfielder.

Once games get away from him his only route back in seems to be a set piece, chaos or a moment of brilliance.

We're a lot better now but I never see him being good enough for us.
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This is where I'm at. I dislike that he's stuck on 3atb regardless of game situation. It's because of the quality of the players we have that we overcome that limitation. Should get European football this season, no excuses for that. I said that even before this uptick in form. So we'll need two absolutely amazing midfielders and magic up a good LWB to be able to get near the top under him.

At least that's how it looks.
 
babablue said:
To be fair, I don't think he has much choice. Dorgu is equally underwhelming. Maybe he'll try Shaw when Martinez is back
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Yes that is an obvious point that is often ignored when people criticise the selection of dalot. Still think it's incredible we seemingly didn't even try to get alvaro carreras back for 15m and instead preferred dorgu who appears to be an incredible overpriced academy
 
Matt851 said:
Yes that is an obvious point that is often ignored when people criticise the selection of dalot. Still think it's incredible we seemingly didn't even try to get alvaro carreras back for 15m and instead preferred dorgu who appears to be an incredible overpriced academy
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I doubt he would've picked United over Real Madrid. I also think we needed the money.
 
roseguy64 said:
This is where I'm at. I dislike that he's stuck on 3atb regardless of game situation. It's because of the quality of the players we have that we overcome that limitation. Should get European football this season, no excuses for that. I said that even before this uptick in form. So we'll need two absolutely amazing midfielders and magic up a good LWB to be able to get near the top under him.

At least that's how it looks.
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Is there a club at the level we’re aspiring to without at least two amazing midfielders? Before you throw Liverpool out there, they’re out of form now but were amazing last season.
 
A brave and flexible manager gets 3 points at Forests. When oppositionanagers switch formation, he seems to have no answer, at Fulham and at Forest.At 2-1 Forest looked like the more likely to get another goal.
We lost control of the midfield, a flexible manager would have switched to a midfield 3 and make attacking substitutions

I think will finish 10-6 position, that's his level.
 
Oscar Bonavena said:
I like Amorim, I hope it works out for him, but I don't think I'll ever like this system.

3 Central defenders on the pitch when we're chasing a goal (and we still concede a shit tonne of a goals even with 3 central defenders).

A right footed right back, who's not even that good in his preferred position, playing left wing back, who's a non entity going forward and a liability in defence, but who the manager seems to favour.

A 2 man midfield that, for all the individual qualities of the players in question, is very slow and immobile and almost always outnumbered.

Even one of the success stories of his system (Amad as right wing back) still brings up shortcomings when he's isolated in a defensive position.

Amorim's results will probably improve on last season due to the superior attacking players he has, and the fact that last year could scarcely get worse.

But I think his stubbornness and inflexibility will put a ceiling on what the team will achieve under him.
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This is my fear with him.

At worst Dalot is playing because of nepotism, but at best he is playing only because of this formation.

Right now, the squad looks perfect for a 433 / 4231 and we could be going places already. The issue isn't 343 per se but that we don't have the exact profile of players required to play it. It places too much importance on specialized wingbacks - you will never have 4 great wingbacks in your squad to rotate / cover for injuries. We have just the one right now in Amad (and we just got lucky that he could play the position acceptably enough).

Then you have the lack of desire to control a game. Amorim keeps saying we don't control games, but he does nothing about it really. The depressing thing is that we have to go back 10 years to LvG for a manager who prioritized it like a big club should. I don't mean just possession stats but controlling a game so that a team like Forest don't get to have 17 shots (!) on our goal. That should be unacceptable, win or lose. Jose, Ole, EtH, and now Amorim - none of these managers have wanted to control a game.
 
It’s been said a thousand times by the looks of things - but 343 has to be the enemy.

The LWB role is just a wasted position at this point and I’m fed up of seeing 1 attacker outdo 3 defenders when we concede. Happened at Fulham, Brentford and now Forest. Maybe just F the extra defender off so there’s less confusion and our RWB/LWB can actually pick up a more attacking position.

Great guy for identifying profile weaknesses in players. Terrible guy for setting up a team it seems.
 
Lacked bravery with the subs today, evidence he still has a long way to go on game management
 
croadyman said:
Lacked bravery with the subs today, evidence he still has a long way to go on game management
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I agree.

I disagree with people who said that 343 formation is the issue. The formation isn’t the issue, we had seen that the 343 can work. I think it’s Amorim’s game management that needs an improvement.

In addition, I’m little disappointed how we conceded 2 goals from crossings especially the 2nd goal we conceded is something we should have done better.
 
acnumber9 said:
Wow. 2nd briefly. I might get that printed on a t shirt. We were top briefly last season.
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and you wouldn’t have been bitching about the manager when we were briefly top I’m sure.

I know 10 points in the last 4 games must be really tough for you pal. Feel for ya
 
JE-0801 said:
I agree.

I disagree with people who said that 343 formation is the issue. The formation isn’t the issue, we had seen that the 343 can work. I think it’s Amorim’s game management that needs an improvement.

In addition, I’m little disappointed how we conceded 2 goals from crossings especially the 2nd goal we conceded is something we should have done better.
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Fuming at the sloppy start to that 2nd half, there is no excuse for just switching off for 5 mins at all. He needs to read the riot act a bit when it comes to concentration because clearly there is a problem which needs addressing.

He also might want to bear in mind that come January he will need to call on Zirkzee so don't just give him little gametime then expect miracle performances.
 
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Berggy20913 said:
Is there a club at the level we’re aspiring to without at least two amazing midfielders? Before you throw Liverpool out there, they’re out of form now but were amazing last season.
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Not many in a two. Though that's been helped some by Amorim's tactical changes to support the midfield.
 
Trying not to flip flop from game to game and forest away is a tough place to go but i really don't see amorim as the man for the job. Never have.

His ability to change things in the middle of a game is very mediocre and let's not even get started about playing 3 at the back when chasing a game.
 
zenith said:
Trying not to flip flop from game to game and forest away is a tough place to go but i really don't see amorim as the man for the job. Never have.

His ability to change things in the middle of a game is very mediocre and let's not even get started about playing 3 at the back when chasing a game.
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Yeah has to do much better to win me back over, don't trust his in game management one little bit sadly
 
We were less fluid yesterday as compared to previous games but we definitely had the chance to win it. A top 6 will make me happy this season. He seems to be getting us there.
 
moodyred said:
We were less fluid yesterday as compared to previous games but we definitely had the chance to win it. A top 6 will make me happy this season. He seems to be getting us there.
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Can see that falling apart come January, if I saw more intention of him signing players might feel different
 
zenith said:
Trying not to flip flop from game to game and forest away is a tough place to go but i really don't see amorim as the man for the job. Never have.

His ability to change things in the middle of a game is very mediocre and let's not even get started about playing 3 at the back when chasing a game.
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How many players do you think attack in a 4231 when chasing a game?
 
My views have not changed, and I firmly believe that we’d be much better off with another manager. Poor selection and poor in game management continue.

Case in point is Dalot. Every single person can see that he has been playing terribly and has been liability for months and months, but he is still picked week in week out costing points.

I’d really like to see another person take the reins as there is potential in the squad.
 
FrenchRed said:
My views have not changed, and I firmly believe that we’d be much better off with another manager. Poor selection and poor in game management continue.

Case in point is Dalot. Every single person can see that he has been playing terribly and has been liability for months and months, but he is still picked week in week out costing points.

I’d really like to see another person take the reins as there is potential in the squad.
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Yeah still remain in the out camp, sorry
 
croadyman said:
Lacked bravery with the subs today, evidence he still has a long way to go on game management
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What changes would you have made ?

I think there was a higher chance of a goal with Sesko vs Zirkzee or Cunha vs Mount. If he had swapped out Casemiro, we have seen what can happen.

I would have liked to see some changes too but am struggling to see what those may have been.
 
Tallis said:
What changes would you have made ?

I think there was a higher chance of a goal with Sesko vs Zirkzee or Cunha vs Mount. If he had swapped out Casemiro, we have seen what can happen.

I would have liked to see some changes too but am struggling to see what those may have been.
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Sesko was garbage today, not all his fault but Ruben is clearly afraid to make tactical change subs. The best managers are not afraid of taking risks sadly he is risk averse so we suffered as a result.
 
Literally anything but a win and all the Amorim haters come crawling out of their holes. It’s kinda hilarious tbh.
 
For the four games between international breaks I thought we'd lose to Liverpool and Brighton, beat Forest and draw with Spurs, giving us four points. We've got seven points with a good chance of adding at least one more next week so I'm happy with that.

There were some positive signs again yesterday, understanding between players is developing, we're creating more chances etc. Clearly the lack of squad depth is a problem. Mainoo and ZZ might as well not be here (I hope Mainoo goes on loan and actually plays some football).

We need reinforcements in January.
 
Tallis said:
What changes would you have made ?

I think there was a higher chance of a goal with Sesko vs Zirkzee or Cunha vs Mount. If he had swapped out Casemiro, we have seen what can happen.

I would have liked to see some changes too but am struggling to see what those may have been.
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Before the match even started, Amorim should have consider some plan B of what happened if we need to chase for the goal because we were behind. If his plan B was to bring on Mazraoui and Dorgu then that’s poor planning / poor game management.

If I were him, I would have change the structure of the formation to bring on more attackers because we needed goals. Just like Sir Alex used to do.

If he doesn’t want to change the formation then at least bring on more attackers not just full backs to change the game like sub off Shaw, move Dorgu as LCB, move Amad as LWB, move Mbeumo as RWB, to brings on more attacker like Mount or Zirkzee.

There are ways to bring on either or both Mount or/and Zirkzee to the game.
 
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