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Ruben Amorim | 2025-26
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We’ve got no one to bring on especially against a side giving as good as they got. Don’t forget Brighton. Could’ve been 4-1 with the changes most wanted. Besides his substitutes are not designed for like for like in the hope the next best will get lucky. They’re designed to slightly change our formation based on player characteristics. Forrest were 6th last season and are a very good team just had a pisspoor manager for a few games. Besides we hit the post and had one cleared off the line. If that was Liverpool they would have been robbed by bad luck.
That was a good result with us off our game which will happen as we improve.
It's going to be up and down all season but 6th place and abov is still the aim.
We're on target.
We're on target.
I've accepted that will never be an option under Amorim, I've made my peace with it. I just hope he can learn to become more flexible, because as you say I thought Forest were the better side yesterday. Got their tactics right, especially defensively and Ruben couldn't adapt to that.
You’re the only one that interpreted my post as if we win PL and CL I’d be upset because we are playing 3 at the back. The only weird thing was you bringing up make believe trophies when there’s no evidence it’s in sight.
I think that's probably just as much of a stretch mate.
It wasn't working, if something is not working and you're losing a game then you try something different, that's what 99% of managers do when they're losing. You can't just carry on as you have been and hope for the best. We scored from two corners yesterday that won't happen every game where we struggle to score from open play.
I must have seen over a thousand United games where Alex Ferguson was the manager. I must say in all the games where we were losing I can't remember Fergie not bringing at least 1 but usually multiple attackers on to try and make change things up and force the opposition on the back foot. And he had much better attackers than we currently do yet he still made changes. Losing a game but seeing the only changes the manager make is to bring two defenders on is Alien to me to be honest.
I’d be astounded if we win anything of note with this guy. He’s far to stubborn and rigid with his setup.
Is sarcasm difficult for you?
Not particularly. Did you think that was the height of wit?
Seriously, what are you missing here? You said "I don't think I'll ever truly be happy he's here. Just knowing that the team will always play 3atb no matter the state of the game or the injuries we have will just always rub me the wrong way." I'm giving you a scenario where United win a major trophy, and according to your own words you 'wouldn't be truly happy'.
The question as to whether it's 'in sight' or not is irrelevant. Nobody in the world would have predicted Leicester winning the league but they did. Did you miss the fact that we have 4 wins and a draw in our last 6 games? You're going on like we are still in the relegation zone?
Promoted sides spend on average 150m on transfers.
The money argument may have been true 5 years ago, but nowadays any team spends between 100 and 200m per summer
Does the bit in bold not say it all? It's a lot easier to make changes when you have genuine quality on the bench. It's not crazy to think that we'd be more likely to score with Sesko and Cunha on the pitch than Zirkzee and Mount (for instance). He made changes against Brighton when we were 3-0 up and we lost control of the game, so he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
To say that him not making a change shows he was content to lose the game is mental
It's just people who have already decided the manager needs to be sacked, using the small set back of a draw as fuel for their existing view.
Some very thick posts about his subs being made too given it was only after the subs we looked more solid, equalised, then had chances to win it.
It seems that the view is only attacking subs are seen as trying to win the game. Very very thick posts IMO.
I qualified my initial post saying I don’t think he’ll ever be good enough for us so it’s implied that I don’t think we’ll be winning the PL or CL under him.
You made a silly post just accept it.
Says the guy who can 'never be truly happy' whilst Amorim plays 3 at the back
My biggest gripe with him is when the going gets tough, he has completely no idea what to do. Yesterday, I felt that he was bailed out by individual talent rather than his system. If Dyche had brought on attackers, they would have won the game as they were battering us at 2-1. Our away record with him is atrocious. Bar the rare Anfield win which was our cup final, we've didn't win any away games this season.
In-game management is the weakest part of his game. I can't recall a single game (in the PL at least) where we were being outplayed and a positional, personnel or formation shape by Ruben turned the game in our favour. Maybe I'm forgetting but if someone can think of any examples please post them here.
Yes, he's set the team up well in some games and we've played well, but once an opposite manager figures it out and makes a change, that's it, there's no plan B. Once it turns shit, it stays shit.
The 2nd half yesterday was giving me Europa League final vibes. We created practically nothing after going behind, but he seemed happy to watch the same thing over and over for 30 minutes, only this time a piece of magic from Amad rescued us.
I like Amorim. I want him to succeed. But surely the most staunch of Amorim supporters can see this is a major weakness in his management?
Yes, he's set the team up well in some games and we've played well, but once an opposite manager figures it out and makes a change, that's it, there's no plan B. Once it turns shit, it stays shit.
The 2nd half yesterday was giving me Europa League final vibes. We created practically nothing after going behind, but he seemed happy to watch the same thing over and over for 30 minutes, only this time a piece of magic from Amad rescued us.
I like Amorim. I want him to succeed. But surely the most staunch of Amorim supporters can see this is a major weakness in his management?
No not really, you suggested Amorim might think the attackers on the pitch had a better chance of scoring. Fergie had world class attackers yet still changed or supplemented them when we were losing. More often than not the players on the bench even under Fergie wouldn't have been as good as the regular starters, but he still tried something in bringing them on. Yesterday Mount for Sesko seemed an obvious change, Mazraoui for Dalot with Shaw pushing up another, Shaw unlike Dalot or Dorgu can actually cross a ball.
Losing a game and struggling to create decent chances from open play but choosing not to mix it up in attack is poor from a manager however it's spun. Sorry that's my opinion and no one will change it.
That's the perfect time to make changes, I never criticised him for those changes.
To say that him not making a change shows he was content to lose the game is mental
Mate I said he seemed content, seemed. He obviously wouldn't have been happy to lose but he made little effort to affect our attacking play.
But he made two subs, we equalised and then nearly won the game. He clearly knew what to do and did it. Unless you think he should be blamed for them blocking a winning goal on the line.
Am I living in the twilight zone here?
And that's a completely reasonable position to take - had you just written that I wouldn't have responded.
Lots of people did though. And the fact that the players that came on actually had a negative impact on that game is bound to have influenced his thinking.
I know that's what you said. What I'm saying is that surely the most logical reason for him not making the changes you wanted to see is that he felt the attacking players that were on the pitch gave him the best chance to win the game? Whether it was or wasn't a mistake is up for debate (although we did get back to 2-2 and had a shot cleared off the line), but that is a very different thing to not making a change because you're not arsed about losing the game.
I think he really just doesn't rate our other options, I don't blame him tbf. I would've backed the players on the pitch more than our subs
Like most sarcasm, it got the point across. 10 points in 4 games is actually pretty decent form. It’s also a fact that you and others are way more active in here when we drop any point, compared to when we win and you all stay in your little holes. Quality United fans.
(That was sarcasm too).
I posted last week in this thread to say for 70 minutes it was the best we played under him. What do you expect me to do? I don’t rate him and it will take a lot more than 3 wins to convince he’s the right manager.
We had people like you insistent the last manager should stay after the cup final (you were probably one of them) and that did nothing but set us back. Quality United fans they were. (See, I can do sarcasm too. I’m so witty.)
The problem you and some others have is that you think backing the manager makes you a better fan or more interested in what is right for the club. You’re wrong.
Fair enough mate but it's not a million miles away from my first post.
Perhaps it did but we were losing, losing 2-1 or 4-1 isn't much different in the grand scheme of things. I feel if he's going to not only survive at United but also be successful he has to be braver in these situations.
He most likely felt that the game was too physical for an unfit Mount to join in and didn't want to take the chance. Otherwise, Mount would be in for Cunha.
Putting on extra attackers is always an option though.
We drew the game though? So we did get that goal back, and very nearly bagged a winner too.
We did and I'm happy we did but it could have just as easily gone the other way just as we might have won with an extra attacker on the pitch. There's been other games where he did make attacking changes and they worked and yet others where they didn't. Us scoring a 2nd from a corner doesn't really prove anything.
As I've said I can accept the team performing poorly and losing. But losing and the manager not at least trying to mix the attack up is something I'll just never be able to accept. I grew up on Fergie just throwing on attacker after attacker in an effort to turn games around.
After last week, would you blame him? We just don't have good options and midfield and attack. If you remove Sesko, you are bringing in Zirkzee or Mount. Not exactly inspiring options.
But we nearly won the game with the players that were already on the pitch. Bringing on extra attackers or making too many changes has backfired for us just last week when Brighton came back. If Forest won 3-2 people would be on here complaining he made too many changes and messed up the formation.
Mount isn't fully fit, and his other option is Zirkzee.
SAF, unlike Amorin, always had a deep squad of options and SAF liked to carry 4 legit strikers in his squad-- so he always had the opportunity to bring on fresh legs in the rare times that United were trailing.
I don't blame RA for looking at his bench and going-- well, either bring on Zirkzee or leave Sesko on and deciding to leave Sesko on. Zirkzee has 3 goals in 36 EPL appearances. Not exactly the same as SAF bring Ole or Sheringham off the bench for Yorke or Cole.
People need to get to grips that a.) the team needs help in the starting XI and b.) the team really has no depth except in a couple of positions.
RA's hands are tied to a degree. SAF, barring a couple of years, always had a standout CB pairing, so he could always gamble by adding a defender-- or my personal favorite, when he would put Giggs on as a "left back" in essence going 3 at the back. United can't keep clean sheets with 5 at the back. RA has to be a bit more pragmatic than SAF because he doesn't have the same horses-- not in attack, defense, goalie or midfield. It's a lot easier to take off a defender for a striker if you know your back 3 is Evra, Rio, Vidic-- because they are elite players.
17 points, 1 point behind second. Even after being screwed in the Arsenal game-- missing penalties in 2 other games and having a ball cleared off the line at the end of yesterday's game. Doing so with 1 striker who is young and is getting his first taste of the EPL. I'm not bored to death watching this team like I was under ETH and at least we are back to creating chances.
Lots of positives and most of the negatives are related to the squad which can't be solved in 1 summer transfer window-- it will take multiple windows to get a squad that has the depth that SAF had when he was managing.
Mount has been pretty good this season. Certainly better than Sesko or whatever that performance from Cunha yesterday was. Can only assume he isn't fully fit
Mainoo and Zirkzee didn’t cover themselves in glory coming on against Brighton. Not hating on those 2, but you can understand the logic behind Amorim sticking with the attacking options already on the pitch.
A lot of moaning basically because we didn't bring Zirkzee on. He's hardly Solskjaer as a sub is he. Our options for goal threats are still pretty dire.
West Ham showing today how difficult away games are in the PL (only 29% have been won by the away side so far this season).
West Ham showing today how difficult away games are in the PL (only 29% have been won by the away side so far this season).
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We drew the match, could have won with Bruno and Amad.
There were no better attacking options to bring on. He removed Dalot and brought on Dorgu. The real issue is still the CM, it gets ran through easily and when we are defending we don’t have a cm that can track back and cover.
Nope I wanted ETH gone too. I don’t just back the manager with blinkers on. I can also appreciate ETH had multiple summers to get the team set up properly and he was actively making us worse over a significant period of time. Amorim has had one summer and we’ve objectively improved on the shit squad he inherited and we’re playing better now too, although plenty more improvement needed of course.
My issue has always been a lack of patience from fans and an overly negative attitude.
Wtf? Have you watched him this season at all?
I've got a lot of time for Mount, but he's not necessarily someone you bring on when you need a goal - 3 goals in 38 appearances shows that. I'd bring him on to defend from the front and protect a lead, or start him (as Amorim did) in games like Liverpool away. Great squad option but he's not exactly a Solksjaer or Chicarito now is he?
Fair point.
Also fair. Not everyone can assist their own header with their foot.
I like this timeline where his two defender subs were a stroke of genius that got us the equaliser