But just the sheer quality throughout the league is exceptional. There's only about 4 teams that aren't loaded with brilliant players. Hopefully we can get top 5 but I wouldn't be too critical if we didn't given the fact we have the slowest middle of the pitch since Jan Mallby laced his boots.
Ruben Amorim | 2025-26
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No but I expect us to be able to beat the likes of Burnley, Bournemouth, West Ham and Everton at home easilly
I could be wrong here but I think we've played other games this season?
He’s not struggling but he’s not struggling for a (struggling) team in the championship, which is the point.
Was more referring to their subsequent tweets. But yeah he was using examples of young players he has used, even if they’ve not been ready. And Mainoo is clearly ahead of those guys.
If there were serious disciplinary problems with multiple kids in the academy over a long period, even going back to the days of Fergie. Then I imagine we'd have heard about it.
I don't even think that list is even that bad. For the most part I'd attribute the majority of the 'attitude issues' to teenagers being teenagers.
Yeah, and I've genuinely no idea what Amorim is trying to achieve here.
He's creating drama and a negative story where there didn't need to be one.
Outside of Greenwood with England, I can't remember hearing about any of them doing anything particularly egregious.
I think what he initially wanted to say is that he did play youth despite them maybe not being ready yet as a defense against the claims of him not playing academy players. He went about it in the worst way possible though
He's a journos dream.
I've noticed he's prone to that, he needs to get smarter in how he speaks to the press. The club should get him training but I doubt they will.
He was trying to defend himself from questions about the lack of opportunities for Mainoo and his supposed desire to leave on loan.
I get that but the headline/clickbait creating press certainly shouldn't be having the manager of Man Utd doing their job for them.
He shouldn't but he was defensive and said things he shouldn't have in this context. And the second set of quotes are pure PR, it's a classic of supposed leaders or elders, claiming that kids are entitled and aren't like they used to be. And people buy it every time.
You're right there, every single time. And he's picking a fight with easy targets.
At home we have been shocking against teams that are below us which is why Newcastle being below us isnt a reason to say I was wrong about us having no chance of beating them on Friday, we'll probably lose to Villa tomorrow then lose to Newcastle on Friday.
Which is pathetic especially in Sport. There isn't a time were more has been expected from young players. We expect them to be more polished, more consistent, more professional and they are under scrutiny publicly like never before. Previous generations didn't have all that and yet we know about a number of incidents or bad habits they had, imagine what is hidden by their more secretive and forgiving context.
None of the players he decided to casually name drop in a negative way have suggested that they are ready to start so far as I’m aware.
Look at Amass - an 18 year old prepared to join cash-strapped Wednesday, knowing it would be a tough season, to develop his career. What he needs is some support from his manager. Instead, what does he hear? That he’s “struggling” in the championship.
Why could Amorim, even if he felt he had to name-drop players to make his point that the youngsters weren’t ready, not have said something like “Harry is doing great in the championship, and is one for the future, but he’s still only 18 and isn’t quite ready yet to start matches for United”?
I think the point he was trying to make, albeit poorly, is that why should mainoo leave on loan when others have and things aren’t necessarily any better for them on loan than if they had stayed at utd, therefore mainoo should stay and fight…although tying that back to Obi as well is tricky, but works for collyer and amass.
Which would actually make sense since he said that a month ago about Amass. As I said I'm 100% sure that he misspoke, he had Amass's name in mind either because he talked about him previously or his award was fresh in his mind and he lumped him with struggling players. The reason I say this is because it doesn't even make sense with the context of the conversation which was about playing time and opportunities, Amass is playing, he is playing well and taking his opportunity in a difficut environment.
There was no point.
The summary of what he said was "last season I played young players who weren't ready, even when my job was at risk". Therefore don't criticise me for not playing Mainoo or other youth players.
People have taken a red herring of the semantics of the word suffering, when he has basically only brought up Amass et al to defend his own record. He brought them up in a negative context to defend himself (call it throwing under the bus or whatever).
He could have also brought them up in a positive light and made the same point e.g. "we're trying to develop young players at the right pace, I gave Amass his debut last year but he's not ready for the PL yet so he's on loan and getting game time" etc.
It was basically unprompted and unnecessary. And also a complete strawman response on why he's not playing Mainoo, who is clearly further along in his development. And it's not like he gave Chido, Collyer and Amass many minutes anyway.
Et tu, Brute?
Nah the way he went about it is terrible management and just dickish. You haven't lost me!
Amorim is the Larry David of coaches: just can’t help himself from putting his foot in it.
Might be a cultural divide, too. Over here, in our teens we were stealing cars, snorting meth, doing drive-by shootings, and robbing liquor stores. But we never did anything as heinous as posting a clap back photo on Instagram.
Why would a US teen rob a liquor store? Can't drink anyway
We steal the scratch-off lottery tickets, duh!
Indeed and to be honest in my opinion. The manager of Manchster United has no business airing private club matters in public. And to be speaking about the clubs academy players like this in the press, just because he is facing criticism for not playing them. Convinces me more than ever, this guy is at the wrong club. Scholes is spot on about him, he just doesn't get this club.
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Journos have basically become clickbait merchants. One question about Kobbie, another about McTominay, another questioning whether Lammens was the right buy instead of Martinez. Grim stuff.
Yeah, and it’s never-ending week on week…but the Cafe expects him to never misplace a word.
The guy is trying to fix 10+ years of mismanagement, yet giving the young players a few harsh words is a sackable offence
It’s become a thread to stay out of as much as possible.
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Hope the Mainoo press conferences come to an end soon, getting really boring.
there i fixed it.
Same can be said about manager too. If you have problem with some young players go have a chat privately no need to make it public.
Why shouldnt the players respond? Are we talking about SAF level of manager here?
What's with this disgusting behaviour shown by the likes of amas, collyer, obi as you suggested here? Did they refuse to train like your precious bonehead Amorim back when he was still playing?
Bloody hell some of you trully have lost the plot. Thinking its ok for manager to targeting young players while it's completely against the club value. Show me just one case where Sir Matt or Sir Alex belittle young player in the public.
This is irrelevant when the young player makes said issue public in the first place isn't it?
It's funny you immediately label anyone criticising a young player for their behaviour as being an Amorim sympathiser. Did you know it's possible that I believe Amorim deserves to be sacked and that at the same time Mainoo and the other young players he's dealt with were completely out of line and handled in the correct way?
With people like you, there's no point discussing things with though. It's all black or white.
Stop making shit up. None of them have said something (not even a tiny bit of criticism) toward Amorim. Else can you prove me otherwise and show me what have the likes of Mainoo, Collyer, Amass, Obi said about Amorim in the public? Go on.
He's obviously specifically talking about Mainoo here, and it's well reported that he knew about the shirt before it happened, which is also clearly what Amorim is referring to. What are you failing to understand? When I mentioned the problems with our academy it goes back over the last 10 years and was mainly in regards to every breakthrough prospect we seem to have. Ie. Pogba, Januzaj, Rashford, Garnacho and now most recently, Mainoo. It doesn't mean literally every single academy player has this problem. I'm talking to the ones that get hyped up to be the next big thing and they all clearly let it get to their head. There's a problem in how we handle these particular players and it's obvious. What Amirim is doing now which is showing that this behaviour will absolutely not be tolerated, will benefit us in the long term, whether he's the manager or not.
He's right on about the entitlement that youth players have at the club. The social media posts, the t-shirts, which brother is saying what, it all has to stop. Rashford should've been the proof that it had to stop. The notion that academy players give their all for the club is a myth.
You want quality players who are willing to fight for the right to play for the club. Last I checked, Evra, Solskjaer and Park Ji Sung weren't academy players and they all had the right mentality when they were at the club.
That bit about Amorim saying he's failing on the pitch, but not off it? Not gonna lie, and you can call me naive, but he's got me on his side with that.
You want quality players who are willing to fight for the right to play for the club. Last I checked, Evra, Solskjaer and Park Ji Sung weren't academy players and they all had the right mentality when they were at the club.
That bit about Amorim saying he's failing on the pitch, but not off it? Not gonna lie, and you can call me naive, but he's got me on his side with that.
Except he was not only talking about Mainoo there. He brought along other youngsters who had nothing to do with it because he cant handle criticism/pressure from the press and you still cant answer my simple question.
Is it ok for our players to call Amorim a shit coach who took us to worst finish in PL era and lost the cup final to bloody poor spurs?? Because that is what he is.
I think he handled that perfectly.
Big win tonight we will go 5th CL qualification place.
Regardless of manager , how do you judge players reactions to setbacks? Do you think them airing their grievances online is healthy or good for the club ? Im talking about encouraging a culture where players have responsibility for their reactions and at a professional level , it’s expected you let your work be your ally.
When I said “STFU”, I meant online. You let your work do your talking. You speak personally to the manager or you move on. That should be the standard. I can’t get my head around people who think players tweeting complaints or dissatisfaction is ok.
Yes, managers/coaches have to work with them and there needs to be respect shown and lines not crossed. But they are supposed to be elite level sports professionals yet they are afforded all the benefits of the job and theres little to no accountability for players anymore.
I don’t think Amorim did anything worthy of the sort of reaction we are seeing. There seems to be a culture of making something out of nothing and running with it. Media love drama, so run with non stories and people lap it up, particularly if they dislike the manager and want to throw as much sh*t at them as they can.
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