Ten Hag was given far more leeway than Amorim but then we got progressively worse each season after spending hundreds of millions of pounds on new players. That’s when the tide really started turning against him. In contrast, this is Amorim’s first summer window, we’ve only played PL match, and one of our new arrivals hasn’t even had a start yet. It’s a bit silly to compare the two.
Ruben Amorim | 2025-26
- Thread starter Cheimoon
- Start date
Ten Hag was given far more leeway than Amorim but then we got progressively worse each season after spending hundreds of millions of pounds on new players. That’s when the tide really started turning against him. In contrast, this is Amorim’s first summer window, we’ve only played PL match, and one of our new arrivals hasn’t even had a start yet. It’s a bit silly to compare the two.
Exactly. But for some it's weird to point out that Raya was their best player by default yesterday because he wasn't amazing, just okay but their other players were well below par.
How much did he spend too? £500-600m? Ridiculous point to make and just shows what the motives of this poster likely are to try to claim that he wasn’t given the chance to sort it out.
Yeah, the second example was an extreme though, but what if it was just, ‘I fecking hate this system it’s shit and I hope the manager gets sacked’?
Would that be ok?
Last edited:
I think mentioning last year’s results is okay, as long as there is nuance to the post.
Some people are more results-centric, others look at performance.
My impression was that Amorim has tweaked the system slightly from last season. I think that is personnel related. When Garnacho and Bruno were in the 10 spots, they set up in the half spaces more and were much more narrow. In this match, Mbuemo was much wider and used as more of an outlet. It looked a bit more like a front 2 with Mount deeper and more central. When Sesko came on, Cunha took up the same role.
Very encouraging: both Casemiro and Shaw looked to have dropped 5-10 pounds and seemed more mobile. I thought Casemiro played quite well and we missed his distribution when Ugarte came on. Actually, the whole squad looked much more fit. Harry dropped some weight, DeLigt as well. I see those as very positive manager-driven changes to food and conditioning.
The real test will be next week. Will we play with the same or more intensity? Will Amorim have the stones to start Amad at RWB and Sesko? Will he have the courage to play Mainoo instead of Ugarte?
Some people are more results-centric, others look at performance.
My impression was that Amorim has tweaked the system slightly from last season. I think that is personnel related. When Garnacho and Bruno were in the 10 spots, they set up in the half spaces more and were much more narrow. In this match, Mbuemo was much wider and used as more of an outlet. It looked a bit more like a front 2 with Mount deeper and more central. When Sesko came on, Cunha took up the same role.
Very encouraging: both Casemiro and Shaw looked to have dropped 5-10 pounds and seemed more mobile. I thought Casemiro played quite well and we missed his distribution when Ugarte came on. Actually, the whole squad looked much more fit. Harry dropped some weight, DeLigt as well. I see those as very positive manager-driven changes to food and conditioning.
The real test will be next week. Will we play with the same or more intensity? Will Amorim have the stones to start Amad at RWB and Sesko? Will he have the courage to play Mainoo instead of Ugarte?
Presumably if you're not explaining why you think its shit and he needs sacking you're at risk of a warning, maybe more so if its a pattern of posting.
Moderators call. No VAR
Or maybe it's because we created loads of chances and he didn't concede a goal? What a strange lens you seem to view things through?
Let’s back Amorim. He knows what he’s doing. If it’s such a bad system then we wouldn’t have battered Arsenal. Once our front 3 is settled we’ll score plenty of goals.
Better performance but still no goals. He has a new front three now and has to fix this goalscoring problem pronto.
Yeah I agree. You're right there.
We all want him to do well but this season he needs results and he needs them now.
My point is mainly that it would be extremely hard to ignore last season considering had more than half a season in charge and so it will obviously impact how the start of this season is viewed. It happens all the time and would be foolish to try and get people to disregard that. Just like ETH, Amorim is on the back foot.
ETH had a good first season so he had the goodwill to last the entirety of the next season despite the awfulness of his second season. People were calling for him to be sacked and he predictably was early on in his third considering the goodwill had dried up due to the nonsense we produced.
Amorim yes has had less time in charge but he used up most of his goodwill for a lot of people with losing the final in a limp display plus the abysmal results in the league with our first bottom half finish in over a generation. That level of ineptness absolutely means you start off just like ETH and the time in charge/money spent argument is negated. Pochetino didn't do as half as badly as Amorim then Chelsea sacked him and are now a better team for it.
Is that not what I was saying? He faced a lot of shots but very few of them were amazing. His teammates were not great (Odegaard was okay along with Saliba and Gabriel) so he got it by default with his clean sheet and not conceding plus his 1-2 good/great saves.
For many of us, the time in charge/money spent argument is not negated at all. No matter how bad our results were last season, everyone seems to accept that Amorim arrived in difficult circumstances with myriad squad issues, so for me, seeing what he can do with a proper transfer window is actually key to viewing whether he is the right man for the job or not. I gave Ten Hag most of that that second season following several transfer windows before I concluded he was not the right guy. At the very least I’m going to give Amorim every opportunity to show some meaningful progress with a few key personnel changes.
let me put it a different way. Have you ever seen a goalkeeper get a MOTM award when the opposition team has not attacked well?
Of course I have but he wasn't threatening Raya with the one where Saliba was covering as he ran out of steam from running from half way. It isn't a chance in traditional terms.
I agree, but let's not make out that it was something extraordinary that we didn't score. There is clearly progress, but same outcome of not scoring goals or breaking a team down.
Add the player threads to that list as well, Dorgu was getting a hammering in some quarters after yesterdays game
It’s absolutely a chance. He had a free shot at the goal keeper. He didn’t connect well with the ball on this occasion, but this is a player who is more than capable of striking it cleanly and scoring from a position like that, so trying to claim he’s “never scoring from there” is desperate nonsense.
I thought Raya was good without having to do anything particularly special. The man of the match was partly because none of the Arsenal team really stood out and it was also a good way at sticking the boot into us because our keeper cost us the game.
Yup I think we're on the same page here. Some promising signs, but still work to be done.
The system isn't bad as such but this insistence of having to wait for players to settle. City had a few new players come in to the team (not from the PL) at the weekend and delivered from the off. Do you think we would have put 4 past Wolves if we'd have played them?
Expectations are really low around the club and results currently but I really want Amorim to deliver this season.
What on earth? I haven’t visited his thread since the game, but that is shocking. Dear me.
Do you not see the difference in adding a couple of new players to a squad that’s already established under a coach that’s been with them many years to what United are doing with a coach that’s not even had 12 months?
Okay, if he'd have scored that opportunity then it would have been a special run and strike to beat Raya from there. My point is it isn't a glaring chance where you can be disappointed Cunha didn't score.
Yes I do, but that isn't what I asked. We've also been playing the same system since Amorim came in yes I expect more output at this stage.
Other teams seam to be able to integrate players easier than us.
Someone in the post match thread was saying Dorgu was poor and I said he's in a minority with that view and he pointed me to the Dorgu thread, I had a quick look, wasn't everyone but there were quite a few - I just left, if Dorgu was poor then I have no idea what a good player actually is anymore
OMG, you are sooooo negative. Do you supoort United? I am just curious. You have gone out of your way to discredit every chance we made in this thread, you think chances are always the clear cut ones? You think if Cunha had scored it would have been surprising...why? there has been many many goals scored in tight angles, it's not unusual at all. We pressed Arsenal in ways we haven't done before and I am sure that took Arsenal by surprise and couldn't figure us out but you can't decide whether it was us or just Arsenal having a off day. Incredible
This has been one of those weird little Caf oddities as long as I've been here.
There's always been this assumption that new signings will take months to get up to speed, when in reality, most of the time a successful signing will hit the ground running right away.
What were you asking then? How can City do it but United can’t?
I’ve just explained the answer. In fact the team we just played couldn’t integrate any of their new players that well yesterday despite the result. Mbuemo and Cunha were head and shoulders above Zubamendi and Gyokeres.
You’re inventing a narrative to suit your agenda. Everyone interviewed from the Arsenal side have said it was a very tough game and that they won on a bad day. You’re making it sound as if they could have gone and scored another goal at any moment, they just weren’t bothered.
If you can’t see how that’s not a step in the right direction, I don’t know what to say to you.
It’s a strange question to ask though when Cunha and Mbuemo both played really well though don’t you think?
They’ve drawn unanimous praise from the entire footballing community for yesterdays performance.
It isn't being negative at all, just realistic. I stand by then fact that barely any of these "chances" were any that you wouldn't expect Raya to concede from. That isn't a radical suggestion.
Of course if Cunha had of scored from that tight angle it would be surprising. It's my opinion.
I haven't commented on how we pressed and yes it was very good in comparison to what we usually produce which is why I've said we looked to improved. And yes, I think Arsenal can and will play much better that they did yesterday. I think they also gambled on the fact they could sit in and defend and we would find it hard to score- which is how the game played out.
Yes they were excellent yesterday. I was addressing the general "new signings need time to adjust" assumption, which is one I've always been skeptical of.
City finished third last year and started that game against Wolves with a frontline who have played for them for years. The only new to the PL player that started that game for them was Reijnders. City were already 3-0 up when Cherki came in.
The majority of our frontline against Arsenal are brand new to the club, and were playing without a proper 9 ahead of them.
Do you honestly think that’s a fair and reasonable comparison?
But the special thing about it would have been the run, not the strike. Claiming he’s “never scoring from there” is nonsense because goals are scored from that kind of position every weekend, but usually after a through ball, not a solo run.
I'm not sure that's true at all. Some players hit the ground running and are lauded as incredible signings before they've truly proven themselves (see Dan James). I think most United fans will probably remember Evra and Vidic and say that it's fair enough to give players a fair crack of the whip before judging them. It's a strange take you have there if you believe otherwise?
The fact that Vidic and Evra (who signed almost 20 years ago) are universally used as the examples for this kind of proves my point.
It will depend on the player.
There’s a big difference between the likes of Cunha and Mbeumo (mid 20s, experience in the PL) and the likes of Dorgu (20 years old, coming from a different league). You’d expect the former duo to fit in a little easier than the latter, which is why negativity around him in particular last year was frankly ridiculous.