Ruben Amorim - AC Milan head coach (not manager, or perhaps manager)
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The player quality in Italy is not what it was but the coaches acumen is still very high
When you've got Prem players and managers openly discussing the holes in his system no doubt the Italians will have him figured right from the off
He said it himself, he should've took a comfier job after us but as usual his ego has won out
Wouldn't be surprised to see him gone by xmas
When you've got Prem players and managers openly discussing the holes in his system no doubt the Italians will have him figured right from the off
He said it himself, he should've took a comfier job after us but as usual his ego has won out
Wouldn't be surprised to see him gone by xmas
Even though he's not our problem anymore, that video clip gave me shivers. Just hearing that voice takes me back to the darkest times ever.
Better than I could have put it.
They look delighted.
Has the lad on the right got a boner?
As long as he signs Mount.
They don’t look inspired or pleased (the players)
Haha I thought this was a gag but it's verbatim. What a nightmare to work for.
I think he’ll be a success there.
They have a decent back line, Estupinian and Saelemakers are better wingback options than anything we had to offer, Nkunku, Pulisic and Leao will be good 10s and they’ve signed Ramos.
The league is a bit weaker. He’ll have control of games and I think he’ll do well
They have a decent back line, Estupinian and Saelemakers are better wingback options than anything we had to offer, Nkunku, Pulisic and Leao will be good 10s and they’ve signed Ramos.
The league is a bit weaker. He’ll have control of games and I think he’ll do well
People can change, especially young managers just starting out. If he's smart, and he can adapt tactically - he may actually be better at some things there than he was with us. But those are just tactical choices - whether he's rigid about the system, whether he can change roles to accomodate players he has, whether he is willing to change things around in a game when the situation demands it. It's a long ask, but it can be done - he has a lot of scope to reflect on and learn from life in the PL.
What is difficult to change is who you fundamentally are as a human being - and he was just not a very good one, was he? You can't suddenly find courage if you are used to being a coward all the time. You won't suddenly be accountable if you're used to blaming others at the first sign of trouble. It must be all sunshine and roses for the Milan fans right now - new charismatic manager, smooth talking, has won things, refreshingly 'honest', the club spending money on new signings. They might even start the season well while other teams try to figure our the formation and how to respond to it.
The real test will come once the chips start to fall. Once you're lost a few games because of your tactical choices, once certain players are not responding or doing well in your approach, once you don't get the immediate transfers or results that you want when you do change things, once a key player or two get injured and he's losing games in a row and they go tumbling down the table and he has to rally the troops. He'll get to that moment of reckoning much faster if he doesn't tactically adapt, but he'll get there nonetheless - all managers do.
I would be massively surprised if things go anywhere other than off a cliff once he gets there, because he's just a shit human being in general and doesn't have an ounce of fortitude in him. If he's clutching at tactics boards and hiding in dugouts while his team is taking penalties, and then falling apart emotionally in conferences blaming the players, you know you've watched the movie before.
What is difficult to change is who you fundamentally are as a human being - and he was just not a very good one, was he? You can't suddenly find courage if you are used to being a coward all the time. You won't suddenly be accountable if you're used to blaming others at the first sign of trouble. It must be all sunshine and roses for the Milan fans right now - new charismatic manager, smooth talking, has won things, refreshingly 'honest', the club spending money on new signings. They might even start the season well while other teams try to figure our the formation and how to respond to it.
The real test will come once the chips start to fall. Once you're lost a few games because of your tactical choices, once certain players are not responding or doing well in your approach, once you don't get the immediate transfers or results that you want when you do change things, once a key player or two get injured and he's losing games in a row and they go tumbling down the table and he has to rally the troops. He'll get to that moment of reckoning much faster if he doesn't tactically adapt, but he'll get there nonetheless - all managers do.
I would be massively surprised if things go anywhere other than off a cliff once he gets there, because he's just a shit human being in general and doesn't have an ounce of fortitude in him. If he's clutching at tactics boards and hiding in dugouts while his team is taking penalties, and then falling apart emotionally in conferences blaming the players, you know you've watched the movie before.
Agreed, I even think we were starting to get the hang of his system, there were games we looked genuinely good. Just there was no consistency, it was taking far too long and the PL is a cruel division.
Glad we sacked him but I don't have any hatred of the guy, he clearly gave it everything he had here and I personally admired his determination to do it his way despite all the pressure being piled on him.
I'll probably get hated on for saying something vaguely positive.
Well-spotted.
Very motivational. Has me wanting to clean my kitchen that I've been avoiding all day.
But they "WILL" suffer.
Those two are our weakest link.
Very interested to see how he gets on at Milan.
The pressure was a result of unparalleled atrocious results.Agreed, I even think we were starting to get the hang of his system, there were games we looked genuinely good. Just there was no consistency, it was taking far too long and the PL is a cruel division.
Glad we sacked him but I don't have any hatred of the guy, he clearly gave it everything he had here and I personally admired his determination to do it his way despite all the pressure being piled on him.
I'll probably get hated on for saying something vaguely positive.
I’d have more sympathy if he didn’t bottle a European final to a terrible Spurs side playing “his way”, or alienated one of the biggest academy talents we’ve had in decades to the point of him being on a brink of leaving in favor of some random clogger from the Portuguese league.
And also, regarding the Spurs final.
I remember him saying something along the lines of “we know how Tottenham play”, in the presser before the final, but did he really?
Because Spurs were set up completely different in the semis and the quarters of the EL than they have in the league.
They played a very defensive low block, what was the point of playing 5 at the back against that?
He was a terrible United coach, it was all willfully hideous.
Five at the back against Valenzana from the 4th division in the cup incoming.
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I defended him because I thought it wasn't all negative but the fact he couldn't acknowledge our fans for 6 months after the sack was really disappointing for me. All the other managers we had did it in matter of days or weeks. Amorim only said something in Milan presser when he was asked about it. He can dislike our board or even players but fans were with him from start to end and even after the end.Agreed, I even think we were starting to get the hang of his system, there were games we looked genuinely good. Just there was no consistency, it was taking far too long and the PL is a cruel division.
Glad we sacked him but I don't have any hatred of the guy, he clearly gave it everything he had here and I personally admired his determination to do it his way despite all the pressure being piled on him.
I'll probably get hated on for saying something vaguely positive.
Two worst things under Amorim were EL final defeat and Mainoo being frozen out to the point he was about to leave the club. Other things you can live with. Also selling Garnacho and couple of others were good decisions.
Ya, seen this movie before.
All that faux-passion just to tell his players to repeatedly pass it between the 5 defenders before hoofing it long.
"SUUUFFFFEEEEERRR!!"
Did he really? In my mind, if you refuse to do the most basic things that are painfully obvious and necessary, all because you can't handle the thought of deviating from the one single plan you have to your name, you've not done everything. Everyone could see what he was doing wrong, and they were completely unforced errors. For all intents and purposes, he elected to fail because he preferred that over "losing face" when it came to his system. I don't call that giving everything. I don't even call it making an effort. I call it sabotaging your club. Absolutely horrendous manager.
Sacked by Christmas
happy again
Couple months into the season he'll be watching training sessions from miles away, behind a fence. Every week getting further and further away. That actually happened, really wish I was joking.
Probably by Saint Martin's day just in time to eat some chestnuts in Portugal.
They're trying to sell Estupinian, Leao publicly asked to leave and Nkunku is tragic
Nah, zero chance that happens, I guarantee it
Cup only goes down to 3rd division
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So he might actually be a manager, not head coach. They obviously have no DoF in situ. Absolutely bonkers that they see what he does at United and go all in on him.
So he might actually be a manager, not head coach. They obviously have no DoF in situ. Absolutely bonkers that they see what he does at United and go all in on him.
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Questa è la peggior squadra di calcio nella storia del Milan.
Before or after Amorim joined?
Pretty interesting that he'll manage a fellow midfielder who was the best in Europe for a while who is born in the same year (Amorim and Modric).
First pre-season game today away at Celtic, went 2-0 down early doors but came back to draw 2-2
Loves the young players, wants them to stay
Already doubling his goal-per-gane rate at United, stunning.
Based on the clips in this thread from his first days at Milan, he seems to have strange interpersonal skills.
Was he also like this with us?
I seem to remember more of his press conferences rather than the bits we might have seen from Carrington
Was he also like this with us?
I seem to remember more of his press conferences rather than the bits we might have seen from Carrington
What do you mean by that?