Ruben Amorim. Fired for being crap. Full stop. Just another addition for Amol as he loves it

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My first time on Redcafe since late December. Obviously Amorim's United threads are closed now. Still really sad he's gone and think results have been decent enough so far this season (not like other teams are doing wonders so far). All previous managers I was sure they had to go, though I felt bad for Mourinho and Ole. Hope we don't regret it. He's a young coach still learning a lot and that's why it's understandable he made mistakes. Believed we should've stuck by him through all of that and give him time like Arsenal did with Arteta.

But on topic: hope he has a successful career, just not with any of our rivals. Good luck to him.
 
Probably going to be hired by Leverkusen or Palace or team that can play 3 at the back with wingback. After the United’s spell, I think clubs will be careful hiring him now since he’s obsessed with 3 at the back and his obsession to even sacrifice the club even if they are in danger to get relegated just for the sake of playing his 3 at the back.

Liverpool initially looked at him as Klopp’s replacement but because he played 3 at the back and the board thought that Liverpool don’t have the squad to play 3 at the back, they went Arne instead and won the league.
 
JE-0801 said:
Probably going to be hired by Leverkusen or Palace or team that can play 3 at the back with wingback. After the United’s spell, I think clubs will be careful hiring him now since he’s obsessed with 3 at the back and his obsession to even sacrifice the club even if they are in danger to get relegated just for the sake of playing his 3 at the back.

Liverpool initially looked at him as Klopp’s replacement but because he played 3 at the back and the board thought that Liverpool don’t have the squad to play 3 at the back, they went Arne instead and won the league.
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They then signed Frimpong and Kerkez, who would probably be better in three at the back. :lol:
 
So what was the reason for his failure:

1. He is not good enough

2. Players are not good enough

3. The team was getting better but he wasn't given enough time

4. He is good enough but his temper / mentality hold him back
 
I could see him become a technical director at a club ala Klopp or Ten Hag. He has made an absolute fortune from his time as United manager. He doesn't need to work again.
 
L1nk said:
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Let's be honest the cowardice and ineptitude shown in that Everton defeat against 10-men at home, was justification enough for him to lose his job (and that might have been what he was hoping for). The fact he survived even after a year of abject failure shows the patience the club had in him. He really has no reasons to feel hard done by.
 
Tallis said:
So what was the reason for his failure:

1. He is not good enough

2. Players are not good enough

3. The team was getting better but he wasn't given enough time

4. He is good enough but his temper / mentality hold him back
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3 and 4 mostly, but a bit of 1 and 2 also

There are obvious gaps in the squad and 1st team that no coach can cover without investment. We all knew AFCON would be a rough period for the team with missing players too.
Amorim has improved the team and they will get better as they play together- we bought a new front line, it takes time to gel, but he also lacked some ideas for beating teams that sit back and counter but had been improving by seeing what works in the league. Over his tenure he let his ego and pride over his system take priority over results.

That said, I do understand the basic logic of 'you had £65m for Semenyo, where is it for a midfielder ' but let's be frank the squad replenishment budget needs to spend wisely and spending as much as £30m more for a player you want to get them in January would not be smart
 
Tallis said:
So what was the reason for his failure:

1. He is not good enough

2. Players are not good enough

3. The team was getting better but he wasn't given enough time

4. He is good enough but his temper / mentality hold him back
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Yes.
 
Perro Caca said:
I could see him become a technical director at a club ala Klopp or Ten Hag. He has made an absolute fortune from his time as United manager. He doesn't need to work again.
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Who on earth would employ him as a technical director.

You that would mean the coach would effectively have to play his 3 at the back?

Employ a technical director that has zero flexibility on the way the game should be played, and one that has very little experience compared to the examples you have presented.
 
Tallis said:
So what was the reason for his failure:

1. He is not good enough

2. Players are not good enough

3. The team was getting better but he wasn't given enough time

4. He is good enough but his temper / mentality hold him back
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1 - he just simply was not good enough. Whether he can learn and develop into someone good enough for a big club is possible but he is far from emotionally mature or stable enough for it now.

He couldn't win enough games consistently, winning back to back games once is pathetic and far worse squads do it. Constant threatening to quit, showing lack of confidence in himself and team and stubbornness to keep doing what isn't working are all easy reasons.

He was acting erratically for a while, he wanted to be sacked and got his wish - that "manager" rant was just utter nonsense designed to overstep the mark.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Wow, those are some direct shots fired.
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Interesting he chooses to get involved. But I cannot disagree with what he is saying. Not one player improved under Amorim, nor really under ETH who had his favorites. We have had two coaches who have not improved the players they have. I am still not sure Hojlund was ever good enough for us but we did not play to his strengths, though nor did he really suit our style of play.
 
Benfica after Jose? He grew up a Benfica fan and obviously played for them too. The only thing that would stop him would be his connection to Sporting.
 
Gordon'sHill said:
Interesting he chooses to get involved. But I cannot disagree with what he is saying. Not one player improved under Amorim, nor really under ETH who had his favorites. We have had two coaches who have not improved the players they have. I am still not sure Hojlund was ever good enough for us but we did not play to his strengths, though nor did he really suit our style of play.
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His weakness is too jarring question should be asked : why buy him for a good money in the first place?

We're looking for main striker, yet we buy unproven young player

Stupidity as usual
 
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I think it’s either the Portuguese league for him, or a tier-2 national team. I might be wrong, but I get the impression it’s easier to find success with the back five at the international level—so someone might give it a go.

I have no idea why any big club in a major league would be willing to take a chance on him. He’s a terrible manager with a huge ego and inadequate man-management skills. He’s the kind of boss you’d hate working for: always blaming everyone around him and taking no responsibility (basically what Conte said).

He could probably make a decent TV presenter or expert. He loves to talk and, more importantly, as we’ve seen over the last 15 months, plenty of people love to hear him talking.
 
Late In May 1999 said:
I think it’s either the Portuguese league for him, or a tier-2 national team. I might be wrong, but I get the impression it’s easier to find success with the back five at the international level—so someone might give it a go.

I have no idea why any big club in a major league would be willing to take a chance on him. He’s a terrible manager with a huge ego and inadequate man-management skills. He’s the kind of boss you’d hate working for: always blaming everyone around him and taking no responsibility (basically what Conte said).

He could probably make a decent TV presenter or expert. He loves to talk and, more importantly, as we’ve seen over the last 15 months, plenty of people love to hear him talking.
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Are we sure that's true? Don't think he was doing that often and also basically never mentioned refs either which is quite rare with managers.

Also on Hojlund: seems like he's having decent season but not exactly doing wonders at Napoli. And obviously Serie A is not same challenge as Premier League.

It's likely Amorim wanted out given those comments before/after Leeds. Saying he came to be a manager and not head coach feels like something he said to get sacked because think title has been changed to head coach since June 2024 when ten Hag's role was changed.

He's a coach with big potential but still only 40 years old and still learning. He'll bounce back, United and PL were great experience no doubt.
 
Beyond everything about tactics, system, in game management I don't understand how anyone could look at Amorin and see a man capable of dealing with the pressure of a club like Utd, always gave the impression he was on the verge of hysterics . Supposed to be the adult in the room but was as volatile as any young player.

The man who hid in the dugout during a penalty shoot out against Grimbsy doesn't inspire confidence that he can joust with the best in the world during high pressure matches.
 
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Conte is not wrong. One can argue the point that Amorim should have been given more time, but his arrogance is what did him in. He refused to budge off his ideology even while it was as clear as can be that his ideology wasn't working. The team performance against Spurs in the EL cup final was the knife in his own back, Brutus stabbing himself instead of Julius.
 
Conte is absolutely correct if those quotes are true. I never appreciate a coach coming to a new club and immediately dismissing his players, something Amorim did almost immediately. Your primary job is to get the best out of players you have, fool.
 
With 30 million in my bank account I'd be doing cart wheels on Ibiza beaches for at least ten years at his age and maybe consider a new job at age 55 but that's just me and probably half the world population.
 
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