Let't not forget he was 'forced' to come mid-season, he was practically a prisoner here.
And yes we did have to suffer, suffer through him being the manager.
Ruben Amorim. Fired for being crap. Full stop. Just another addition for Amol as he loves it
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Let't not forget he was 'forced' to come mid-season, he was practically a prisoner here.
And yes we did have to suffer, suffer through him being the manager.
HE was the problem at the club, which should be staggeringly fecking obvious to all now, and he had absolutely no idea what he was doing. Thank feck our recruitment team ignored the clueless numpty.
Let’s not forget he completely froze out Casemiro* (started just 4 of his first 16 games) and publicly said Cas didn’t have the characteristics he needed all whilst conceding set piece goal after set piece goal every game. He then tried to get rid of Mainoo because it was Mainoo vs Fernandes as central midfielders.
Imagine our results if he’d managed even to get Cas to leave that first January window like he wanted
Give no credit to man so fecking clueless for anything, he was playing darts with a blindfold.
* so stupid he was that our record with and without Casemiro in those first 16 games was.
Without: played 12, won 1, drew 3, lost 8.
With: played 4, won 2, drew 1, lost 1.
For the entire spell with Amorim last season.
Without Casemiro: 0.5 points per game
With: 1.4 points per games.
The man was an absolute bum.
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What am I 'doubling down' on exactly? Yes I don't rate the squad as highly as others and I've been consistent on that. I defended some of Amorim's results because of it, and I thought 6th was a reasonable position at the time. Is that it?
The smilies are because I found it funny a poster was trying to dig me out for exactly the same thing he did (worse he wanted rid of ALL) when the 'squad' continued to be exposed under Fletcher and he couldn't blame the manager for everything. Bizarrely tagging me in multiple threads.
I don't mind our first XI which we now have back with key players (after missing for all of December) and Carrick is doing a good job with it. I'd have the same concerns with the 'squad' if we're missing multiple of them again though.
What you'll find if you go digging in that thread is multiple posts from me saying the quality of players available is more important than any manager, which is not the 'Pro Amorim' many of you read it as. I stand by it under Carrick or any other manager.
Come on LB, you constantly banged the “system isn’t the problem” drum, when it’s staggeringly obvious it was a massive problem.
Players now look comfortable, Sesko, Amad, Dorgu, Dalot look far better. Cas looks better, Mainoo looks better.
Results and performance are far better than in Amorim’s horrific system.
Players now look comfortable, Sesko, Amad, Dorgu, Dalot look far better. Cas looks better, Mainoo looks better.
Results and performance are far better than in Amorim’s horrific system.
We do look better. We also had a record this season with Amad starting RWB of played 10 won 6, drawn 4. With close to our best XI available we weren't that bad, stats back it up. The huge drop off in quality outside of it is the problem.
Which areas of the squad do you feel have huge drop off in quality?
I'd say Ugarte is a huge downgrade on Casemiro for a start.
It’s actually 17 starts, 7 wins, 6 draws, 4 losses.
Still not a great record for a normal manager, bloody brilliant for Amorim standards though.
But therein lies the problem with that dogshit system though, if Amad gets injured this week, we simply move Mbeumo into his best position and play Sesko up top. That dogshit system made everything so much more difficult.
We have cover almost everywhere in this system, where even replacement players are in their regular positions.
When your system is a bit shit with everyone available (the best you can muster is “we weren’t tha bad”) and is absolutely fecked with one injury, what does that tell you about the system?
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About the only call he was proved right on in the end.
Ok so at RWB, 10 games, 3 draws, 1 loss and 6 wins.
But still, he started 15 games and his manager wanted a full back at wingback, as he often did last year.
Nothing was stopping Amorim playing him at WB in those games, except Amorim himself, much like he did last season.
But you surely can admit, that replacing Amad at LWF for Mbuemo is significantly better than replacing Amad at WB with Dalot or Maz? Even before we get into the fact that Amad himself is clearly better at LWF and that Maz and Dalot are clearly better at RB??
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What key players missed all of December? What key players were missing when we won 1 of the 4 games we played in November?
Why are you so obsessed with the worst United manager since the 1970s and one who will rightly go down as one of the worst in PL history for any club. Why defend his results? The football was largely turgid and dull. He was not a United manager, he had zero interest in our youth set up. He didnt care for this club at all. We are already starting to have injuries, thats part of football. When Amorim had full squad available we were still poor. He cost us tens of millions of lost revenue and wasted a year. We can all agree the squad needs improvement, if that is your basic point, we get it. You don't need to keep posting. If you actually want to keep defending Amorim, then suggest you and a few of his diehard fans form their own little forum.
100% this, I felt convinced Amorim would fail from early on as his tactics unfolded. But for me the EL was the worst performance in a final I have ever seen from this club. Devoid of energy or passion and a manager who looked clueless. And people still defended him. He should have gone then, or indeed Grimsby where he was a little boy hiding away.
No it was as I said. He didn't start the Arsenal game, stop trying to try make out I'm wrong.
Yes he could have played differently, but the system wasn't the root of all evil you want to believe. It could work with the right players. And yes we all prefer 4-2-3-1.
Obsessed with a manager I didn't make a single post about here until a strange poster kept tagging me (who wants all the players gone).
This is too misunderstand Amorim''s tactics. Playing Bruno in a midfield two cost us defensively, he was personally at fault for several goals due to his lack of positional awareness in a two. He did still deliver assists and goals as his role was to be the more advanced of the CMs and receive the second balls and know downs from the two 10s and CMs, who were the primary outlet for passes from the CBS. But even then this limited his role and at times he was occupying the same space as the 10s, again reducing out attacking threat. Whilst Amorim at times had a number of attacking players on the pitch, his rigid system and build ups severely limited their effectiveness, including for Bruno.
It is a collective therapy thread now.
He wasn’t. Lots of managers join mid-season.
He was simply making excuses the day he got here, and continued until the day he left.
Just think of how pathetic it is. We didn’t kidnap him.
He arrives at this big job, and immediately says he didn’t want to be here. The signs were there from the start that he wasn’t the right man.
Sorry, i was being flippant. Plenty do wait till summer too though. That's normally a recharge batteries type of situation though. Hes a young guy in management terms and should have been raring to go if he was really confident.
Then it’s simply cherry picked beyond belief. It’s a tiny sample of the 14 months Amorim was in charge, and it conveniently excludes the games against City and Arsenal that we lost and in which Amorim once again was too coward with his system that he wanted fullbacks at wingback as was so often the case during his time here.
It’s almost like you’re trying to find the only argument left to show that the system was okay, it wasn’t. The system was shit, the system didn’t suit our players, the system was even worse when players were missing. Everything about that system was dog shit and when the manager had Amad available he still didn’t get anywhere near good enough results or performances.
You were wrong, it WAS the system as is abundantly clear now. Just hold your hands up.
Calm down with this rhetoric. This is not the inquisition and people can post and have any footballing views they wish. Some will be scrutinised more than others for their views is all.
There was plenty of rhetoric from the Amorim supporters over the last year, far worse than what I have just posted. I was on the receiving end of plenty, as were others. Can I ask if you also posted the same then? Genuinely curious.
Well obviously not because you have egg on your face. The gaslighting is strong in this one. You were wrong. How hard is it to admit that?
Here he is
I stuck by him until the end but more importantly match-going fans stuck by him until the end (especially the incredible away support) so it does suck that almost a full month since the sacking he hasn't released the statement thanking the fans for great support they showed him. Every manager did it in matter of hours or days, he's been gone since 5th January. Something that really bothers me. Our fans deserve more than this/nothing.
He doesn't care and never did, which is what many of us have been saying. Should be a lesson learned that nobody should have unconditional support just because of their job position. Doubt anything willl change though.
It was clear that he checked out
That 3 win-streak he mustered in October has ironically cost us dearly this season. If Carrick joined in November/December we'd be much closer to Arsenal and probably still in the FA Cup.
Imagine his standing in world football if he had been sacked immediately after Grimsby.
Not a single player improved under him
Baffling that anyone think he's deserves any credit
Baffling that anyone think he's deserves any credit
Our pressing structure was much better under him and I think we’ve been pressing in quite a similar manner under Carrick, so it seems like a legacy he has left. That’s probably the only thing that he can take credit for.
"If he finishes 8th that would be an achievement"”It’s not the system”
Fair play to the bloke, he charmed enough people to such a degree they were willing to suspend reality in order to excuse him. It’s a degree of cult worship and gaslighting no other post SAF manager has come close to.
We actually had posters attempting to convince us that we should ignore all of last season and then pretend that his 1.55 points per game haul this season (and sharply trending downwards) was some sort of super human improvement that was the maximum these shit players could produce with any coach/manager.
I’d argued with @InspiRED when Carrick was hired that I was 100% certain he’d piss all over Amorim’s points per game haul. Now obviously Carrick aint gonna keep up 3 ppg, but I fully expect his interim spell to end with him close to 2 ppg. The players are far better than many fans gave them credit for due to that rank awful system.
Imagine half the fanbase was okay with these kinds of standards after buying Lammens, Sesko, Cunha and Mbeumo.
"He told us we'd suffer" is the funniest excuse, as if being upfront about how shit you're going to perform magically makes all performance expectations go away.
I call out what I see or what is reported.
Amorim never gave a crap about United. It was all about him and his goddamn flipping stupid formation from Day 1. And it turns out he's completely shite at training that formation despite being wedded to it.
I think he cared even less than Mourinho did for the good of the club
Genuinely was bizarre to witness how far some would bend reality to support Amorim.
He was so shite there was literally no argument they could come up with that would stand up to their own logic. Reminds me of the flat earthers that ended up proving the earth was round.
Agreed, it was ”genius” in hindsight though. Never in a million years did he say that meaning we were gonna finish the season that shit on 41 points but his apologists lapped it up.
I'm sure, given the choice, most managers would prefer to start at the end of the season so they have a full preseason and transfer window to mould their squad. But that doesn't mean we're wrong to insist on starting immediately. We shouldn't be delaying it when all the pieces are already in place.
We wanted him, he wanted us, he just would have preferred to join later.
But us delaying means we have to go with a second choice for the rest of the season and potentially with no guarantees that he'll join when the time comes. Even if we get all the contracts signed ahead of time, it just needlessly leaves so much in flux.
I'm all in favour of the die hard Amorin fans to be confined to one single forum all by themselves, where they can circle jerk.
His system might have worked if he had elite players in every position.
It didn't work just having better players than most of the teams he played in every position.
Value of the system is not obvious.
It didn't work just having better players than most of the teams he played in every position.
Value of the system is not obvious.
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