How much this fraud has cost us from eliminating us from every cup (Spurs, Grimsby and BHA)? Does anyone know?
Ruben Amorim. Fired for being crap. Full stop. Just another addition for Amol as he loves it
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Same, he lost me at Everton. It was like a magnifying glass exposing pretty much all his flaws. Tactically clueless, no guts whatsoever, and it was crystal clear to me that he cares about proving a point more than winning. For most of his time here I gaslit myself into thinking this will pay off long term, because he was a really likeable guy, and we've all had our doubts about our players. Never again.
There is variance that won't even out over 17 games in football just as there is when you flip a coin. Replay our last 3 games and you wouldn't expect the same results even if we put in the same level of performances.
I'm saying that if our performances continue at the same level as vs Fulham then that won't be good enough. Very different to giving a PPG estimation as I have no idea yet if the Fulham performance was a sign of things to come or not.
You can compare it with our games against Brighton, Burnley, Bournemouth, West Ham, Brentford and Villa if you want.
Yep, he never gave a shite about the club, fans or players but was solely in it for himself.
Read this evening he won't be making a statement to the fans until end of the season so there will be message after all. At least something.
Yeah I read that he doesn't want to cause a distraction. A little odd unless he's planning to come out a blaze Wilcox etc publicly. I don't think any previous managers statements have caused a meaningful distraction. Maybe Ole's interview could be deemed as over the top, but even that wasn't really a distraction.
He is probably waiting to see how the rest of the seasons goes so he fan either claim:
- it was down to him if the season goes well
- we would have done better if he wasn't sacked.
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Needs a preseason to draft a proper statement.
Look at you trying to draw me back into this awful thread, shame on you!
I don't agree it was 'sharply trending downwards' that's pure speculation.
Sorry pal.
But as for trending downwards, every statistic from 1st November to his sacking was sharply trending downwards, nothing speculative about it.
Plot twist: Amorim was actually a genius and this was all part of his master plan to propel United back to the top: early exits from all competitions, lighter schedule, and a clear run at a Champions League place with a new-manager bounce.
Coward. Can't even write formal letter before seeing where we will finish.
I had my fair share of shit takes on him but don't see why this thread is so active now? It gets bumped after every win in celebration like "See, I was right, you were wrong" more than anything else. He is gone, we're doing better, all that matters, no?
Hes probably cost us ~£100m in prize money. Thats obviously assuming we would have won the EL without him at the helm.
PL places are worth about £3m each.
£5m for winning the EL vs coming second
Spurs just got £45m in the CL for finishing 4th in the group stage
Lets say we would have finished 8 places higher in the league with a competent manager.
Thats £74m difference already. Thats excluding any cup competitions this season, gate revenues and obviously subsequent CL games.
There is so much money in football that a bad decision like this could end up costing the club well over £100m for a years worth of a shit managerial appointment.
Not really, no. More than one thing can be happening at the same time. We can be celebrating that we're doing better and at the same time reflecting back on the constant gaslighting by other fans and by Amorim himself. After over a year of being told we're not real fans to doubt the manager, that our reactions are knee jerk, impatient, that we don't understand the genius of the system that is just about to click, now people just want to pretend it never happened and we should just move on. Because talking about it somehow means we're not enjoying the wins.
Funny that isn’t it? As if the same people wouldn’t be going on and on about him if we weren’t winning.
Yet you don’t appear to have voiced any concerns at all after those games.
Was he really all that likeable? His unearned supreme arrogance was on show from day one.
I love arrogant people, if they're fecking good at what they do, but the Amorim appointment was more like giving the job to a idealist university student.
From 12 months ago he was entirely hateable.
Some threads are more about the posters than the topic at hand. Now a certain group is out there collecting their internet points. The last few managers have been quite divisive. And since discussions become personal fairly quickly, the discussions get heated and leave scars which will then fuel the next episode - that dynamic will most likely accompany us for a while going into the future.
Didn't know that he came out saying that he'll adress the fans to a later time. Seems a bit weird, I mean, nothing more than a halfarsed fare-well message was expected and I am sure, no matter what (and when) he says something, it'll be met with mostly the same reactions anyways. I'd be cool though to hear his perspective on what happened though, maybe it'll give clues to what happens behind closed doors.
Wht? The squad still needs a lot of work, we are still at least 2 years from a genuine challenge and several signings need to be spot on for that to happen. But we are back playing decent football, looking to attack end excite the fans. I will take that all day. Sure we will suffer some disappointments before
I saw this post yesterday and want to say its 10000% correct and I share your feelings. I genuinely began to hate him and that made me so annoyed at every poster on here who said 'I really liked him'. Its wierd, none of us have or will ever meet him. We have no idea what he is like in private. We did see him regularly shit on players and indeed the whole squad, which Eriksson said recently had a very clear impact on morale. We saw his lack of interest in the youth team, we saw his absolute stubbornness and refusal to ever change. Something that is 100% against all modern coaching trends, but no, its OK as its all the 'process'. Anyone who spent a couple of hours investigating his tactics, reading in depth reports and yes even some of the YouTube analyses would have serious reservations, as I did. There was a Portuguese who wrote a piece not long after Amorim joined, and all the concerns he raised proved 100% valid.
This my quote of the year:
'a dogshit manager with a dogshit system and dogshit tactics, will eventually get you only dogshit results'.
Not sure there is anything to add.
It's not really about reflecting, though, is it? It's more about getting back at posters who were always exaggerating in the first place. You really shouldn't take it to heart being called "not a real fan" by someone who thinks Amorim is a genius. There are posters on here who are doing nothing but pointing and laughing at posters who disagreed with them, and one of them was continously trying to convince everyone that Mbeumo was no better than Antony, and that we had absolutely no need for him. People have poor takes, it happens, but there are also wums on here who enjoy exaggerating to get reactions, especially the ones who call call Amorim a genius.
Think it just boils down to this, especially in this thread. It's more personal and more about getting back at the ones who they feel had a go at them from before.
This is the opposite exaggeration of the guy calling manager a genius and mastermind.
The fact that he got Sporting to win Primeira Liga for the first time in 20 years, continued to improve them to the point they won the league by 10 points and scoring the 2nd most goals in the league ever playing great football and doing well in CL is proof that he is not the worst manager ever. It's bizarre that this needs to be explained, but any manager that wins anything at all or has done really well at one point in his career is by default not the worst manager ever.
I really couldn’t give a feck what he did in a tin pot league where he appeared to strike gold. I’m willing to bet he’ll never find such success ever outside of Portugal and I’m very doubtful he could replicate it even there.
He managed United for 14 months, and there’s a huge argument to be made for him being the worst Premier League manager in history, only counting those who managed at least 30 games.
His record is worse than Christian Groß for fecks sake, a man notoriously at the top of many worst PL managers list, a man who turned up in London showing his tube ticket like Alan Sugar had just found him on the underground.
I’ll just say that again to let it sink in, Groß also started his job in November, and in his 30 PL games Groß won 33.3% compared to Amorim’s 31.9%, took 1.27 ppg compared to Amorim’s 1.23 and had the same GD.
Gross spent (adjusted for football inflation), about 41 million quid, Amorim 240m quid.
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Thanks for the numbers. It's staggering how he and Onana sabotaged the club for 2 years, with the latter cost us UCL KO stage singlehandedly.
That's the thing in particular. There have obviously been other managers in the PL who did poorly, but the worst ones mostly did it at small clubs with minimal resources and very little chance of success. Amorim came to a club that, while not quite a well-oiled machine primed for conquest, makes the degree of failure that he brought so much worse than if he had done it at, say, Burnley or Wolves. Even if things aren't perfect at United, we have the players and resources to where it should be a surprise when we don't beat small clubs. Instead he made it a surprise anytime we won at all, which he rarely did.
We absolutely have one of the five strongest squads in the league, but his influence was so ruinous that there was no team we could comfortably roll over. We had to salvage a hard-fought draw at home against one of the very worst teams to ever play in the PL. We lost at home to a mid-table team that had a player sent off after ten minutes. We lost to fecking Grimsby. Amorim was so awful that his presence caused this team to drop from a 7.5/10 to a 3/10.
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So why would you count those who only managed 30 games? There is a reason the others were fired before, immediately dismissing the argument that he is the worst manager of PL history. And the post I replied to said worst manager ever, not in PL after 30+ games.
This exaggerated shit is just tedious. Comparing decimals and tiny numbers to compare who is better.
I mean, the players do need to take some blame…could easily say “OMG!!! how much did Onana cost the club?”
Just leave it at…Amorim took over when United were 13th and left when they were 6th. Plus got rid of a bad bunch of players.
Left the team in a better place than he found it.
The End.
Excellent post and perfectly summarises how I personally viewed his entire tenure and you've also perfectly encapsulated how I felt since losing to Spurs in the UEL Final. I literally hate the man with every fibre of my being. I still cannot believe that troves and troves of our fanbase were willing to sit back and watch our standards plummet through rock bottom, just because their sweet Portuguese prince told them that this is the only way for us to return to the United of old.
New, young and even old learned United fans all ate this nonsense up and continuously backed him right until the very end, something that I believe is a damning indictment on said fans. Our away support, while we all agree is one of the best in the country, was making my stomach churn week in, week out, by constantly chanting that pathetic waste of spaces name when we were literally losing football matches? Utterly bizarre.
I can add even more context to the facts you've laid out as well:
It took him almost 40 games to get back to back victories. The Sunderland fixture, while the score line reads 2-0, we had our backs against the wall until we scored against the run of play. Ultimately, the home advantage is what got us over the line.
The mighty Liverpool win, while absolutely great as a United fan beating your age old rivals, there is so much context in that game it's quite amazing how so many of the Amorimsexuals decided to ignore it. Gakpo hit the post THREE times in that game and then also missed an open goal. If that fixture was to be played 10 times in a row, with the same chances created for both teams, we'd have lost it 9 out of 10 times.
Brighton wasn't easy either, it was ropey all the way throughout.
- We scraped past Burnley with a penalty in the 97th minute, which arguably wasn't even a penalty in all honesty
- We drew to Fulham but other than the first 20 minutes, the football was horrendous and we should've lost
- Lost to Grimsby while attacking a League 2 team with 5 at the back
- Humiliated 3-0 by Man City
- Scraped a 2-1 win against Chelsea, whereby when Chelsea went a man down, we looked like we were in fact playing with 10. When we lost Casemiro, we looked even weaker. If that game played out differently ie no red cards, it would've been another pasting
- Hammered 3-1 by Brentford. Whereby the coach in the other dugout is a set-piece coach by trade
- Threw points away at Forest, which also should've probably ended with a loss but we were saved by an Amad worldie
- Threw points away at Spurs and in fact almost lost it if it wasn't for a last minute equaliser from MdL
- Lost to 10 man Everton at OT. This is up there as one of the worst football results in our modern history when all context is applied.
- Scraped past Palace to win 2-1, another goal from individual brilliance (Mount freekick)
- Drew 1-1 to 19th placed West Ham at Old Trafford, and in fact if it wasn't for a couple of great saves from Lammens, we would've lost
- Drew 4-4 to Bournemouth. While it was 'fun' to watch, the performance was pathetic
- Clung on for dear life against Newcastle but won the game 1-0 in a 4-2-3-1. This fixture thankfully became the tipping point for the board to finally question the fraudulent feck
- Drew to (at the time) the worst team in PL history, Wolves, at Old Trafford, because he reverts back to his dogshit system. Again, we almost lost this game. Lucky to get a point from it
- Drew 1-1 at Elland Road in one of our fiercest rivalries and puts up a weak and pathetic performance
This thread is still open and I'm glad that it is. Hopefully it will show as a historical document to hold up to peoples faces just in case they are ever to be stupid enough to be swindled by one singular man, ever again. Long may this thread continue, and long may the fans that were against him after the UEL Final continue to display their liberation on the internet, for the history books to record.
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What's your dealer's number? I need whatever it is you've been smoking.
Why would you strip it of all context?
if you want to do that it could just as easily read, took us over 13 points off top and left us 17 points off top.
The end.
When he was SACKED (he didn't leave), we were 6th and 11 points off 3rd while being 4 points off 15th. He was sacked, and left the club closer to a relegation battle than the top 4.
Those are the facts.
The End.
No its not the end, dont be so arrogant. You are just another deluded fan boy, seriously please go and support his next club as he clearly means more to than our club. Statistically the worst manager we have had since the 1970s, and by some way the worst manager in PL history at a top team. He did not get rid of any players, decisions were taken by Ratcliffe. Possible exception of Garnacho who he cost us millions by publicly denigrating. Given him longer and he would have had Mainoo out.
We fleeced Chelsea for Garnacho. Such a nonsense narrative.
He cost us Garnacho millions?
You know we sold him for £40m, potentially rising and a 10% sell-on? We absolutely rinsed Chelsea.
Because we need to get rid of caretakers and managers brought in Feb or March to attempt to prevent an almost certain relegation.
And that aside, what reason is there that wasn’t there for Amorim besides patience from the board?
Amorim won just 4 of his first 15 PL games, losing 6. That would’ve gotten nearly every single manager of a decent side sacked. To continue that with just 5 wins in 20 PL games, with 9 losses says that ”patience” alone was the reason Amorim was kept on.
Problem is this everyone who backed him was so self righteous at the time like they were in on something everyone else wasn't, I mean me personally had at least two posters saying they would be quote posting all my posts when Amorim turned out to be a genius which of course was never going to happen, but that's maybe why some have taken it personally
I don't know, probably helped that we scored a lot of goals than from the season before and that we created more chances than anyone else. Problem was mostly defensively, as we couldn't just stop conceding. I think the board were hoping he could fix that, but he didn't. The idea that he is the worst manager ever in the history is just laughable. In our history, sure, but the world? It's just an unnecessary addition to the thread, as it's just a blatant lie.
In those first 20 games?
We scored 1.05 goals per game. The ”shit” ETH season previously we scored 1.5 goals per game.
So no, it wasn’t that. His record was one any other manager of a decent side would’ve been sacked for.
For comparison, after winning the league, Raneiri matched Amorim’s first 20 league games that following season, with 21 points. He was fired 5 games later, despite taking them to the fecking title the previous season.
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You lads sure know how to go around and around in circles, without tiring
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Whats your point matey? I was responding to another idiot trying to big up the worst manager we have ever had. Are you another fan boy?
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