I think he might have ripped a page out of my playbook.Ruben Amorim. Fired for being crap. Full stop. Just another addition for Amol as he loves it
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I think he might have ripped a page out of my playbook.I wish I had his money either way but no I just think he left us way better off than the shiteshow he inherited
Ah now I get it.Due to ineos signings and the removal of an absolutely shite manager.
I’d also argue that not only did ETH massively outperform Amorim in every single metric, and won two trophies, he was also there when we signed our two best central defenders and our best (by far) midfielder, he’s also fully responsible for our second best midfielder (you know, the academy lad your crush wanted to flog).
By all accounts Amorim was thankfully ignored and overruled on Lemmans / Martinez and Mbeumo / Semenyo. Ignored on Mainoo, and he was caught slagging off Dorgu.
But sure, you keep pretending to yourself he was responsible for anything positive you can grasp to la’.
I’d say Ineos came in, took over a team with plenty of problems and has slowly been resolving them since. They then fecked up with a horrendous managerial appointment and fans everywhere were still claiming United shite and Ineos clueless, it just took removing and absolutely dog shite manager to see some of their positive moves.
Our best current side is likely:
Lammans (Amorim didn’t want)
Maz (ETH) De Ligt (ETH) Martinez (ETH) Shaw (LVG)
Mainoo (Amorim wanted rid) Casemiro (Amorim attempted to shift and freeze out his first January).
Bruno (Ole: Amorim thought he was a CM
Amad (Ole: Amorim thought him a WB) Dorgu (Amorim slagged him off in front of players and media as a bag of nerves)
Mbeumo (Amorim want Semenyo)
You're a Ten Hag fan.
OK carry on
Sure he is (as am I), but he isn‘t wrong.
We almost lost Mainoo. Just let that sink in, on top of Amorim‘s horrible performance.
I don't consider that the tragedy you think it is. He's the least impressive of our 3 midfielders again. Hurray
Come on, there is no way that the team is better now due to him, than when he arrived. The players that left the club was not down to him and neither were the players that arrived in the transfer windows.
Try and name one player that he improved? The only reason we started this season in a decent manner, is down to Amad, Bruno, Mbeumo and Cunha. The former two were already our best players when Amorim arrived and the latter two are just incredible players that we managed to sign.
What has Amorim actually done to leave the club in good stead in the future?
Youre saying Ugarte over Kobbie?
You mean the least impressive player in a 3 man midfield is a 20 year old with only two years of senior football under his belt. That same midfield 3 that consists of 33 year old, highly experienced, 5 time CL winner Casemiro and Bruno Fernandes the most creative midfielder in world football, who will quite likely win PL player of the year this season.
We were a point better off relative to the top 4 when he took over vs when he was sacked.
He didn't he got rid of Garnacho that's it.
Debateable. So not the end at all.
For a start most of the positive things that have happened to the team over the last 15 months, had little or nothing to do with him.
I assume he means Bruno, although I do wonder if he also subscribes to Amorim's thinking that Bruno was better off receiving passes on the edge of his own box rather than playing as the number 10.
We've seen it before on here, they take it personally because they get so personally invested in these managers and coaches. No idea why, but each to their own I suppose.
Ten Hag 100% deserved the sack, and I despised his donut midfield.
But despite that, he was miles better than Amorim.
We were 3 points off 13th, so it's hardly the turn around in fortunes some seem to think it is.
Amorim was the standout front runner, in the 'who do you want as manager' poll some months ago on here. The Amorim pickers should be ashamed of themselves, hold your hands up now
These are the same guys now voting for Enrique btw
These are the same guys now voting for Enrique btw
By that logic ETH didn't mess us up and managers don't really have any input on the squad building, but looking at the ugly Ajax imprint on our squad you would have to blame him for what Ruben had when he walked through the door.
If you don't want to give Ruben credit for the improved squad and position fine but I credit him for the improvement over his term.
No StevocYou think Ugarte is better than Mainoo?
That explains a lot.
Casemiro- Bruno-Mainoo
Yes Trinity, I think Kobbie is the lesser of those 3. He might work on his flaws and become an effective 6 or 8 but right now he is neat and tidy and slow which seems to be a requisite for our midfielders these days.
But surely a manager as pilloried as Ruben would leave us worse off, not better, no?
He did make it worse. We finished 15. Then he got tons of quality players and still bottled the easiest league to win since 2015 and after his run of holiday draws the fact that we were close to top 4 was just lucky. Had he be fired post the Grimsby debacle we easily could have been in the title race.
He made us worse. We’d just finished 8th gaining more ppg than Amorim this season, and won an FA Cup.
Thankfully we sacked him though, and now we’re better off.
I mean, that’s how historically shit he was, despite all of INEOS good work in the market this guy still had us picking up less points per game than EtH’s worst shit season.
So with a better team (thank the recruitment lads), he still performed worse than ETH worse squad. How fecking shit is that!!! Let it sink in, and then remember how Carrick suddenly has them looking and picking up points at a much better rate than ETHs shit season.
What did an improved squad have to do with Amorim exactly?
It wasn't his job, he as he rightly pointed out during his one of many melt downs, was just the head coach.
Can we just add that if Ruud had stayed for just two more games, and beat a shite Ipswich side away and a terrible form Everton at home, both of which seemed very likely, we’d have been 6th.
And let’s be honest now, that’s how the board and United fans expected it to go with Amorim, to keep up Ruud’s good form and get us in contention for CL spots, because it was right there for us and Ruud had us in decent form.
Amorim drew to fecking Ipswich though, an early sign of just how wank he was going to be.
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There's been a clear change in our recruitment since INEOS has come in. ETH didnt sign De Ligt, Mazraoui, Ugarte, Zirkzee much as the same way Amorim didnt sign Lammens, Mbeumo, Cunha, Dorgu or Sesko. In fact ETH didn't even want Ugarte and wanted to keep McTominay. This has been explained multiple times in this thread that the head coach doesn't have same power as before in signing players but you still seem to ignore it.
Prior to that, sure the club followed his recommendations blindly by signing Onana, Antony, Martinez, Hojlund but even then Murtough was the one who negotiated those overinflated fees for them.
Bruno is a World Class player in his prime.
Casemiro is a world class DM having an Indian summer.
Mainoo is a 20 year old who's barely played all season.
When he took over we were bad, bad enough for Ten Hag to get sacked.
When he got sacked we were also bad. Bad enough in fact for Amorim to get sacked.
So he basically achieved nothing. He took us from bad to worse and then back to bad again after the club adding £250m worth of attackers. And only having to play once a week.
I just heard on the Athletic that he was the one who persuaded Bruno to stay. That helps
The head coach doesn't have Fergie power but he still has an input and Ruben's input was way way better than the previous clown.
And it shows. He has bags of talent but whether it amounts to anything beyond pretty sidesteps and ball recycling remains to be seen.
He's been playing senior football since 2023 so we'll probably know one way or another by next year.
I hope he turns out to be a leader for the team but he's regressed since 2024.
He performed the open heart surgery that was needed. He said it would be hard going. It was. He got us going in the right direction.
Also, we are finally 4th, we had so many chances to get in the top 4. If we had got rid of him earlier, who's to say we might not have 6-9 more points which would put us on potentially 47-50 points. With how inconsistent other teams, that would put us in contention for the title.
Yea he asked him to stay only to then try and nullify one of the best attackers/no.10 in the world by playing him at CM and often popping up as the deepest midfielder to collect the ball from the central defenders, far away from where he can do his best work.
His input was also to get the club to sign Martinez and Watkins who were valued at 30m+ and 60m respectively by Villa. So he would have wanted us to spend 100m on two players who probably have about 1-2 years at the top level and have already struggled a bit this season at Villa. He was no better than the others.
Hardly surprising playing under a guy like Amorim to be fair.
Or not playing under a guy like Amorim
He didn't really though, Ten Hag did. He failed as well.
Mostly because of him.
He didn't do anything positive for us at all really. His set piece coach made us better at scoring from set-pieces though, so he deserves credit for bringing him in.
Indeed, more to the point. You can't progress if the coach refuses to give you any/many minutes.
Does anyone actually think that the players we signed were only willing to come to United because of the opportunity to play under Ruben fecking Amorim, and would have declined if it wasn't for him?
If I recall, they weren't even the players that he said he wanted.
If I recall, they weren't even the players that he said he wanted.
Even Gyokeres refused to play under him again, for crying out loud
It wouldn't surprise me if Quenda picked Chelsea over United because he didn't fancy playing RWB again. If Chelsea are offering you a more attacking role as a RW then I can see why that would sway him.
Maybe I just made this up, but am I right in thinking that these sacked managers don't get a pay out but still get paid a percentage of their remaining time on the contract for as long as they are out of work. In other words, as soon as they take a new job, they forfeit whatever remaining money owned to them?
Yes, yes we can, I will have no bad word said about that great man.
Amorim, you can slag off all day long and I won't care, but at some stage we all need to put a line in the sand, and life is easier if you can find something positive to hold on to.
Binning off some duds in the squad and departing with United in a Top 6 position... those are the positives I have chosen.
He was very likeable imo, and what he has shown was more stubbornness than arrogance. In his mind he felt that he needed to stick to his principles otherwise no one would respect him anymore, he even said that to the press at one point. He wasn't wise enough to adapt, and he prioritized proving a point over winning.
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