Ruben Amorim. Fired for being crap. Full stop. Just another addition for Amol as he loves it

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Gordon'sHill said:
I am not going to post another word about Amorim, but I will repeat that many on here and the fan base need to have a look at themselves and ask what they are supporting, the club or the manager. We cannot go down these toxic rabbit holes again. The ETH and Amorim sagas were brutal when the results and performances were plain for all to see. Today is what I expect from Manchester United, win or lose. We attack and play good football.
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So, if someone was supporting the manager and trying to see the positives for as long as the club employed that manager, you are arguing that they were supporting the manager over the club? I don't agree with that.

If Amorim had us top of the table, would you be complaining about the way we were playing? I doubt it. He didn't, so he got sacked. Move on.

Also, let's see if we can replicate this performance before we dive off the deep end. This same team playing a similar set up last week were gobshite in the cup. Don't think you want to draw too many conclusions from a derby at home.

And for me, the ghost of George Graham could come drag us to a title with 30 1-nil wins and I would love every second of it. I support the club winning, not the club's 'DNA' or whatever people want to call it.
 
Amorim did take four points off Man. City last season....

However everthing about Man. United today just looked far more logical. It is what I call a common sense starting line up selection.

4-2-3-1. Bruno back at AM. Mainoo back in central midfield. Experienced backline all knowing their roles in their usual positions. Amad not at wing back.... Good sub options off the bench to keep the tempo up.

Man. United looks a pretty simple job going forward for any of the summer candidates watching this game really as plenty to work with in final third.
 
Fair to say today eclipsed the mighty Arsenal performance?
 
I think Amorim was a bad fit for us but sacking him without a proper succession plan was always going to be risky. I don’t think the plan was to get Carrick on board all a long with him waiting in the wings. If Carrick works out for us the board got lucky.
 
gaffs said:
Can we officially now say this guy was a fraud?
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It's been obvious for many since even before the EL final loss tbf. The numbers are even right there to back it up. Absolutely atrocious.
 
FootballHQ said:
Amorim did take four points off Man. City last season....

However everthing about Man. United today just looked far more logical. It is what I call a common sense starting line up selection.

4-2-3-1. Bruno back at AM. Mainoo back in central midfield. Experienced backline all knowing their roles in their usual positions. Amad not at wing back.... Good sub options off the bench to keep the tempo up.

Man. United looks a pretty simple job going forward for any of the summer candidates watching this game really as plenty to work with in final third.
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People were still moaning about it on here.
 
PoTMS said:
Worst manager we've had in the post-Fergie era and it's not even debatable.
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He is one of the worst PL managers ever, let alone Utd.

It was utterly baffling that so many refused to see it with him.

Utd have a talented squad, with some flaws that need work, but his defenders on here would have had us believe that pretty much every team we came up against had better players.
 
I have some level of respect for every one of our former managers. Amorim, I have none.
 
The fact we not only kept a clean sheet but never once looked like conceding was as damning as anything else about today’s performance. 14 months wasted.
 
Drainy said:
People assumed Antony would have a resurgence under him and he didn't have him..

Rashford was good enough to play for us

Garnacho too.
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We didn’t need Amorim to all see Antony couldn’t hack it in the PL.

Rashford was on his way out irrespective. Clearly best for all parties that he went.

Garna is the only one. The reason he was thrown out because he wanted to be the pitch!

I can’t think anything good Amorim did for the club?
 
FootballHQ said:
Amorim did take four points off Man. City last season....

However everthing about Man. United today just looked far more logical. It is what I call a common sense starting line up selection.

4-2-3-1. Bruno back at AM. Mainoo back in central midfield. Experienced backline all knowing their roles in their usual positions. Amad not at wing back.... Good sub options off the bench to keep the tempo up.

Man. United looks a pretty simple job going forward for any of the summer candidates watching this game really as plenty to work with in final third.
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City were crap last season, we beat them when they were losing games for fun and they were on a crazy losing streak.

The situation was different today as they came into the game having not lost 9 games in the league albeit drawing the last 3 games. We could have won by four goals.
 
#07 said:
1000% agree.

Cult leader Amorim really convinced a lot of people that our squad needed massive rebuilding by forcing his idiotic tactics on them.

How do you have top quality players and completely misplatform them and force them to play roles that highlight their weaknesses and not their strengths.

Man's an absolute charlatan. And INEOS has to eat a lot of s-t for going along with him for the ride...

...Just imagine we'd have got Carrick in after the Everton debacle.

Between the Board and Amorim nobody wanted to acknowledge they got it wrong and it was Man Utd who had to 'suffer' as a result.
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This is where INEOS were wrong. If we're really being honest, there's a good chance that they were shocked at just how bad he had the team playing by the beginning of February last season, like I did, but had too much pride to call it a day. It's a lesson. A bad manager is a bad manager, and you can spot it from day 1. Rebuilds are a massive scam for any United squad. Yes, buy players, but lets stop letting managers make us feel that what we have is terrible.

Look at the 11 we had today. Outside of Lammens, Mbuemo and Dorgu, all of them were here under ETH. We had rashford in place of Dorgu ( who is doing well in Spain) and Hojlund in place of Mbuemo ( who is doing ok in Italy). Did we need upgrades? Yes....and we did get them in Mbuemo, Sesko, Cunha and Lammens, but ultimately, both managers should have been able to get a tune out of the squads they had. Do we need an upgrade on Casemiro? yes. maybe even two ( competition for Mainoo), but nothing should stop this squad from being able to play decent football week in, week out.
 
acnumber9 said:
The fact we not only kept a clean sheet but never once looked like conceding was as damning as anything else about today’s performance. 14 months wasted.
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It's funnier when you consider that it was done with Casemiro and Mainoo in a midfield two. The amount of posters that condescendingly claimed that such midfield couldn't cover a back four is pretty large.

Also it should be said that one particular poster in here thinks that Amorim is a Football genius. :lol:
 
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Kayla40TS said:
So, if someone was supporting the manager and trying to see the positives for as long as the club employed that manager, you are arguing that they were supporting the manager over the club? I don't agree with that.

If Amorim had us top of the table, would you be complaining about the way we were playing? I doubt it. He didn't, so he got sacked. Move on.

Also, let's see if we can replicate this performance before we dive off the deep end. This same team playing a similar set up last week were gobshite in the cup. Don't think you want to draw too many conclusions from a derby at home.

And for me, the ghost of George Graham could come drag us to a title with 30 1-nil wins and I would love every second of it. I support the club winning, not the club's 'DNA' or whatever people want to call it.
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I said I was not going to say anything else about Amorim but I need to reply to this, We were not top of the league and had no prospect of it, so your comment is just stupid. He delivered the worst win rate in 50 years. There is seeing some positives and then there is defending absolute shite with some rubbish about resets, projects and the like. As for 30 1-nils I doubt we will ever see that George Graham approach again and I would not welcome any manager at United who tried to deliver it, nor would the OT crowd. You sure you know what this club is about? Anyway, over and out on that utter shambolic manager.
 
Gordon'sHill said:
I am not going to post another word about Amorim, but I will repeat that many on here and the fan base need to have a look at themselves and ask what they are supporting, the club or the manager. We cannot go down these toxic rabbit holes again. The ETH and Amorim sagas were brutal when the results and performances were plain for all to see. Today is what I expect from Manchester United, win or lose. We attack and play good football.
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Awful post. Fans support the club irrespective of whos in charge. Constant moaning while a bad manager is in charge doesnt make you a "better" fan
 
gaffs said:
Can we officially now say this guy was a fraud?
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I reckon i wanted him to succeed here. It was cool to have the manager with the new football vision, the cool different system which the rest of the teams can't figure out. But yeah, total fraud.

Sometimes, simple is just better
 
Semper Fudge said:
People were still moaning about it on here.
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What parts, Cunha getting dropped?

I said pre match one thing I didn't get about Amorim is he seemed desperate to try to get every single attacking player on the pitch at the same time. Some games Man. United had all of Sesko, Cunha, Amad, Mbeumo, Mount and Bruno all on the pitch in various positions. In the end most of them get in each other's way and you have nothing but Zirzkee to change things on the bench with 20 minutes left.

I think anyone watching that today saw the value in having Mount, Sesko and Cunha as "finishers" to keep the tempo up which has been a big problem for Man. United in second halves this season under Amorim.
 
BarryWinks said:
No, feck him! And those who stood by him while he dragged our club through the lowest of the lows to justify his thirst for acclaim of his dumb formation.
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He didn't drag the club to the lowest of lows. That was ETH and company who assembled the team that went from 3rd to 8th to 15th. United should have finished 14th or something the year they finished 8th. They were garbage. Amorim inherited garbage and INEOS told them to forget the league and win Europa.

Normal, logical people with IQ's above 80 realize that you judge Amorim on this year, and he improved us to 5th even with so many setbacks from injuries and AFCON. Without Afcon-- this team is 3rd.

Look at the squad today-- everyone back but MDL. First time in 9 matches they basically have everyone back. Finally an experienced CB pairing-- Mbeumo and Amad are back. Sesko, Mount, Cunha on the bench. When was the last time United had more than 1 attacking player on the bench? (And usually that attacking player was Zirkzee. Does he even count as an attacking player?)

I wasn't a fan of AMorim's formation either, but the dude came in, put his foot down and told Rashford and Garnacho to f off. He got rid of the cancers in the squad that people like ETH tolerated for FAR TOO LONG!!! The players actually seem to enjoy playing with one another, and barring Mainoo, none of them downed tools like they did with other managers.

We were on a serious decline under ETH, and just this season, we can see that we are back on the upswing and still have a top 5 finish in our sights. (Which I've argued before, if United stay healthy, they should finish at least top 5.) Fine margins, Afcon cost us at least 4 points-- that's top 3. Bad luck. Every team gets injuries, but United has the weakest squad depth of any top 5 team and injuries affect them more.

I'm sorry you have no logical reasoning skills, because anyone upset with United, should be upset with ETH and the 2+ years where he turned the squad from a top 5 squad to a bottom 10 squad. ETH who allowed the players to run the asylum.

Unlike ETH and OLE and other managers before, the team is in a better place now than when Amorim took over!!!!! Every other manager made the situation worse when they were sacked.

Bless your heart. I'm so sorry you just can't comprehend.

BTW-- it's 1 game, but it's a great start. You should be celebrating a United win over City. (A team with zero wins in their last 4 ePL games and a combined 2 goals.) But instead of celebrating the win you still have to take unnecessary shots at people. You are exhausting-- you and the same posters that when United were winning-- you still criticized the team. You are so miserable. For the first time in 3 years, United actually have a squad that can get us back into Europe. It's still far away from winning the league, but we are back on an upswing and fans should be cautiously optimistic.


TLDR: Just enjoy the derby win FFS.
 
I hope the Amorim crowd are opening their eyes to how damaging that 343 was.

And we looked way better defensively against City with a 4 man defence than we did with Amorims 3 or 5. City only managed 1 shot on target all game.
 
Gordon'sHill said:
I said I was not going to say anything else about Amorim but I need to reply to this, We were not top of the league and had no prospect of it, so your comment is just stupid. He delivered the worst win rate in 50 years. There is seeing some positives and then there is defending absolute shite with some rubbish about resets, projects and the like. As for 30 1-nils I doubt we will ever see that George Graham approach again and I would not welcome any manager at United who tried to deliver it, nor would the OT crowd. You sure you know what this club is about? Anyway, over and out on that utter shambolic manager.
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I've been a supporter since 1982. I know exactly what this club is about. But we haven't been about that in a decade and right now I would take a title win to get things back on track. Regardless how it came.

I know we aren't top the table. I asked you a hypothetical to try and show you that your stance was not logical. You wouldn't have been calling for the manager to be sacked had we been top of the league simply because you didn't like the formation or tempo of attacks. But, if you think a thought experiment is stupid, I can't converse with you. We aren't on the same level.
 
tjb said:
This is where INEOS were wrong. If we're really being honest, there's a good chance that they were shocked at just how bad he had the team playing by the beginning of February last season, like I did, but had too much pride to call it a day. It's a lesson. A bad manager is a bad manager, and you can spot it from day 1. Rebuilds are a massive scam for any United squad. Yes, buy players, but lets stop letting managers make us feel that what we have is terrible.

Look at the 11 we had today. Outside of Lammens, Mbuemo and Dorgu, all of them were here under ETH. We had rashford in place of Dorgu ( who is doing well in Spain) and Hojlund in place of Mbuemo ( who is doing ok in Italy). Did we need upgrades? Yes....and we did get them in Mbuemo, Sesko, Cunha and Lammens, but ultimately, both managers should have been able to get a tune out of the squads they had. Do we need an upgrade on Casemiro? yes. maybe even two ( competition for Mainoo), but nothing should stop this squad from being able to play decent football week in, week out.
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Completely agree.

Think of the points we have dropped. If the players had been platformed as they were today there's a chance we'd be in the title race.

For sure we don't lose at home to 10 man Everton using the 4231 we did today. The West Ham result, the Wolves result, the Leeds result...

As you say rebuilds are a scam and, if they're to be done, the Director of Football should be the one figuring it out so that a new guy can't just come in and say: 'f-k the fact you built the squad for 4231. I am playing 343 and not even the Pope can stop me.'

The Board has a responsibility pick players and coaches that suit the club's identity. Hopefully after this Amorim thing they remember that.
 
lolok said:
He didn't drag the club to the lowest of lows. That was ETH and company who assembled the team that went from 3rd to 8th to 15th. United should have finished 14th or something the year they finished 8th. They were garbage. Amorim inherited garbage and INEOS told them to forget the league and win Europa.

Normal, logical people with IQ's above 80 realize that you judge Amorim on this year, and he improved us to 5th even with so many setbacks from injuries and AFCON. Without Afcon-- this team is 3rd.

Look at the squad today-- everyone back but MDL. First time in 9 matches they basically have everyone back. Finally an experienced CB pairing-- Mbeumo and Amad are back. Sesko, Mount, Cunha on the bench. When was the last time United had more than 1 attacking player on the bench? (And usually that attacking player was Zirkzee. Does he even count as an attacking player?)

I wasn't a fan of AMorim's formation either, but the dude came in, put his foot down and told Rashford and Garnacho to f off. He got rid of the cancers in the squad that people like ETH tolerated for FAR TOO LONG!!! The players actually seem to enjoy playing with one another, and barring Mainoo, none of them downed tools like they did with other managers.

We were on a serious decline under ETH, and just this season, we can see that we are back on the upswing and still have a top 5 finish in our sights. (Which I've argued before, if United stay healthy, they should finish at least top 5.) Fine margins, Afcon cost us at least 4 points-- that's top 3. Bad luck. Every team gets injuries, but United has the weakest squad depth of any top 5 team and injuries affect them more.

I'm sorry you have no logical reasoning skills, because anyone upset with United, should be upset with ETH and the 2+ years where he turned the squad from a top 5 squad to a bottom 10 squad. ETH who allowed the players to run the asylum.

Unlike ETH and OLE and other managers before, the team is in a better place now than when Amorim took over!!!!! Every other manager made the situation worse when they were sacked.

Bless your heart. I'm so sorry you just can't comprehend.

BTW-- it's 1 game, but it's a great start. You should be celebrating a United win over City. (A team with zero wins in their last 4 ePL games and a combined 2 goals.) But instead of celebrating the win you still have to take unnecessary shots at people. You are exhausting-- you and the same posters that when United were winning-- you still criticized the team. You are so miserable. For the first time in 3 years, United actually have a squad that can get us back into Europe. It's still far away from winning the league, but we are back on an upswing and fans should be cautiously optimistic.


TLDR: Just enjoy the derby win FFS.
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Normal, logical people understand that Amorim holds no responsibility for the 40+ games he coached last season? That can't be a real thought process
 
FootballHQ said:
Amorim did take four points off Man. City last season....

However everthing about Man. United today just looked far more logical. It is what I call a common sense starting line up selection.

4-2-3-1. Bruno back at AM. Mainoo back in central midfield. Experienced backline all knowing their roles in their usual positions. Amad not at wing back.... Good sub options off the bench to keep the tempo up.
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This match was conducive to this type of performance tbf. I want to see them in a match were they can't sit in a deep block and look to attack off transitions against a high line

Although it must be noted that Amorim could have done the same thing at the Etihad(and tried) and they got smoked anyways
FootballHQ said:
Man. United looks a pretty simple job going forward for any of the summer candidates watching this game really as plenty to work with in final third.
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City are wide open and their defence which is subpar overall today was a calamity. United's attack was generally great under Amorim too, their poblem was it came at the cost of a terrible defence
 
DrRodo said:
Awful post. Fans support the club irrespective of whos in charge. Constant moaning while a bad manager is in charge doesnt make you a "better" fan
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What is 'moaning' exactly? I regularly pointed out his major tactical shortcomings and the very valid concerns that many expressed, but was met with a lot of hostility. Does it make you a better fan like all the top reds who wouldn't have a bad word said against him even as we hit new depths?

I support the club and always will. But it gets super toxic on here with people being rude and aggressive to defend the frankly indefensible and shouting down anyone who challenged the messiah. I have said repeatedly the fan base needs to stop the messiah complex. The next manager, Carrick or whoever, wont win us the PL. But they can certainly get us playing better football and bring some excitement and joy. If you don't think that is what supporting this club is about then some people are in the wrong place.

Anyways lets enjoy the result and see where we go next.
 
The day he was sacked, I said that we got our club back.

He was the worst thing to happen to this club in decades and managed to brainwash so many along the way.
 
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