My understanding is that they either negotiate a sum lower than remaining contract that allows them to work right away if they want to, or keep getting paid normally until they land another role.
Ruben Amorim. Fired for being crap. Full stop. Just another addition for Amol as he loves it
- Thread starter horsechoker
- Start date
- Status
My understanding is that they either negotiate a sum lower than remaining contract that allows them to work right away if they want to, or keep getting paid normally until they land another role.
Why are football fans so impatient nowadays. How will we know one way or another by next year, he would still only be 21.
Xavi is one of the GOATs and he wasn't lighting it up in his early 20s despite playing a decent amount. Most CMs do not peak until their mid-late 20s.
We are more or less in the same camp, but looks like your initial holding back didn't really help tamper your emotions or anger!
Because he begged not to come mid season. I imagine the least agreed was if you do come immediately you have next season to prove yourself. He didn’t see us as Chelsea or Madrid, rightfully so. We have the tendency to give our managers more time look how long it has been since we’ve won the league title and how many managers made it to their third season. I still believe we were very close to clicking with him a midfielder an actual wing back. He literally didn’t have a single wingback. Think Marcus Alonso, perisic.
When was the last time a manager made a real title push and then not get sacked for not doing so. Most of them made to the third season didn’t they?
My point is I do think he was under the impression he had more time early on, which was a mistake. He shouldn’t have been able to play 3 at the back till we signed those players. He would have done well with 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1
He would have had more time if his performance was even just passable. I don't think INEOS (or anyone) anticipated that he would be so amazingly awful that it became impossible to justify letting him stay. The club was probably prepared to be patient even if he was on course for 6th or 7th place, but the circumstances made it untenable. His total ineptitude in game management made it clear that he would drive this club to ruin if allowed to continue. The way he handled some of those games, like the Everton one, just proved that he was completely bereft of the most basic common sense.
Last edited:
People letting Amorim live rent-free in their heads...
Who the feck cares. He is not our manager, anymore. He didnt do anything memorable. If his name is not mentioned ever again, zero cares
Who the feck cares. He is not our manager, anymore. He didnt do anything memorable. If his name is not mentioned ever again, zero cares
Contender for worst post of the year?
Mainoo played himself into the English national team at age 19 under Ten Hag, and is massive under Carrick.
Olecurls only has patience for dog shit managers, not academy lads who’ve helped win us Cup finals and proven themselves for their national team.
I thought Ole was a terrible interview to be honest, lacked charisma and just not very concise. There was a bit of an 'ah bless' feel to them for me.
I’ve said some shit about Amorim these past 12 months but this comment above is almost implying that the man has a mental disability. No, Amorim isn’t a moron, he didn’t think the set of results he picked up was gonna be acceptable for a 3 year rebuild regardless of results.
Ruben Amorim first United interview:
He got an absolutely astronomical 14 months despite NOT WINNING GAMES, a feck tonne of time that absolutely no other decent club would have given him. The likes of Fulham, Bournemouth would’ve fired a manager who picked up a pathetic 1 ppg for 6 months.
For context, that point return would have United 17th now.
Even after 14 months and 240m he was still only picking up points at a lower rate than Ten Hag’s worst full season.
He wouldn’t have lasted 4 months at the majority of PL clubs, and he was absolutely miles away from anything ”clicking”, stop bloody fantasising man.
Ruud had us 4 points from top 3 when Amorim took over and we inexplicably then picked up a pathetic 1 ppg and ended 29 points behind top 3.
If this nonsense had been allowed to continue it’s very very safe to say he would’ve gained a maximum of 3 points vs. City, Arsenal and Fulham (although that feels generous) and we’d currently be 9th. No club can throw away season after season, losing hundreds of millions in the process, on a dream of a brighter future. Especially so when the manager has spent 14 months proving himself to be one of the worst managers in Premier League history, with a record worse than Christian Groß.
This will highlight just how horrendously shite your manager was and why your ”didn’t want to come mid-season” excuse is pure drivel. David Moyes returned to a god awful Everton mid-season, and managed 1.63 ppg from Jan to May. Even this year Amorim was managing just 1.55 ppg.
He was an absolute disaster from his first game vs Ipswich until his sacking, and he’s the luckiest manager on the planet that our board allowed that nonsense to continue for 14 months.
Last edited:
That just about sums up the mental gymnastics that were employed to defend a struggling manager who made virtually no progress in 14 months.
Good post.
He got more time than he would have at literally any big club on the planet, as all our managers do.
The fans and especially the club were incredibly patient with him, so he would have had more time to implement his super, duper, special brand of football that was about to sweep all before it. If only he'd have kept his fecking mouth shut, and limited his petulant public outbursts and unprofessional behaviour behind the scenes. He gets praise for getting rid of bad eggs (in truth only Garnacho has actually left), but Amorim himself was a bigger bad egg and toxic presence than the whole bomb squad combined. So while I find it hard to give him praise for publicly announcing Garnacho can leave and probably costing the club £10-15m. I am thankful for him acting like an unprofessional, entitled brat and getting himself sacked, thus freeing us of his own toxicity.
He has only himself to blame.
Not just big club.
Do you think Brighton, Fulham or Bournemouth would stick with their manager now if they had picked up just 1ppg this season and were sat in 17th with just 24 points on the board?
I mean, Dyche was sacked at Everton after picking up 17 points in 19 games.
This bloke picked up one point Per game for six months, then embarrassingly lost a European final against the worst Tottenham side in decades and was inexplicably allowed to continue in his job. There’s only a very special bunch of Man United fans that would then have the audacity to claim that the club weren’t patient enough or that he wasn’t given enough time .
He didn’t make the mistake of gambling on United not being like Madrid or Chelsea either…
Ruben Amorim first United interview:
Last edited:
He made the rookie mistake of not telling the Everton fans that they'd suffer to be fair
But that's absurd. We are the only club that gives manager a free pass for 3/4 of a season and still have fans claiming he should have been given more time. We are not talking big clubs here. He would have been sacked by any non-relegated club in the league. Guy had us playing in near relegation form for such a long time and that is somehow excused by him joining mid season. As if managers don't do that all the time. Carrick joined mid season and didn't tell us we have to suffer or to wait until next season to expect anything.
It’s just absolute nonsense.
Ragnick took over mid-season and wanted to implement a new way of playing, and he had nothing like the horrendous results of Amorim. Ole came in very successfully mid-season. Carrick has started off great.
Tuchel took over Chelsea in Jan, switched from 4-3-3 to a 3-4-3 and completely turned them around with over 2ppg and won the Champions League 4 months later.
On a lesser level, David Moyes took over Everton who had 17 points from 19 games under Dyche (0.89 ppg) and he immediately improved them to 1.65 ppg for the remainder of the season.
Only at United do some fans believe in this idea of a “free pass for a better future”, it’s utter madness.
Do these people honestly believe that had we hired Tuchel or Conte in November 2024 and they’d implemented their version of a 3-4-3, we’d have suffered with a point per game for over 70% of a season?
Why are you still posting the same tired, utterly inane stuff. He a football coach, its not rocket science. Other have pointed out that many managers join mid season and get results immediately. Look at Carrick, 3 wins in a row. Sure there will be bumps but he has come in, immediately changed the formation and got results whilst playing exciting football.
The obsession with time is ridiculous. You need to be actually achieving things and winning games, Amorim was doing nothing. And his rigid system was clearly holding back the team. Someone posted recently that the 'whole world' knew Amorim was special. Does that include the mighty West Ham who interviewed and then rejected him? Or Liverpool who didnt even bother with an interview.
Anyone persisting in posting this stuff frankly has no understanding of football or management. The main determinant of success for this club over the next few years will be recruitment and then appointing a manager who as a minimum does no hard. Ideally they make the team better, but we have had a succession of managers who made the team worse
You genuinely seem hurt by those posters. So what if they were acting self righteous? If you knew they were wrong, you've already won? This is a forum so people are going to have crazy opinions and act weird. There is also that anti-Amorim lad on here who are calling his defenders idiots and stuff. I'd say that's a bit worse than being self righteous.
This is one of the most bizarre threads on this forum right now. Same posters repeating yourself over and over and over, there's just no stopping. You're not even debating, it's just telling people how wrong they were and how it's your right to hit back at those posters for being self righteous. Very, very strange.
Most footballers have football sussed after about 4 or 5 years of senior football. Most don't start until their early 20s so therefore peak in their late 20s. Mainoo started at 17 so should have it sussed sooner or not at all .ie. Jack Wilshere.
I'm not impatient at all. If he takes ten years to peak, I'll just be surprised, that's all.
Truthful posts are the worst it seems
Unfair on Jack Wilshere. He had football sussed, his body just didn't hold up to the rigours of it.
Still no statement..
Saw somewhere reporting that he didn't want to "disturb" the club / players and that's why he hasn't done it.
Sounds like nonsense to me. Yeah if he did it NOW it would be a talking point, but only because he didn't do it in the first place. A quick thanks to the fans and the players, and probably pointedly not the management, would have been absolutely fine.
I read somewhere he isn’t going to put one out until the end of the season .
I have to admit that the only good think that Amorim did were the transfers, which, we do not know if they were his doing 100% or the board's.
Other than than, what happened on the pitch, absolute disaster, which was 100% on him and his staff.
Are people also aware that of the 5 coaching staff he brought with him from Sporting, 2 of them don't have their coaching badges and/or UEFA licenses. Just let that sink in for a minute or two...
Amorim and his entire band of merry men are complete frauds and have skipped away with a £12,000,000 compensation package. Not bad for trying your utmost to sink the biggest club in England.
Amorim and his entire band of merry men are complete frauds and have skipped away with a £12,000,000 compensation package. Not bad for trying your utmost to sink the biggest club in England.
Literally the only strange thing here is people who have been wrong for months constantly coming on here asking "why are you still talking about this, you are all weird!". The irony of you saying "this is a forum".
Have I been wrong for months?
You're the one calling people fanatics and yet continue to engage in "debates" with them.
100% agree, there were so many matches like this. He just wasnt a winner, the Europa league final was the one for me when he played 5 defenders for more than 70 minutes even though we were losing. Garnacho had every reason to be annoyed sitting on the bench.
Fair point most teams would have given him the boot ling before we did. As a club we are way too patient with coaches. To our detriment.
This bloke picked up one point Per game for six months, then embarrassingly lost a European final against the worst Tottenham side in decades and was inexplicably allowed to continue in his job. There’s only a very special bunch of Man United fans that would then have the audacity to claim that the club weren’t patient enough or that he wasn’t given enough time .
It's certainly odd. There's a group who seem to think we 'need' to have a few dogshit years of sticking with a coach regardless of results to ever be a top side again.
He changed his tune quickly. Probably realized early on he was out of his depth.
I don't think anyone thinks we need to do that, but question marks should be raised on how we select managers, how the board co-operates with them, what are the goals for that season, and if they are given the appropriate time and/or resources for a sustained length of time to actually build a team that can compete throughout a season with the top teams. Not saying Amorim wasn't given that, but this is more in general over the last 10+ years. We have not been a top side for 13 years, and why not?
I find this an odd take from you to be honest.
The biggest issue we’ve had in squad building and wasting money these post Fergie years has been giving too much responsibility to the manager to build a squad in his own image.
Every manager up until Amorim was given a smörgåsbord of their favourite players, and it started with that very first Summer and Fellaini.
LvG was allowed to bin Nani, Chica, Vida, Evra, Wellbeck, Evans and bring in the likes of Memphis, Blind, Rojo (because he had to have a left footed CB), Schweiny etc.
Mou carried it on with Zlatan, Pogba, Matic, Lukaku.
Then Ole, with Sancho, Maguire, AWB, Ronaldo.
Obviously we then went overboard on it when we had such belief in ETH.
And we finally stopped pre-Amorim, thank feck, because what all those years told us was that building for a specific manager before they’ve proven they are good enough long term to manage this club, is an incredibly expensive and idiotic enterprise. It left us in a constant state of needing a full rebuild after every sacking when the manager inevitably was proven to not be good enough.
Real Madrid, nor Barca, nor Bayern are so stupid, their managers are often almost ”plug & play”.
The duty of building a squad to compete should rest with the recruitment team and DoF, the duty of getting the best out of them lies with the head coach.
Now if a manager comes and wins few titles and the club feel he deserves more input, fair enough, but until then, you coach to the best of your ability with the squad built by the club.
Thankfully ignoring Amorim’s requests this Summer and bring in Lammens, Mbuemo appears to be paying of as a new manager simply steps in and coaches them to the best og his ability.
Last edited:
Surely we know the 'why not'. We have Glazers who don't give a sh@t about the club' have loaded it with debt and have sucked out a couple of billion. To compound that they have appointed a series of woefully unqualified CEOs to run the club who in turn have made a lot of poor managerial and other appointments (sporting/ technical directors). Hence we have the highest net spend over last decade but worst value for money. The jury is still out frankly on Ratcliffe as to whether he is any better, the next 6 months are massive for him.
It is certainly a paradox in football that at a club that appears to be obsessed with the manager's position, very little is expected of the man in charge. At other clubs, the man who gets the job must prove himself worthy of the position. At OT, there is a belief that the position will eventually create the (right) man. Thus, the bar gets lower and lower. It's not even limited to Amorim, he was just so bad that it got exacerbated. He came in, set up a run-of-the-mill system (OK, not the worst crime, but nothing special) and, at the face of failure, hid behind a rigid formation. Just above 30% win-rate, you say? That's the best he can do with the tools he's been given, so "get behind your manager". That's the thing, though. It's easy to throw everyone under the bus, call the squad the worst ever, demand (that's the word) more time and more than half a billion spent on his players. The hard part is to show the imagination required - when the going gets tough - to deal with the issues at hand, so that the overarching vision (the most important thing) can remain within sight. Otherwise, you become part of the problem.
No team, in any circumstance, needs to go through a torturous rough patch in order for you to improve and return to the height of English football. None whatsoever. Amorim used this waffle as a cover up for his own shortcomings, knowing that he doesn't have the coaching acumen to actually generate any level of meaningful success. Let me use another team that is having relatively good success on the pitch at current as an example.
Aston Villa hired Emery in Oct/Nov 2022 when they were sitting 16th/17th after Gerrard's awful performance in the first 11 fixtures. He inherited a team that consisted of Watkins, McGinn, a young Jacob Ramsey, Leon Bailey, Douglas Luiz and Lucas Digne.
In Emery's first half of season, he won 15 out of 25 matches and had them finish 7th and secured a Conference League spot, which gave them their first taste of European football in over a decade. He then signed a handful of players in his first window, players like Pau Torres, Amadou Onana and Moussa Diaby but other than that, the squad pretty much stayed the same going into his first full season.
His first full season comes to a close and he finished 4th and qualified for the UCL. Villa's first time since the 80's. This is largely with the same group of players he inherited from the disaster-class of Steven Gerrard by the way. Emery, due to his coaching prowess and expertise, managed to finish 4th in the Premier League, with players such as McGinn, Cash, Pau Torres, Konsa, Bailey etc. All players that before he took the job, would've been classed as just middle of the road, middle of the pack players in terms of ability.
My point is, the entire diatribe spouted from Amorim's mouth was always complete and utter nonsense. There does not have to be any form of suffering for your team to eventually reach their expected heights. It is a managers job to get the best out of his players and WIN football matches. That is the bottom line and always will be until the end of time (with regard to football). The fact that even now, to this day, there are some in this thread that are defending the "work" he did at our club is quite frankly astonishing. You're suffering from stockholm syndrome and you're not even aware.
Very little is expected of hipster managers who come in from foreign leagues with a fancy “philosophy”. However if you’re an ex legend of the club you better win every game while dominating possession and not giving any chances away or you’re not a “modern football coach”.
I doubt it. People and, to extend, the club were more than willing to lower the bar for Solskjaer when it was obvious he couldn't take the team further being a decent counter-attacking, Europa League level side. But it's true, with the "hipster" managers we tend to take the "overarching vision" for granted. We don't question it, but consider it a matter of implementation (money and time), instead, and it has cost us dearly. On the other hand, there's also danger in going headfirst to the other extreme and start believing that said vision isn't important in a managerial appointment.
Last edited:
Lower the bar? The run that got Ole the job was a run of 10 straight wins - something we hadn’t managed post Fergie up to that point.
Even his results of 14 wins out of 19 was a much higher standard than anyone else in their first 19 games post Fergie.
The situation he was fired for - being 7th on the table - is on par with where Amorim was this year and it is still being hailed as an “improvement” by his fans.
I loved Ole's interview. Would like if there was that kind of exit interview from every manager, would be classy way to end things. But of course with most of them it won't happen, Ole was already club legend and had history with the club so it was specific situation.
I couldn't care less what "Amorim fans" think. I made a point that i think was clear. Yes, the bar had been lowered during Solskjaer's tenure to the point where opposition fans were laughing at the club and were hoping for him to win just enough matches so that he can stay in the job. He provided a valuable service, picking up the pieces after Mourinho left a wasteland behind him. He wasn't a "hipster" manager, but he was a known quantity. Nothing he'd done prior, nothing he did afterward, and nothing he did during his time here indicated that he can take a team to the "next level". Others doing worse (with the blessings of both the club and a portion of the fan-base) doesn't make him the right-man for the job. Carrick is in a similar position. He's steadying the ship after the absolute crap Amorim served for 14 months. Hopefully, he'll do just as well and why not even better. But he has to show a bit more in terms of vision to be trusted with the next 200-300 million.
- Status