Ruben Amorim. Fired for being crap. Full stop. Just another addition for Amol as he loves it
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Don't sack Ole after he finished 2nd and 3rd because you know that's quite good.As opposed to what exactly?
The long term blind faith approach?
''Let's give this new guy 2-4 years to completely implement his philosophy/ideas/vision regardless of results.'' ''Oh well it didn't work out and we're still shit, let's hire someone else and give them 2-4 years as well. Hopefully it'll work out this time.''
10-15 years later....
''Bugger we're still shit, but any decade now we'll find the new Fergie....''
Don't sack Moyes 8 months after Fergie said 'Stand by your manager'
No, no sack sack sack until we hit the golden manager jackpot
Moyes is a mid table manager and always will be.
The year he joined United, the Everton side he previously managed finished higher than us in the league. Funnily enough, United finished the season in the league places that Moyes used to nestle in at with Everton.
Moyes is good at what he does, but nowhere near the level required of a Manchester United coach. Using him as an example is probably the worst thing you can do.
We didn't but then it went to shit anyway.
Moyes was a broken man for years, he was never turning it around at United.
Again as opposed to what?
Stand by our man for 3-5 years, then our next man for 3-5 years , then our next man after that for 3-5 years and so on for decades until we hit the Fergie mk2 jackpot?
How long you you think a coach needs to actually coach a functioning team capable of challenging for a title or let's be honest even top 4 consistently?
Jose, Ole and Ten Hag all had the best part of 3 years each. None of those experiments went anywhere.
Yes, that's literally how it works. That's what every club - hell, every sporting organization in the world - does.
Best manager in the history of the game wasn't special, he was just given time. Sums the whole thing up.
Did Kobbie take a shit in your letterbox or something??
Sporting sacked Amorim's successor in a matter of weeks and hired the guy who won them the league. I don't know why instead of that they didn't give the first guy a couple of years and transfer windows to implement his ideas and get his players.
What does this even mean? I swear this is not a real thing at any other club. Nobody but top, top clubs is really fully happy with their squad. Everybody needs changes and reinforcements. What if he was at a club that has to sell their best players? The way we treat managers is just ridiculous.
You would have wanted him sacked
How long did Fergie get? Where did we finish in those years? Ole came 3rd and 2nd and once that dropped he was gone.We didn't but then it went to shit anyway.
Moyes was a broken man for years, he was never turning it around at United.
Again as opposed to what?
Stand by our man for 3-5 years, then our next man for 3-5 years , then our next man after that for 3-5 years and so on for decades until we hit the Fergie mk2 jackpot?
How long you you think a coach needs to actually coach a functioning team capable of challenging for a title or let's be honest even top 4 consistently?
Jose, Ole and Ten Hag all had the best part of 3 years each. None of those experiments went anywhere.
Hey carry on with the firings. It's worked so far.
All I can say is we've tried your thing at least 5 times now. My thing hasn't been tried yet since Fergie. Give a manager 5 years. Klopp needed it. Arteta needed it. Fergie needed it. But Ole doesn't deserve it. Why? I guess we'll never know but I reckon we'd be far better off.
The great man’s first 14 months at United is absolute night & day to Amorim.
You’re embarrassing yourself here, first pissing on an academy lad and now claiming Fergie wasn’t special. You fell head over heels for the Portuguese fella didn’t you?
I'm making a point about long term thinking but take from it what you can
Well actually, Fergie needed less than a year to take us from 11th to genuine title challengers in his first full season.
Had a ridiculous 60% win rate in his first full season, averaging 2.07 ppg.
And then?
He did, still has a massive boner for the Portuguese fraud.
In three games, Carrick has made Amorim look like a joke.
As opposed to what, thousands of other managers who were given time and never achieved anything? Not only is this disrespectful to Fergie considering what he did achieve prior to joining but how do you not realize how ridiculous this argument is? Managers are given time when they deserve it, when they are showing something. You can't give every guy time in the hope he will be the next Ferguson, which is extremely unlikely to ever happen again. Every big club changes managers as soon as they see it's not working because that's what makes the most sense. The next manager does not need to be this messiah who will stay for 20 years.
Your point is stupid though. Fergie was Fergie, Klopp was Klopp.
Managers don’t become great because they get time, they earn that time.
Absolutely everything about Klopp’s time at Liverpool was pointing to drastic improvement, just as with SAF’s first 18 months.
And absolutely no manager in the history of the game has started so poorly as Amorim only to suddenly turn it around, it’s never happened, ever!
This is something I've noticed which is so strange. People have used signings to both defend and attack managers that have been here depending on who they like. There's no nuance or objectivity to it anymore. Like the poster saying "well Ole had to make due with McFred, if he had one good midfielder we'd have won the league". What he neglects to mention is that recruitment was very manager focused with personal scouts being used by our managers over the clubs scouts (which is well documented). If Ole wanted a midfielder he would have gotten one and he did sign two midfielders in Bruno and VDB. With VDB in particular, we signed him over Grealish due to our obsession with Sancho if everyone remembers. Grealish was available that summer for a reported 50 million and we spunked 30 on VDB instead. It's the same when Moyes vetoed Thiago, or when LVG vetoed Kroos, these were conscious decisions the managers made where we signed inferior players. Also, these weren't transfer like Semenyo where he rejected us either, we fully rejected better players to sign worse ones. That's why I'm glad that recruitment is being taken away from the manager as its not the 80's anymore, managers can't be scouts, coaches, etc.
Have a read above regarding what I said about Amorim and managers in general or don't and keep making insulting comments. Whatever suits
By coming 13th in his second full season? How did he manage that then? Do you actually know why Fergie survived that season?
Football has moved, and again what has Ole actually done, in fact has any previous manager went on to better things since they left?
Give time but to the right man
Absolutely yeah, he’d already proven he could vastly improve the players at his disposal and take United to their best league season in decades.
Within 18 months of taking the job he managed over United’s best league campaign since the 60’s man.
So yeah, that bought him time, obviously.
Stop embarrassing yourself man.
Its quite incredible that Amorim needed 10 league games to reach the 9 point mark when Carrick has picked up 9 in only 3 league games
If Ferguson managed United in the modern era he wouldn't have 11th and 13th place finishes so it's a bit of a moot point.
Yep, I can imagine you making the case for him after that 13th place season.
I'll tell you since you don't know. The reason Fergie kept the job was because Bobby Charlton pleaded with the board to give him time. Fergie asked the same of us when he left.
Most didn't heed his words
Ole is the only manager/head coach I’ve truly liked since Ferguson. I love counter attacking football, if the alternative is tippy tappy slow and methodical.
Ole was 3 signings away from being able to make it all happen. Bruno, Amad, AWB, Maguire were not bad signings. Ronaldo was his undoing, though, and money blown on guff like Telles, VdB, James, Sancho, plus the bad policy of signing short-term fixes like Cavani, Ronaldo, Varane, gave him a fecked up squad. Who was responsible for those transfers?
No Ronaldo, the Germany version of Sancho, add in a real finisher (Palmer?) and an Mbeumo, and Ole’s team would have been challenging. Ole could have brought in better coaches, too. I would much rather have persisted with Ole than in taking the detour through Carrick, Rangnick, Ten Hag (who initially sounded like the answer to our prayers), Ruud, Amorim, Fletcher, and Carrick again. We spent almost £500 million on players and contract payoffs since Ole. If we had better recruitment that money would have been enough to keep us in the mix. Worse, we literally hired someone whose entire approach and philosophy is antithetical to Manchester United. Ole at bare minimum understands what it means to wear the shirt.
A lot of “if’s”, and hindsight is 20/20, I know.
1.55 ppg is fecking dreadful.
Remember that dreadful final full season for ETH with a worse squad? Yeah, that was 1.58 ppg.
If you would look past your bias for Amorim for half a second you would realize what tripe this is. Klopp had Liverpool in the Europa League final in his first half season with a far far far worse team than Amorim has. He lost that final against Sevilla which were a far far far better team than the Tottenham we lost to. All the while Klopp had them playing a way better brand of football than anything we saw under Amorim. He also only lost 8 times in his first season compared to Amorim's 14 losses- again with a inferior squad.
Fergie finished his first half season with 8 losses and a 1.48 ppg. His second season we finished second with 2.03 ppg and a goal differential of +33 I might add, all the while completely revamping the club from top to bottom. Amorim finished his first half season with 14 losses, and a 1.0 ppg and before he got sacked had 6 losses and a 1.55 ppg. Fergie at his absolute worst season at United had a 1.26 ppg but won the FA cup which was a big deal at the time. The promise was always there though, especially when considering Fergie's past accomplishments.
Furthermore, I find it unbelievable that anybody who is a United fan would dare invoke Fergie's name to defend Amorim. It's such a damning indictment of the state of football clubs, fandom, and online forums that the likelihood is that your not actually a United fan but more an Amorim fan which is a sad state of affairs and really stems from the whole Messi and Ronaldo fandom that forged it's way into pop culture in the 2010's and has been a plague on the internet ever since.
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Well that’s never been confirmed one way or the other, we just know Bobby was a board member that gave his full backing to SAF and especially so that Winter.
And the reason wasn’t blind faith from Bobby, it’s because SAF had taken a side in 11th and within 18 months taken them to their best league season since the 60’s.
And he’d completely revamped the club from top to bottom. He’d proven already what he could do.
You are aware of the concept of 'credit in the bank', right? Amorim had none of that. No United legend (who didn't want to sabotage the club) would plead with the board to keep Amorim around after those disastrous 14 months. Unlike SAF, there was no evidence of him doing well in his first 14 months. Nor did any of his managerial principles align with the United DNA.
You were the same in the other thread about Amorim. Why can't you just admit your were wrong? He was a shit manager who couldn't string two wins together. He wasn't building shit. Just admit you haven't got a clue about what your talking about and let's all move on.
Counterattacking football is unsustainable and also how underdogs play.
That was also with what was probably the worst injury laden season I've ever seen. Yet Amorim was crying because he lost Maz, Mbuemo, and Amad during the AFCON. It's beyond laughable that Amorim has any fans at this club.
Wrong on both counts. Real Madrid played it for years as did many Italian top teams in the past.
Ole did try to evolve from it and could not.
Every single manager has been fired for the right reasons. The only one who could maybe have some complaint is Moyes, and even he deserved it.
Also every single one of them was sacked six-twelve months too late. Trying to paint us as a trigger happy sacking club, in a world where the likes of Chelsea/Madrid/Barca exist, is risible.
The point you seem to miss is Fergie earned time by showing what he could do.
Amorim did the opposite. What he said never translated to on the pitch.
Ferigie took us in a positive trajectory, Amorim a negative one. It's not that hard.
It is obvious that nothing will change your mind about Amorim, but thankfully our Board at last woke up and sacked him. When, or if he ever manages another team it will be interesting to see if their Board give him 5 years to achieve a result better than 13th.
I'll meet you halfway here. 1.55 would put us on 59 points, which would put us in the mix for Europe places the last 2 years.
I agree its not acceptable, but to say things were not getting better, isn't accurate.
59 points is one point less than ETH got when he finished 8th in his last full season with an injury ravaged squad
A decent post up until your last sentence. I'm suffering from Stockholm Syndrome because I think question marks needs to be asked over our owners selecting the managers they are? What? Did you quote the wrong poster, or completely misread my post?
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