No silence here, I've always given praise when due be it a manager or player and his subs changed the game for the better, and I'm glad he was able to bring on some quality at least. My initial post during that horrendous first half was highlighting his tenure not being good enough to far especially in the PL, which is what even Amorim himself alludes to, so I'm not sure why there's this hangup about those venting frustrations.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
No silence here, I've always given praise when due be it a manager or player and his subs changed the game for the better, and I'm glad he was able to bring on some quality at least. My initial post during that horrendous first half was highlighting his tenure not being good enough to far especially in the PL, which is what even Amorim himself alludes to, so I'm not sure why there's this hangup about those venting frustrations.
Im sorry... did you say Ten Hag had them playing competently? What were you watching under Ten Hag? Surely not the 20+ shots on goal against us?
Bore off mate, the Sun is shining and we’re in a European final. If you can’t enjoy this then I’m struggling to understand why you bother?
Instead of going round telling kids Santa doesn’t exist, suggest you spend the weekend reading Simonhch’s post repeatedly.
Have a great day!
There is no hang up, just the observation that some people are incredibly panicky and impatient. I have no idea what your halftime post was so maybe yours was balanced, who knows.
Re yesterday, that was always a game where we would be on the back foot initially as they went all out. The best thing a manager could do would be to soak up the pressure and try to catch them. If not for bad finishing we would have been leading at half time. In the end he guided us to killing them off pretty decisively. Beating a side we were meant to lose to 7-1 on aggregate. Amorim has done a very good job in the Europa League, that is not debatable.
The league is nowhere near good enough. Amorim has definitely made mistakes that played their part in that. He will he our manager next season so let's see what happens when he gets a couple of decent attackers and hopefully a keeper. Judging him too much at this stage is rash. Obviously if things dont improve significantly in the league next season then he will be replaced.
Christ, it's tiring seeing people call the 3-4-2-1 defensive / low block.
The thing is... whilst he has been really poor in the league, the one thing I like is he acknowledges it, the way he keeps saying in the PL we struggle badly.
I think we need a pre season with all our players available and work on this system. They all need to work on their passing
Meh, the excessive moaning continues. We had a 3 goal lead coming into this match, against a team that quite a few people in here thought would win against us, given the overall state of our team it's obvious that it's going to dictate a lot about our approach, especially considering the potential upside we have in front of us. Athletic were the ones that had to go forward, there was no reason whatsoever for us to start the match by pushing forward and giving them opportunities to hit us on the counter. It's not like we aren't fully capable of giving away daft goals and turning a 3 goal lead into an uncomfortable night with panic settling in. We still created the biggest chances and should've been ahead before they scored. Right approach 10/10 times in this scenario.
Doubt anyone is pretending that everything is perfect now.
Doubt anyone is pretending that everything is perfect now.
I agree with this. People want to celebrate the win and a final, great. Lets see how we do in that first as well. But lets not pretend that what Amorim has delivered, including the woeful first 70 minutes last night, has been anything other than poor. The odd passing move doesnt change the horrible defensive set up or the inability to control long periods of play. The telling description of his style as to why Liverpool passed him over was 'reactive', and that's what I see. I hope he proves me wrong, but even winning the Europa wont remove a lot of questions. Its particularly embarrassing to see all the posts calling out 'moaning' or where are all the HT posters now. Its pathetic. Standards have fallen so low we accept so much dross.
European final is great but the standard is low
Simon hochs post is incredibly optimistic. Hopefully some of those players will be good enough and I am confident about yoro and amad but I can picture dorgu in 2 to 3 years being much like dorgu now, zirkzee probably still won't have much end product etc
In reality we need a number of signings and we have to get them right.
It's reasonable to question whether to back a manager for specific types of players when he has performed very poorly in the league
Bore off and back the manager sounds a lot like what the ten hag backers were saying a year or so ago
I'm very impressed with both Bilbao games. It was a tough European opponent and reflects well on Amorims European pedigree.
Again though, he needs to work out fast why his system isn't cutting it in the Premier League.
Again though, he needs to work out fast why his system isn't cutting it in the Premier League.
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Yeah I don't think it makes a world of difference and he is just honest but it's better than the alternative. One thing that really irritated me about Ten Hag was him telling us we had just played well after we all watched us play crap with our own eyes.
Yeah I don't think it makes a world of difference and he is just honest but it's better than the alternative. One thing that really irritated me about Ten Hag was him telling us we had just played well after we all watched us play crap with our own eyes.
Win the final and he gets time! probably a full season no questions asked.
If he fumbles it then he will need to start the season fast! or else the vultures will be circling.
If he fumbles it then he will need to start the season fast! or else the vultures will be circling.
No he gets to Xmas, if there is not a clear improvement in results and performance he will gone. Radcliffe is not playing the long game. At that point he will have had a whole year to train the team, sign some players, and run through the usual chain of excuses trotted out on here. I hope he does well, but remain in the skeptical camp for now.
We need a sharp uptick in league results next season regardless of what happens in the final.
It's not like winning the Europa should buy him a season where we can finish 14th-16th again.
Did you used to hang out with a girl callled Julie at a bus stop back in the day?
The first half wasn't good. However, even then, it was a wrong pass by Maguire, a great strike by the Bilbao player, and an awful chip by Garnacho resulting us being behind in HT.
Taking a squad with a striker who can't control the ball and some major injuries (Licha) and for the latter part of the campaign Diallo, De Ligt, Dalot, Zrikzee plus perma unfit/injured players like Mount and Shaw, a bunch of young players as starters and subs, and a very questionable GK to the El final is a very positive development.
His job has been really hampered so far by our inbalanced squad and lack of fitness.
Taking a squad with a striker who can't control the ball and some major injuries (Licha) and for the latter part of the campaign Diallo, De Ligt, Dalot, Zrikzee plus perma unfit/injured players like Mount and Shaw, a bunch of young players as starters and subs, and a very questionable GK to the El final is a very positive development.
His job has been really hampered so far by our inbalanced squad and lack of fitness.
If we win the CL that’s another season easy.
What is the source of this Gordon army of Amorim haters? Gordon bennet!
There was nothing panicky about my post, and I couldn't see anyone else calling for the guy to be sacked or anything in fairness, just observations. My observation was that it would be helpful going into last night's game with more momentum, because losing game after game in the PL is never good, and I connected that with our first half performance. Think some posters here are way too sensitive over other posters outlooks and see every negative observation as "moaning". In that case Ruben himself is being the same highlighting that we should be a much better team at this stage when the fans were cheering his name. He knows it hasn't been good enough himself, and that's refreshing at least.
I am not a hater. I have watched united for over 40 years now and some of the stuff this season is pretty much the worst ever. And it was pretty bad at times under ETH. Standards have fallen such a long way, as have expectations. Winning Europa and getting into CL will help financially, but our PL performances are simply unacceptable. If you want to enjoy the win last night fine (and I did), but I am not going to pretend its all great or I can discern something in terms of emerging patterns of play just to make you feel better. Its called balance.
In the replies shows a still from United’s YouTube before the game where no plaster was there.
Do we really believe he’s going mental in the half time intervals?
THis is my last post on here for a while as its just silly on here. I agree with your post. I am not calling for him to be sacked either, but I expect he will be by Xmas unless we see genuine upturn in results and performance. All these top reds now calling everyone else moaners were pretty silent recently and during the first 70 minutes of the game.
The poster you replied to said yesterday was 'always a game where we would be on the back foot initially as they went all out'. You would think we are not United playing at home in a buzzing stadium against a fairly average Spanish team missing several of their key players. We were on the back foot as we were playing 7 defenders/ DMs and couldnt progress up the pitch nor control the ball for any period of time. We should be offering more than this, the history of this club demands it. At least momentum changed when we had more attackers on the pitch. I enjoyed the last 20 but doesnt mean I blindly ignore the first 70 minutes and pretend its all fine.
I've re-read my post, several times, and cannot find anywhere where I have said "bore off and back the Manager". So if that's what you've picked up, I think you got the wrong end of the stick. Apologies.
I am simply suggesting that, today of all days, there are reasons to enjoy following your team instead of being a massive fun sponge.
Have a great weekend, Matt!
Seeing posts like these has firmly made me believe that he could have relegated us with an 18th place finish and some of these fans would still laud him for not finishing dead last and how finishing even 18th with this squad is a miracle. Yes we are in an EL final and I am absolutely elated, but let us call it as it is - an awful season managed in the majority by a manager who has not shown anything to assume he can cut it in the PL.
Haven't we traditionally lost to average Spanish teams in the past? Isn't this particular average Spanish team 4th in La Liga? We just battered them. Slipping standards I guess.
We're 15th in the league, negative goal difference with -9, winning the Europa League is potentially the only highlight of the season. Lyon scored 4 at Old Trafford and Athletic are a better team. It's a bit silly to suggest that, given our overall circumstances, history should demand that we go all out attacking. Our approach was perfectly fine and we were unlucky to be behind at half time when we had plenty of chances to be ahead.
Yep. Game after game he looks so irritated on the touchline, shaking his head constantly. He comes out weekly and tells us we're shite in the league and that he himself has been shite. He tells us we're the worse United team in history (league wise). He tells us the Europa League wont save the season.....
yet if you do any of these things on here during/after/before games it is met with weird hostility by some. And then when a rare game is won, you get a load of weird posts from people thinking they've got one up. In a season where there is a genuinely good chance we could finish 17th and lose a European Final to Spurs, it is wild to see some of the posturing I've read.
3 finals in 3 years, that would be some clubs dream, we are where we are, let's relax and look forward to the final, hopefully win it, and worry about next season in August, btw Yoro looks a top class prospect
This is such tired old nonsense. If you have watched United for 40 years you'll know we've had one manager in that time who has won a league title. We went 27 years before him without one. That's how it goes, nobody dominates indefinitely. The period you watched was the most successful of any club, not just ours. It was a massive outlier.
We still want to win everything. It doesn't always pan out as expected. And as fallow periods go we're doing ok, we are still in the conversation for trophies. We've won as much in the last few years as we did in the whole of the 80s, and that was the team I fell in love with first.
I'm one who wants Amorim to get a proper chance but the above is just getting optimistic based on nothing but people being young.
Collyer being 20 doesn't equal a positive.
He and a few others on that list have got to show they belong at this level.
4 in 3 years I think?
There is a massive massive difference between acknowledging that we have been bad and when posters say... 5 at the back will never work, he will never succeed etc...
So when you say one up, its those fans who want to be right and come out with the I told you so.. if he doesn't work out.
He has said himself he needs to be a better manager, so its not like he is deluded into thinking he is doing some amazing job at the moment.
Can someone trace any stats on how much we created - xG, final third passes, possession in final third with Amorim VS ten hag ?
I hate how people say we are too defensive. I see 2 attacking wingbacks, 2 cams a deep lying playmaker with freedom to support attacks and 2 wide centre backs that often come to the centre of the pitch (Yoro does this really well, maguire not so but that place will be Heavens soon).
Generally the team attacks as a unit but our front 3 have been toothless. Garna is way behind in terms of composure, and let’s be frank Hojlund is nowhere near good with his final third play.
And let’s be clear on this - we used to play Palace and Brighton and get manhandled. We still don’t dominate but in this setup we resemble a coached team that can actually play modern football
Let’s see where this goes. One summer transfer period, hopefully CL income, pre season and maybe, just maybe we turn into a top 6 team next year as the squad matures and gains in experience
I hate how people say we are too defensive. I see 2 attacking wingbacks, 2 cams a deep lying playmaker with freedom to support attacks and 2 wide centre backs that often come to the centre of the pitch (Yoro does this really well, maguire not so but that place will be Heavens soon).
Generally the team attacks as a unit but our front 3 have been toothless. Garna is way behind in terms of composure, and let’s be frank Hojlund is nowhere near good with his final third play.
And let’s be clear on this - we used to play Palace and Brighton and get manhandled. We still don’t dominate but in this setup we resemble a coached team that can actually play modern football
Let’s see where this goes. One summer transfer period, hopefully CL income, pre season and maybe, just maybe we turn into a top 6 team next year as the squad matures and gains in experience
Yes Eth 4th to 14th and on for relegation in 2 seasons after spending 600m.
Spot on
I want him to be successful here.
Another TV coming out of Ruben's salary?
Whatever he did at half time it worked. Most of the team were half asleep in the first half, stupid individual errors, poor touches and sloppy passes everywhere. Second half we were switched on. Of course the subs changed the game too.
The first 20 minutes of the second half we were even worse than in first half. The subs and Bruno going deeper changed the game.Another TV coming out of Ruben's salary?
Whatever he did at half time it worked. Most of the team were half asleep in the first half, stupid individual errors, poor touches and sloppy passes everywhere. Second half we were switched on. Of course the subs changed the game too.
we were horrible in the second half until the subs came on, they put us under the kosh and we couldn't get out of our third.Another TV coming out of Ruben's salary?
Whatever he did at half time it worked. Most of the team were half asleep in the first half, stupid individual errors, poor touches and sloppy passes everywhere. Second half we were switched on. Of course the subs changed the game too.
The subs changed the game totally.